And this happened because?

[Z3R0]

Just so you all know, I'm not making a big deal out of my being banned, even though there was no relevant reason for said banning. I was banned on the following baseline:

You have been banned for the following reason:
I was asked by 3 Mods and an Admin to do this..it seems you are pissing people off,,,so take some time out.
Date the ban will be lifted: 01-16-2007, 09:00 PM

Like I said, I'm not making a big deal out of this, I just want to know something. How come no one pmed me about things like this, instead, running off to get Pam to do everything. I have never once since I have been here recieved a pm from a mod or an admin stating that I was ever doing something I wasn't supposed to do, or that I wasn't acting like a proper member of this fourm. Do to lack of said communication, I assumed I was doing good. I help new members out, I help out in the GFX section, I help keep Writing and Roleplaying alive, I have answered numerous questions and solved many problems people had on this site. I was unaware that doing such things would get me labeled a spammer/pointless poster by the administration of this site. Was wondering if I could get some insight here, I'm confused.

[L4E]

i dont really care much if u got banned or not, but its true i hardly ever see u doing wrong so this probably would deserve an explanation

(edit: i mean i dont care that You in particular got banned)

[Fuggle]

I was not one of said mods that asked of you to get banned, however I did lay it out to you pretty well on MSN.

[Z3R0]

Considering that I didn't stick around in that convo to read your little rant, I don't know what you layed out.

[Metalhead Steve]

Honestly, I was completely surprised when I saw you were banned. You are one of the nicest people on the forum, and I can't see you doing anything to get banned. I just got my first ban the other day because I got a little to passionate about an issue to lol.

[Jordanv78]

I guess they probably don't want to make the reason they banned you public. You should probably ask then over messenger.

[Z3R0]

I know the reason, it's posted up ahead. I just don't know why it was handled that way. Since when did anyone tell me I was pissing people off? No one has ever pmed me about anything like this. Would have been nice. The only person that Ever talked to me about such things, was Pam, on IM.

[Jordanv78]

Well I can't really fault their decision because Im not really sure what happend exactly. I do understand how you feel though. The communication should be better. I will say that I have always seen you as one of the more respectful and intelligent members on this forum. I haven't been around that long I guess...But thats the way I see it.

[Fuggle]

We told you what you needed to fix, however you seem to just laugh it off or just leave, never listening to what we tell you.

[Pamela]

I did send you a PM and you also PMd Froggy asking to be reduced in rank,as well as having all of your points removed.It was I that banned you...if you have complaints take them up with me.Froggy merely asked me if he should grant your wish,I said yes and I decided you needed a little time to cool off as you were quite angry and not really at your best.When I confronted you about some things on IM you really overreacted.My best advice is stop throwing temper tantrums and PMing an Admin when you are angry.Followed closely by listening to advice from others trying to help.

[Z3R0]

Oh, how you read my every emotion and thought through text messages. What a remarkable gift you have.

I assure you I wasn't throwing a temper tantrum. I just pmed Frog and asked if he could take my Vet status and post count away and I would distribute my points among the new users, which I did. Didn't happen, instead, he thought I was throwing a fit and said I needed to cool off. And I never overreacted to anything you said to me in IM. If anything, you overreated and I sat there and listened to you rant about how everyone begged you into the SM posititon that you never wanted, how they always seem to want you to do the dirty work. Anyway, the whole "take my status thing" was weeks before I got banned, almost a month I would say. And your going and volunteering me for mod positions I never wanted nor asked for, made me seem like a begger in everyones eyes.

@Fuggle: I never had anything to "laugh off". You call some drunken rambeling in an IM conversation laying it out and I never even saw what you posted because I left the convo. And I pretty much had no say in my "just leaving", I got banned. Pam told me she would take it off and I told her "No, I'm sure the mods are getting their giggles in and that it wasn't a big deal, there are more important things then sweating over petty furom drama". I just come here for the GFX, the RP, and the occasionl discussion. Now, seems that pretty much all of that is starting to wither away under the "Iron Fist of the Mods" as stated in Flea's version of the Flame Rules. I'm not looking to stir up trouble, I just want to come here, participate, and have fun. Hard to do nowdays it would seem.

[Metalhead Steve]

Seems like lately everyone has been having a problem of some sort with the mods, I just want to let you know your not alone. Even though my problem has been resolved and I had my ban, I felt very strongly at the time that what I was doing was right. War?

[Fuggle]

A.) I was not drunk at the time, and B.) Most of us have told you that there are things you need to stop doing and we tell you them, and you always leave or not do anything about it. Everyone on MSN notices this about you. You also saw what I wrote to you, because you said ok I'm leaving then or something like that after you saw it. When Pam made her little rant to you about ways you need to change you tried making jokes out of it. So yes, you do Laugh things off as if we are doing this to waste our breath (Or energy from typing? Idk what it translates to online).

[Pamela]

No wars *spanks Metalhead*...rant away, especially you Zerokool....it helps everyone understand the situation better. Your time frame is a bit off but w/e....go ahead...throw this temper tantrum. It obviously upset you,for you to post a thread about it...how can you say otherwise? You told me about a bazillion times you were tired of this forum and everyone here was just imature assholes.You told me you were quiting and did not care if you EVER came back. So a vacation to cool off should not have been a problem.You are also correct I do not like this job...but I damn well do it to my best ability.

[Z3R0]

Hmmm...I can assuradly say your defenition of "best" is twisted and deranged. You think this I made this thread to "act out" or "throw a temper tantrum". Guess what, wrong again. I made it to figure out why I was banned. What rules did I break? As far as I can tell, there are about three people, all staff, who seem to notice these things. The members that come here all the time, say I benefit the site, am friendly, and hardly ever do anything wrong. A bit strange isn't it? Sometimes I stand up to staff who are getting unruly, yes. Staff aren't special, they're users with forum editing abilities. Guess what, there are millions of forums out there, with lots of people in staff positions. Some people are cut out for it, some aren't. Some do it to help the site(s), so do it out of a need to feel superior to others. For instance, users here are afraid to speak their minds for fear of the "Iron Fist of the Mods" coming down from the sky and pressing the warn/ban button. You say it isn't a mods job to be liked, I dissagree. How do you keep users coming to the site if you act like an ass all the time and throw your title around all the time? Staff is supposed to be there to help, not advance to a tyranical sort of dissposition in the site. IMO, mods like Jedi are doing an Excellent job. I forget that Jedi is even staff at times, because he doesn't act like he's been put in a position of power, he acts like a user, who just does what he has to do, but nicely. When I said I have never been contacted about things I did wrong, I lied, Jedi was the only one it seems to ev ever do such a thing, on a few occasions. So, why do you feel it is necessary to try to limit the rights/privaliges of the users on this site. Basicly, it looks like when someone does something that you don't like, just because you don't like it not because it is wrong, you don't waste time with talk, your first instinct seems to be, *ban*. And why did I get banned? The reason above states for pissing people off. Well, I thought staff was not supposed to let personal feelings get in the way of their jobs? What happened to the neutral aspect of modding? Basicly, certain members of staff, get on user's cases about rules, and then turn around and contradict themselves.

@ Fuggle:

It's not like the only thing I was doing was sitting there staring at an instant message convo for hours, I had other stuff to do. I was closing out of all the windows I had open and was getting ready to call it a night at about 12:30. I typed a quick goodbye as my other windows were closing and signed out. I was tired, had class at 8 a.m and had to get up at 5:30 am. So, if you thought I was shrugging you off, sorry, but I really didn't see what you typed. Anyway, I don't seem to remember you or any other staff other than Pam talking to me about the current issues where the "little band of communists that could", were discussing me. And anytime I was in a im convo with you, you never tried to resolve or explain any issue, you just flamed me. That's a really proper and mature way to handle the situation, huh? And I don't have a problem with taking advice, I have listened and taken advice from Jedi on things to and not to do, Pam on the proper way to deal with assholes on the site (meaning don't flmae them, tell a mod, ect.), and Frog, 10 Man, and the others of the GFX crew on how to improve my art. I have opened ears to all the advice and have improved in all of these aspects. Your form of advice, as it has been represented in IM and post, seems to be a "my way or the highway" type approach. Well, your way may not necessarily be the right way, or the most justified. Fact is, if I feel I am being wronged or cheated, or that staff is being abussive of there privelages (which happens everywhere btw) I think it is right to make a stand and try to resolve the issue. I certainly don't do it by flamming staff or undermining them, nor impersinating them. I try to do it by talking to them, yet, I get the cold shoulder, my pm's go unanswered, I get blocked from IM, ect. So, shall we try to resolve this situation through proper, mature, and relavent conversation? What are the things that have pissed staff off?

Note: this is not some form of retaliating because of my ban, that is unimportant. This is an attempt to try to resolve the many issues and dramatic occurances going on in this site. I am not lashing out, or throwing a fit, I'm just letting you know how I percieve things according to the recent occurance of events. I would rather hope this can be worked out in a delagtive, calm, and sensible way rather then passing insults and accusations back and forth like children would. I will listen to everyone with open ears but I expect the same treatment to be given to me. I ask that the members of this site take part in this discussion if they feel the need, because really, this isn't about me, it's about this site.

[Mathalamus]

ill sum my opinion in a couple words:

The mods can do whatever they want, and dont cry cause they break the rules

[Metalhead Steve]

You make very valid points and my beef was for the same reason, I felt I went about my problem the wrong way. I have since seen a few things I may disagree with but I have stayed silent. Other than that all is well for me. I want to hear more of ZK's issues because he seems like he may have some solid points up his sleeve.

also... Use paragraphs man, that shit was hard to read.

[Jordanv78]

I could not agree more with the fear comment of being banned/warned Zero, I actually had a long post conversation with mods in another thread about this a few days back. I think that they realize what we are trying to say a little bit better now. For now I am just going to sit back and see what changes are made.

[Pamela]

Deranged huh? This is interesting to hear/read.Is it true or not you told me you could give a shit less about this site and never intended to come back?Be honest because I have the chat log....and this IS a temper tantrum. Venting your feelings is fine...but if you do NOT like the site..as you have often said...then leave it. This is my best *deranged advice*

If it is your objective to help this be a better site,then inflamitory remarks is not the avenue to explore.I would suggest logic and reason as an alternative method.

[FrogMan]

Well guys I can't see these power hungry mods your are talking about????

Everytime a mod goes overboard(and its only the new ones) I talk to them.

Show me some examples of some power abuse... maybe I can explain them to you.

I mean you guys ask for threads to be re-opened I re-open them, you guys wan't to rant about the mods and I say go ahead.

I think maybe you guys are getting upset because the mods are actually defending the decisions.