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Hitler - SpoonMan999 - 09-26-2005
I would like to continue this discussion a bit from the whole Nazi
Quote:flag ordeal. Not the discussion about the flag of course but the discussion on Hitler and Nazi Germany.
You can find the old discussion here if you want to get caught up: http://www.d2sector.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23408
Ok, I need to comment on this post:
FraterPerduraboo Wrote:Hitler certainly wasn't a moron. Not only was he a very intelligent person, but also a very eloquent and charismatic speaker and a top-grade general. His inputs to operations "Blitzkrieg" and "Barbarossa" were invaluable and Germany would never have been able to get as far as it did without him. Yes, Germany did have superior technology and training, but wouldn't even a decently intelligence person do that to his army before taking on entire Europe? The reason for why Hitler lost was because he was literally taking on the entire Soviet Union, the United States and various other countries. Germany saw fighting on every single front, and as did the Roman Empire, Hitler finally fell because of overexpansion. There was no way that he could have defended all those fronts with the German economic output at the time, not even with the masses of all the foreign volonteers.
Ok, first off Hitler was forunate to have a staff of excellent strategists and he himself just chose which ones would be the quickest. He was not in fact this glorious general you claim him to be.
Secondly, Hitler sent the best of his staff, Erwin Rommel, to Africa and refused to continue sending supplies to him. So not only did he ship off his best general to a desert, simply because Rommel disagreed with one of Hitler's decisions, but he also doomed him to fail.
Thirdly, Hitler had to fight on all fronts because he violated his non-agression pact with Stalin. If he had taken out Britain and America first we would all probably be speaking German right now. All he had to do was wait till he took out the others and the russians would have been screwed. Also, Hitler was a bit of a ***** with those pesky supplies again and many of his men suffered greatly in the cold and his army was much less proficient.
Fourth, yes he was a motivational speaker but you can thank his ascension to the loss in WW I. Hitler found a way to blame the Jews and Gypsies and everyone that he hated in order to gain the favor of the people. The Nazi party was originally just a bunch of guys that met up and talked about how much that hate people really. It wasn't until after their loss in WW I that Hitler really got out there and gave the Germans somebody to blame for their embarassment. The whole "It wasn't our fault! It was the Jews!" idea was a very favorable one for the Germans.
Thank you and good night. Or afternoon...
Hitler - hanging_out76 - 09-26-2005
hitlar may or may not have bin all that. all we realy know is that he was a mass murder for fun. and meany things contributed to his loss. if japan had not attacked us at perl harbor we would not have got invalved. and japan and hitlar would have take'n over every thing but noth central and south america. at that point we would not have bin able to find them off. he was a crazy f****er for sure and rather it was his or his men that gave him the great ( and yes i do say great ) stratigy he very well could have take'n over the world. was hitlar right in his conquest for the altimate power, well thats a nother topic all together, but he sure did try like hell didnt he
Hitler - Yawgy - 09-26-2005
hanging_out76 Wrote:hitlar may or may not have bin all that. all we realy know is that he was a mass murder for fun. and meany things contributed to his loss. if japan had not attacked us at perl harbor we would not have got invalved. and japan and hitlar would have take'n over every thing but noth central and south america. at that point we would not have bin able to find them off. he was a crazy f****er for sure and rather it was his or his men that gave him the great ( and yes i do say great ) stratigy he very well could have take'n over the world. was hitlar right in his conquest for the altimate power, well thats a nother topic all together, but he sure did try like hell didnt he
Wow...your spelling and grammar make even Hitler look good.
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~Yawgy
Hitler - TroGdoR - 09-26-2005
SpoonMan999 Wrote:Thirdly, Hitler had to fight on all fronts because he violated his non-agression pact with Stalin. If he had taken out Britain and America first we would all probably be speaking German right now. All he had to do was wait till he took out the others and the russians would have been screwed. Also, Hitler was a bit of a ***** with those pesky supplies again and many of his men suffered greatly in the cold and his army was much less proficient.Come on Spoony. First of all, you are speculating with your third point...Could Hitler and Nazi Germany have beaten the U.S.? Let's not get out of hand on that one. Even if Stalin and Hitler kept to an agreement, the U.S. should not be underestimated in this discussion.
Fourth, yes he was a motivational speaker but you can thank his ascension to the loss in WW I. Hitler found a way to blame the Jews and Gypsies and everyone that he hated in order to gain the favor of the people. The Nazi party was originally just a bunch of guys that met up and talked about how much that hate people really. It wasn't until after their loss in WW I that Hitler really got out there and gave the Germans somebody to blame for their embarassment. The whole "It wasn't our fault! It was the Jews!" idea was a very favorable one for the Germans.
Thank you and good night. Or afternoon...
It wasn't some magic conjured up by Hitler that was the reason why Germans hated and killed Jews. Europe was and still is VERY VERY VERY anti-semetic. Plain and simple explanation. Jews had been blamed for the Black Plague, the killing of Christ, the loss in WWI, the depression that followed...the list continues. And most of Europe believed those lies.
Hitler - SpoonMan999 - 09-26-2005
I didn't say it was magic. He used that prejudice to come to power. I think it's kind of a screwed up way of voting, "Hmm this guy claims he can rebuild our economy but this guy hates Jews. Who needs economy if we get to kill some Jews?"
Also Trog, if he were able to turn the pact into an alliance and we had to fight Japan, Germany, and Russia we would have been screwed.
Hitler - L4E - 09-26-2005
Quote: Ok, first off Hitler was forunate to have a staff of excellent strategists and he himself just chose which ones would be the quickest. He was not in fact this glorious general you claim him to be.
Secondly, Hitler sent the best of his staff, Erwin Rommel, to Africa and refused to continue sending supplies to him. So not only did he ship off his best general to a desert, simply because Rommel disagreed with one of Hitler's decisions, but he also doomed him to fail.
Thirdly, Hitler had to fight on all fronts because he violated his non-agression pact with Stalin. If he had taken out Britain and America first we would all probably be speaking German right now. All he had to do was wait till he took out the others and the russians would have been screwed. Also, Hitler was a bit of a ***** with those pesky supplies again and many of his men suffered greatly in the cold and his army was much less proficient.
Fourth, yes he was a motivational speaker but you can thank his ascension to the loss in WW I. Hitler found a way to blame the Jews and Gypsies and everyone that he hated in order to gain the favor of the people. The Nazi party was originally just a bunch of guys that met up and talked about how much that hate people really. It wasn't until after their loss in WW I that Hitler really got out there and gave the Germans somebody to blame for their embarassment. The whole "It wasn't our fault! It was the Jews!" idea was a very favorable one for the Germans.
ur sources??
all u do is watch some hitler movie made by a jew, read some hitler books written by jews, and comment with that.
hitler shouldnt have killed all those people, but ur makin it seem like he was just an idiot who wanted to kill some jews
Hitler - corymann1 - 09-26-2005
well, from how i know the story thats what he was lol
Hitler - [Ghost] - 09-26-2005
link_4_ever Wrote:ur sources??
all u do is watch some hitler movie made by a jew, read some hitler books written by jews, and comment with that.
hitler shouldnt have killed all those people, but ur makin it seem like he was just an idiot who wanted to kill some jews
Your makeing it seem like you only have a grade 4 education. Don't try to prove a point and use the abbrivation "u". If you're too lazy or what ever your exuse is too not to hit 2 more keys, don't join in this.
About what you said and not your spelling and grammar. Hitler was an idiot who just wanted to kill some jews and take over the world. The KKK is here because of Hitler, so are neo-nazis.
Hitler - Kosake666 - 09-26-2005
lol, another fight about hitler. I seem to run into these quite often. I am 50% german, I know the history, and the people.
1.) Yes, they are anti-semitic, for the most part
2.) Here are the 2 main reasons that he chose the jews to die :
1: Hitler was VERY christian... and the jews my HISTORICAL intentions, did kill jesus. Biblical, well, seems to agree.
2: Long time ago, jewish docters refused to help saves his mothers life... anyone would bear a grudge against that
3.) Flat out, had germany formed more aliances with other nations, and found a way (which they could have) to make the hostility treaty work to there favor, we would all be speaking german and thanking hitler for his excelent work.
4.) I agree with death. If you cant bear to use correct grammer in here, a serious discussion, get out and go play diablo some more, learn to type at some point, then we may allow you back.
5.) kthanksbye
~*Kosake*~
Hitler - L4E - 09-26-2005
death U make it sound like U never used U instead of you.
Ur just giving pointless arguments with nothing to sustain them. I, for one, have never seen a hitler book in a library that wasn't written by a jew author, strangely enough.
kosake, U cannot use good grammar either, e.i. cant, without '
so take your advice and get out
Hitler - [Ghost] - 09-26-2005
Your right, I did use "u" at one point. Given I was 10-12 at the time. At least I figured out how stupid it was and changed.
About the Jewish people making books and movies. They are just showing how bad he was. I'm sorry if you wouldn't write about surviving one of the worst events in history ever. Hitler tortured innocent people.
Just to prove you wrong, http://print.google.com/print?id=q3kGSciS6WsC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=hitler&prev=http://print.google.com/print%3Flr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dhitler%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40&sig=Xpiugo1rgl2lZu_yt07SqTgyPvc
it’s a book, written by a non-Jew. Written by D.ick Geary. Geary is an Irish last name.
Hitler - Kosake666 - 09-26-2005
that, was quite the lame arguement. Link, go to hell. Nobody has perfect grammer or spelling all of the time, or even most of the time. Just so you know, it is "i.e." not "e.i." Just one example of how you should check your own work before you fail at checking some one else's.
~Pwned
Hitler - L4E - 09-26-2005
Quote: Nobody has perfect grammer or spelling all of the time
well why were u flaming at me then u moron, wait hipocryte would be a more proper word.
and I do agree hitler did bad things, I disagree that u say he was just an idiot
that idio Wrote:~Pwned
Hitler - TroGdoR - 09-26-2005
"Idiot" is not the word. The man was a genius when it came to using propaganda to leash together most of Germany. He was a "homicidal maniac". He was a sick man. He was very disturbed. And link......Jewish doctors refused to save his mother? Uh....no way...that's not what happened nor is that a good reason either way. He lived next to many Jews when he was a poor, young Austrian. And those Jewish neighbors fed him on nights when his own parents couldn't put food on the table. He was sick, disturbed, and evil. He deserved worse than death.
Hitler - xDBD - 09-26-2005
Misinformation is the most rampant and abundant beauty in this whole thread.
History lessons, people.. Literature, comprehension.
Hitler - TroGdoR - 09-26-2005
You won't find it. This is not a website dedicated to education. Nor is it one dedicated to grammar. History, people is always subjective...simply because it comes from Human beings. However we all must learn to scientifically eliminate positions of people that are utterly outrageous.
Hitler - Tap - 09-26-2005
it seems as if im not the only one intriqued by hitler
oh, and rommel pwns
Hitler - SpoonMan999 - 09-26-2005
I would just like to know if any of the facts I stated are wrong? Trog you always seem to catch my errors was I wrong in any of my facts? You may think I was wrong in that Hitler could have won but not asking about my theories right now.
Hitler - TroGdoR - 09-26-2005
Spoony, the only problem I had with your facts was that they were all speculations. Looking back, Rommel was a huge success in Africa. You had both the British and American forces clearly outnumbering him. It took a long long long time for the Allied forces to move Germany out of North Africa. About 2-3 years in fact. Rommel was able to withstand enormous pressure from the Allies and still hold his ground with a damaged supply route. That's right, Hitler didn't intend on having Rommel in North Africa w/ no supplies. The British and Americans were able to close the routes off. Rommel was trapped in Africa and it was inevitable that he would lose. But it took a tremendous effort to beat the Germans there.
And the fact that Germany could have won the war w/out Russia...well first off, Hitler hated the Slavs slightly less than he hated the Jews. 20 million Russians were killed by German troops. He was planing on enslaving every single Slavic person, and then turning Russia into giant sections of farmland. Could Hitler have held off and not attacked Russia until after he defeated the British and American front? There were no indications that he would destroy the British/U.S. front. He took a calculated measure by attacking Russia and made a mistake. But either way, there was no guarantee that a British/U.S. front would fail...especially with the knowledge that the Atomic weapon was originally developed by the U.S. in order to attack Germany...a tip from Einstein made the U.S. hurry their asses up in order to build such a weapon
A couple of Nukes hitting German cities might have turned the war in the U.S./ British favor even if Hitler were making major advances in Western Europe. But the problem is Spoony, we can only say "What if?" and that is just not good enough to state as a fact.
Hitler - SpoonMan999 - 09-26-2005
Personally I think him turning on the Russians was Hitler's biggest mistake. I did forget about the atomic bomb though, so yeah I have to agree in the end he still would have lost.