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are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Japo - 08-17-2008
Kellard Wrote:This thread shows how f'd up the world is today. People think it's fine, of no consequence, what they do to their bodies.
oh cmon,
the worlds f'd up? if it was, the world would have ended already
smoking has existed since the begining of civilization
and were arguing of something thats bad for you long term period
and what i do to my body is not any of your business, were all gonna die eventually, alot sooner than we all think.
were gonna die, and kaze, all you can do with your life right now is argue about grass? cmon dude, you dont wanna try? fine, stop acting as if you know everything, why do you care so bad, theres no peer pressure or any of that crap
seriously, just think about it.... Why do you Care!?
there will always be people for and against everything in this world
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - BrioCloud - 08-17-2008
For the same reason why you care that I care that smoking is bad for you. Or whatever the reason why you have posted.
I don't know why you think I think I know more. When xDBD and you guys were the only one that threw insults at me stating I am the one ignorant.
I have never insulted anybody on the personal level in this thread, yet insults have been constantly thrown at me.
I don't know anything, I'm uneducated, underage, ignorant and don't know how to use Google remember? And I admitted it. I'm tired of getting sidetracked when the kitchen gets hot and go off topic by attacking me personally. Lets discuss before the thread gets closed.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Japo - 08-17-2008
KazeCloud Wrote:Why do you care that I care that smoking is bad for you. I don't know why you think I think I know more. When xDBD and you guys were the only one that threw insults at me stating I am ignorant.
i care because Your the one whos strongly fighting back,
youve argued for 5 pages already, i care because you havent answered my question of why the hell you still try fighting about this, i care becuase you do think more, you have been trying to prove something when you have no experience on the matter and can only use anothers sources and point of views
you cant know anything without knowing both sides of the coin
just stop trying, im not saying your stupid or anything
but your fighting a losing battle, in reality, you only know what youve read and heard
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - BrioCloud - 08-17-2008
Japo Wrote:i care because Your the one whos strongly fighting back,
youve argued for 5 pages already, i care because you havent answered my question of why the hell you still try fighting about this, i care becuase you do think more, you have been trying to prove something when you have no experience on the matter and can only use anothers sources and point of views
you cant know anything without knowing both sides of the coin
just stop trying, im not saying your stupid or anything
but your fighting a losing battle, in reality, you only know what youve read and heard
Oh ohkay. I care because I stated my opinion and my opinion was disputed. I then tried to support my opinion in a fashionably manner even though insults were pummeled towards me.
Clearly a person who believes smoking is bad will not try to smoke before making an assumption. That would be a bit ironic. I'm trying to maintain a good health, I'm not going to risk taking it.
Its like my analogy. If a group of people says a particular food has food poisoning while another group says it does not. I'm really not going to try for myself and risk the pain. I might as well not take it.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Japo - 08-17-2008
KazeCloud Wrote:O
Its like my analogy. If a group of people says a particular food has food poisoning while another group says it does not. I'm really not going to try for myself and risk the pain. I might as well not take it.
wtf dude, your trying to compare mangos with raspberries
it just doesnt work that way and that analogy is so flawed.
and your gonna hurt yourself? with a blunt?
you hurt yourself more by going to mcdonalds
i understad your trying to state your opinion, with manners and whatnot
but everything your saying and believing is just ridiculous, 20 joints wont do anything to you and your in no position to say other wise because you dont have firsthand experience
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Nethran - 08-17-2008
Japo Wrote:wtf dude, your trying to compare mangos with raspberries
Raspberries are better than mangos.
COMPARISON MADE!
/ownage
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Japo - 08-17-2008
Kellard Wrote:Raspberries are better than mangos.
COMPARISON MADE!
/ownage
oh man i cant compare them man
theyre both soooooooooooooooo good
my mango tree arent those mangos that are hairy on the seed
its pure sweetness with none of those little hairs
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - BrioCloud - 08-17-2008
Japo Wrote:wtf dude, your trying to compare mangos with raspberries
it just doesnt work that way and that analogy is so flawed.
and your gonna hurt yourself? with a blunt?
you hurt yourself more by going to mcdonalds
i understad your trying to state your opinion, with manners and whatnot
but everything your saying and believing is just ridiculous, 20 joints wont do anything to you and your in no position to say other wise because you dont have firsthand experience
I don't know why everything I say is ridiculous. You made it sound ike I have stated 20 joints will hurt you. I didn't know we were arguing about what is the breakpoint until MJ isn't safe. I stated MJ is harmful and cited many websites which proved AND disproved my theory.
I then applied my critical thinking skills.
Maybe you didn't catch what was under the analogy in my previous post, but maybe you just accidentally skipped it when reading. Under my food poison analogy I stated:
If a group of researchers says MJ is harmful to your body, while another group says it is not. I don't think I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Determinado - 08-17-2008
Guys, just like any kind of tobacco, there's a certain, sometimes silly, amount of damage to your body.
There's no need to see drugs as good thing or a bad thing, the reason the state should ban a drug is because of the potential damage it can do. MJ isn't really the kind of drug that can do significant damage, or at least, not significant compared to the massive damage alcohol can do.
It's drugs like mushrooms that can lead to coma and dead that need to be banned and be illegal, it's not that I want to stop people from taking it, it's that I think it's the responsibility of the society to make people think twice before using it. After all the effects and damage are completely different for every person that uses it.
If you agree that losing control of yourself is a bad thing, then alcohol is a lot more dangerous, obviously.
In the Netherlands they have a tv show called 'Spuiten en slikken' about sex & drugs, instead of saying it's good or bad, they have their host take another drug every show. He does some medical tests to ensure the drug isn't dangerous for him, and then he talks with an experienced user and takes the drug himself. After seeing some of the effects on camera, he tells you, from a users point of view what the benefits of the drug are and what the negative points are.
Every drug has its benefits, else no one would take them.
The show gives a good idea about how the benefits compare to the dangers (and possibly the morning-after headaches), and leaves the choice to take it or not.
If something is dangerous but accepted in society, it should not be banned and hunted. Instead citizens should be schooled about the effects and it should be available in a safe environment, take a look at the Netherlands, once again.
MJ makes you slow while the effect lasts, and I've found this very anoying when I was the only one not taking MJ in my exband, after their smoke in the middel of the rehersals the tempo accuracy went straight down... Very anoying.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - xDBD - 08-18-2008
>It's drugs like mushrooms that can lead to coma and dead that need to be banned and be illegal
oh my ***...
look, guys, calling you guys ignorant is NOT an insult or a flame. kaze, i've never flamed you in a serious way itt (really nobody has been flamed by me ITT). you guys just drop bombs like "cannabis is a DANGEROUS drug," and "drugs like mushrooms that can lead to coma and death..."
what some of you guys are saying is just not true
>If a group of researchers says MJ is harmful to your body, while another group says it is not. I don't think I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt.
personal testimony isn't enough? 90% of the studies funded that concluded things like herb and MDMA were 'bad,' were government funded. it's amazing that most all the studies on drugs like herbage and MDMA conducted outside of the USA concluded that the substances aren't nearly as dangerous as we had originally determined.
notice a link?
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - BrioCloud - 08-18-2008
xDBD Wrote:>It's drugs like mushrooms that can lead to coma and dead that need to be banned and be illegal
oh my ***...
look, guys, calling you guys ignorant is NOT an insult or a flame. kaze, i've never flamed you in a serious way itt (really nobody has been flamed by me ITT). you guys just drop bombs like "cannabis is a DANGEROUS drug," and "drugs like mushrooms that can lead to coma and death..."
what some of you guys are saying is just not true
>If a group of researchers says MJ is harmful to your body, while another group says it is not. I don't think I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt.
personal testimony isn't enough? 90% of the studies funded that concluded things like herb and MDMA were 'bad,' were government funded. it's amazing that most all the studies on drugs like herbage and MDMA conducted outside of the USA concluded that the substances aren't nearly as dangerous as we had originally determined.
notice a link?
Then I guess this is where the argument stops. I believe in the government's funded research and you don't. And we all know we can't successfully argue about government conspiracy.
I fully believe in the credibility of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration on this website.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuan*a.html (Take away the * in MJ.)
And if you don't. It all leads to if we believe in government or not. We can talk about conspiracy like 9/11 and such. But we all know the argument will not go anywhere.
Its alright xDBD. Then I apologize for saying that when you called me ignorant it was meant in an insulting way.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Nethran - 08-18-2008
In regards to cigarettes, I read this crazy article in National Geographic a few weeks ago where they threw out some statistics. It was like.. 1 in 5 adults in the US smoke, and the next line said that 1 in 5 deaths in the US are caused by the effects of smoking. Another one said that only 5% of people that have smoked and quit have stayed smoke-free for 12 months at a time.
If it were up to me, I would classify them as a drug and make them illegal.
There are some things people shouldn't be allowed to do to themselves, which does happen to include excessive fast food consumption.Oh, and I know this was said forever ago, but I forgot to mention it. "Mj" *is* a gateway drug, regardless of what a lot of you think.
I had a friend back in high school that played football and started going to parties with his team mates after games. That's when he started smoking ****, because a lot of his team mates did. It was after that that some of them introduced him to harder drugs.I think people don't think it's a big deal to smoke ****, and then someone they know that smokes **** also does something else and wants them to try it because it has a stronger high or whatever. Or they decide to take it because of that. You can't tell me that doesn't happen a lot. I wouldn't believe you if you did. And you can't tell me that most people would have tried whatever it was anyway if they didn't start smoking **** first. I think it minimizes the action if you've already been getting high.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Determinado - 08-18-2008
Hmm I looked up about mushrooms and seems the danger is really low, low-to-no danger. I guess the mate a friend told me about (someone who got into a coma after taking mushrooms) must have forgotten telling me about his bad shape before taking them, other illnesses or mixing with other drugs.
I'm getting more interested in paddos now ;-)
As for government conspiracy, most of the time it does lead to somewhere. Zeitgeist and september clues, along with the report of a good 90 pages include very detailed and persuading arguments. The proof that the WTC towers were blown up by professionals, but leaves the question open to who did this and why.
The media controls the people's liberal thinking, and there's propably more interesting information to gather in a pub than at certain news channels... Al Jazeera reported different about the Afghanistan/Iraq war than CNN, and I'm not talking about how Al Jazeera was influenced by politics...
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Aemaeth - 08-18-2008
I don't even know where to start with the mis-information in this thread.
My stance is, i do drugs.
whoop de ****ing doo.
No one drug is going to be completely safe, and users who think that it's fine and they aren't hurting themselves frankly annoy me.
At least know the risks is my standpoint.
From having the knoweldge about the substances i use, and that my friends use, i've been able to save lives and stop people from ****ing themselves over.
Here's one for you aswell.
Some of the compunds in THC are known to inhibit cancer cells from metastasizing.
Maurijauna may also releive internal eye pressure form glaucoma, control nausea in cancer patients and can combat severe weight loss in AIDS patients.
But who ever cares to mention these reports when informing people about the drug?
Also, With Maurijauna, you aren't just using a chemical that ****s you up.
All it does is excite the region that produces Endocannobinoids.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - BrioCloud - 08-18-2008
Aemaeth Wrote:I don't even know where to start with the mis-information in this thread.
My stance is, i do drugs.
whoop de ****ing doo.
No one drug is going to be completely safe, and users who think that it's fine and they aren't hurting themselves frankly annoy me.
At least know the risks is my standpoint.
From having the knoweldge about the substances i use, and that my friends use, i've been able to save lives and stop people from ****ing themselves over.
Here's one for you aswell.
Some of the compunds in THC are known to inhibit cancer cells from metastasizing.
Maurijauna may also releive internal eye pressure form glaucoma, control nausea in cancer patients and can combat severe weight loss in AIDS patients.
But who ever cares to mention these reports when informing people about the drug?
Also, With Maurijauna, you aren't just using a chemical that ****s you up.
All it does is excite the region that produces Endocannobinoids.
Maybe you missed it. But I have stated that there are a host of factors where the use MJ is justified. Such as for medical reasons like chronic pain. But far too many people uses and abuses MJ with no medical condition, rather than using it for medical purposes.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - xDBD - 08-18-2008
what difference does it make why people smoke ****? just because you may not be in dire medical need of it doesn't mean it's bad or something
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - ominousferret11 - 08-18-2008
Kellard, there is a ****ing reason why the media is so good at what it does. people like you see something and fthink "oh, but this is the case with EVERYONE". i'm willing to guess that you believe the tomatoes caused the problem, too.
i'll bet what you didn't realize is that p0t doesnt ****ing talk. it didn't tell your silly little friend to smoke him, the drug itself is not a gateway drug... your friend had a snowball effect on what kind of high he was looking for, and went into unrealistic shit because he was bored with his life. dont blame p0t for its users.
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - geves - 08-18-2008
is there a way to ignore, Kaze? I've been clicking on things since my last post? is he a mod? is that why I can't ignore him? or at least de-rep him?
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - ominousferret11 - 08-18-2008
who are you trying to ignore?
are drugs too taboo for bzs? - Nethran - 08-18-2008
ominous, calm down before you have an aneurism. I realize *** didn't force itself upon him, I'm not quite as stupuid as you'd like me to be. He started himself on it, but it opened him up to more drugs he probably wouldn't have touched before hand. That's the point I was making. Sorry that you didn't catch it. Maybe next time.