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REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - jerzilla - 09-29-2004
As topic says, requesting for godly fire-sorc build. I don't mean good, I mean godly.
Sorc will be a PVP-Char, don't char about anything else. The main question I really need to know is Attr points / gear / And skills after Synergies. The one in the guide doesnt even have a point into warmth, and that just seems kinda wierd to me.
please suggest your builds, I greatly appreciate it.
Thanks in advance
-Jer`
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Silver Ice - 09-29-2004
fire sorc:
put 1 point into your favorite armor
put 1 point into eshield and the pre req's
put a point in tele (duh)
max all the synergies around fireball, and then max mastery last.
if you have points left over then u could syng energy shield
gear:
perf fire facet shako
afletch
arach
perf fire faceted eshutas
perf fire facet 15% +3 to fireball ormus
2 sojs
silkweaves or soul spurs
5/5 lidless
weapon 2 shield 2: cta flail+lidless
(note: 1 facet should be die so u can atleast try to kill them after)
stats: enough str for ur heavist item, which is probly arach
dex: none, you are a sorc, and a pvp one
energy: around 120 or enough for around 1k mana without bo
vit: all the rest
charms: anni, and as many fire gcs u want
fill the rest with +5 resist scs
strategy: basically u need a fast computer+a good mouse, and u need to practice dodging fireballs, a fb sorc depends on speed, so if u see a sorc with coh, make sure u laugh at them. now your fireball will pretty much stop any sorceress in 1-2 hits, so try teleing around and shooting. predict where u think they will land then fire and watch for a pattern. for myself, i play defensively because i already have stopped meaning i can just shoot and fire untill the enemy comes too close.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - jerzilla - 09-29-2004
yeah, that's what i was thinking, with fireball, it's like bone spear in a way... it HAS to be fast... so FCR is majorly important.
Which armor is the best BTW? I've never made a sorc in my life. My first PVP char is a necromancer who is godly (not the absolute best, but better than 90% of necros out there). He's even past the final breakpoint for FCR so it's really nice and speedy to PK with him. I'm hoping a firesorc can top him in some ways, they kill me in 2-4 hits if they can land those damn fireballs.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - XxX - 09-29-2004
to make a good fire sorc dont put any into energy sheild.... you will get laughed at man trust me.... besides if you have energy sheild and you get hit with a massive damage hit then ur mana goes to nothing and ur screwed... here is what i prefer...
perfect fire faceted perfect eschutas
perfect fire faceted lidless or sanctuary
grim spurs
uped magefists
fletch
arach
2 x bk rings
perfect 15% fireball ormus with perfect fire facet
godly +2 skills, 20% fcr, 20% fhr, life/mana, strengh, resist rare circlet
6 bo cta
lidless on switch
10 fire gcs with at least 30 life
perfect anni
9 x 15/70 small charms
trust me dont put any into energy sheild it blows......
after you max synergys put rest into frozen armor of your choice...
ty ty if you want to contact me my accounts god(xxx) nl us east
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Silver Ice - 09-29-2004
why wouldnt u put any into e-shield. now if u dont, u will die in 1 hit from most attacks
why would u put points into frozen armor, think about it, your a pvp char vs casters, their not gonna walk up to you and hit you
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - XxX - 09-29-2004
lol you think about it with cta and ck rings and life charms you will have life and you nee dlife to live i mean if you have energy sheild then when they hit you you cant tele away casue you have no mana lol and plus the shiver armor adds massive defence for facing people like ww barbs and chargadins lol trust me i know what im doing....
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Pyrohammie - 09-29-2004
yeah really dude if ur energy is gone cuz u got raped by a barb with ww and u dont have shiver armor of some sort then ur really fcked
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - jerzilla - 09-29-2004
xxx sounds right, i've heard this before from other ppl.
xxx if you dont mind, could you post attr and skill distribution? So i should use shiver armor , and not the other 2?
besides, when i first looked @ the tree i was thinking "shit, i have to waste SO many points to get mana shield?"
like the lightning spells... those are waste of points IMO
Ever had a necro or a hammerdin and then teleported into a crowd with mana burn or mana drain? you're fooked. It's like the only way monsters ever kill you in hell, mana freakin burn. In a way.. E/S is comparable to adding mana burn to your character if you think about it.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Rapta111 - 09-29-2004
For energy shield, it all depends on what you're fightning. In most cases, especially duels, you will get mana burnt after being hit after 1-2 times, therefore you will have absolutely no mana to teleport. If you wish to bank a point into energy shield, make sure that you do NOT synergize energy shield. Instead, but the extra points into Warmth. This way, if you were to be mana drained, you will be able to regen the mana at a very fast speed and not really need a high mana pool at all. You can basically use your mana as another health bar, therefore doubling your health and chances of survival.
And everyone knows that I have said this like 100 times. For automatic stun, put a point into thunderstorm.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - jerzilla - 09-29-2004
Rapta111 Wrote:For energy shield, it all depends on what you're fightning. In most cases, especially duels, you will get mana burnt after being hit after 1-2 times, therefore you will have absolutely no mana to teleport. If you wish to bank a point into energy shield, make sure that you do NOT synergize energy shield. Instead, but the extra points into Warmth. This way, if you were to be mana drained, you will be able to regen the mana at a very fast speed and not really need a high mana pool at all. You can basically use your mana as another health bar, therefore doubling your health and chances of survival.
And everyone knows that I have said this like 100 times. For automatic stun, put a point into thunderstorm.
That's another option... I want to put enough points into warmth that i regen really quickly, i'd rather regen FAST than have to put any points into energy and save them for life... hmm options options, is there really not a "godly build" ? that everyone agrees on for the most part? (gear included) Like there are for bone necros
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Rapta111 - 09-29-2004
Having good warmth is a reason why you have a large mana pool. It's much like multiple benefits. Having a large mana pool means more mana which damage can be drained from, and more mana also means there's MORE MANA TO RECOVER. This also means that with a large mana pool, your mana not only regens faster because of regen %, but also the fact that it regens faster because you have tons of mana. So the more mana you have, the faster it will regen, and the more mana can be allowed to drain FROM energy shield, ahich allows more mana to cast spells, which allows mana to have more time to regen, which means more mana, and its an entire cycle.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - jerzilla - 09-29-2004
EDIT: forgot about teleport LOL
I think i'm going to do this, ty everyone for suggestions.
This setup uses 106 Skill points, you can get 99 + 12 = 108 skill points. So there'd be 2 left over in the end to do whatever you want. (edit: it'll be 108 exactly)
Cold Spells (NONE):
Edit: NONE
Lightning Spells (2):
Telekinesis: 1
Teleport: 1
Fire Spells (Rest):
Firebolt: 20 (2.5 mana cost @ lvl 30)
Fireball: 20 (19.5 mana cost @ lvl 30)
Meteor: 20 (30 mana cost @ lvl 30)
Firemastery: 20
Warmth: 20
inferno:1 -- pre-req
blaze: 1 -- pre-req
firewall:1 -- pre-req
that should be some ownage. As for attr points:
Min for str and dex (items),
all rest vitality.
What do you guys think? I'm hoping with +skills my regen for mana will be INSANE, and fireball doesnt really take that much anyways.
For example, lvl 20 warmth = 258% mana regen
let's say i get lvl 30 with +skills = 378% mana regen
Anyone know the math for me to calculate how much mana regen that is per second? if i can regen faster than i can use it , then it doesnt even matter if i only have 100 mana, right?
Post what you guys think, I've only been playing Diablo for a month. But I usually base my characters on what i think will work. So far they've been precent decent
What do you guys think about this one?
Remember, purely PVP standpoint
Rapta111 Wrote:Having good warmth is a reason why you have a large mana pool. It's much like multiple benefits. Having a large mana pool means more mana which damage can be drained from, and more mana also means there's MORE MANA TO RECOVER. This also means that with a large mana pool, your mana not only regens faster because of regen %, but also the fact that it regens faster because you have tons of mana. So the more mana you have, the faster it will regen, and the more mana can be allowed to drain FROM energy shield, ahich allows more mana to cast spells, which allows mana to have more time to regen, which means more mana, and its an entire cycle.
Ok, so look @ my build above, and tell me what i should change or put for my attr and skill distribution
With CTA, if i can get like 3-4 K life i think it would work very nicely.
I cant either Max Warmth, Meteor, or Fire Mastery Last
I tested it out on http://www.d2items.com/skills.php
Maxing Fire mastery before Meteor gives more damage to fireball and firebolt.
11 K fireball with synergies maxed (at level 30), and meteor @ lvl 21
10 K fireball with synergies maxed (at level 30), and fire mastery @ lvl 21
Or i could max them all, and THEN do warmth, however warmth is essential to my "master plan" so i don't think i'd risk that. I can risk having a little lower damage.
I think i'll do this, and max meteor last.
Rapta111 Wrote:And everyone knows that I have said this like 100 times. For automatic stun, put a point into thunderstorm.
Is it really worth it? You're sacrificing like 5-6 points right there.
remember, this is coming from a guy that has never dueled with a sorc, so bare with me if i sound like an ***. Just trying to figure out what works best.
In PVP, how often does TS hit your target and stun him enough for you to kill him?
I'd figure it'd be dog fighting most of the time... tping around and launching spells around... whoever plays the best wins. yes/no?
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Quiksilver - 09-29-2004
I think silver is right you would want energy shield
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - TexasRedbull - 09-29-2004
Here's my take on a fire sorc. I have a level 92 Useast Ladder. Her name is theStupidkidz.
Skills
Max all of fireball syn's and fire mastery.
Activate teleport.
Activate warmth.
Put all the remaining points into the armor of your choice. I would use Shiver Armor because it has the highest enhanced defense. ( I noticied that Jerzilla activated all three armors. I do not know if you realize it, but the armors don't stack, your character will only use the last one you cast.)
Stats
120 Strength
0 Dexterity
320 Vitality
90 energy
You are probably laughing. Why so much str?
I find that it is best, as a dueling character, to have an extremely transposable gear selection in your stash. As evidenced by the other peoples' remarks, most have static gear, however I change theStupidkidz gear depending upon the char I am fighting. I should say that all my gear does not change only certain elements of it.
I put some points into mana to regen faster, the info is described in another post. However you do not need to put any into mana. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from hitting a mana potion. And as far as having die facets, this is just me, but you wouldn't be "godly" if you had to rely on your death to kill someone. (Maybe I'm missing something though.)
Static Gear
Perfect upped Skin of the Vipermagi with a 5/5 Fire Facet. 1016 defense.
Mara's Kaleidoscope Amulet. 28% All resist.
Harlequin Crest Shako with a 5/5 Fire Facet. 145 defense.
Magefist Light Gauntlets. 25 defense. (Need to up them.)
Ethereal Oculus Swirling Crystal with 5/5 Fire Facet.
Alternate Weapon
6 B.O. Call to Arms Double axe.
Lidless Wall Grimshield with a 5/5 Fire Facet.
Charms
5 Fire Gc's, 3 have 12% Faster Hit Recovery and 2 have 6 str.
8 5% faster hit recovery small charms with 9-10% lightning, cold or fire res.
17 Vita small charms with 19-20 to defense.
The rest of my character's gear remains malleable so that it can be changed when I duel a certain character class. As a sidenote, I realize that you often duel more than one person at time, so many people find switching gear to be unintelligent. However, in a duel game I rarely come across more than one "godly" dueler, so you will be able to switch your gear to take a hit from that person and still be alive to deal with any other duelers that might be annoying you.(I apoligize to all of you reading this, for I am sure that is only because I have not had the misfortune to come across your clan in a duel. Because you, like everyone else, has the "godliest" dueling clan. Ever.)
Transposable Gear
Vs Bone Necro or Poison Necro
Arachnid Mesh Spiderweb Sash.
2 10% Faster Cast Rate Rings.
Switch the Lidless that is on Alternate to Main.
Perfect Tearhaunch Greaves.
Eschuta's Temper Eldritch Orb. 19% Fire with a 5/5 Fire Facet. (If you have a perfect use it. I don't.)
Vs Hammer Paladin
Same as above.
Vs Fire Sorc
Arachnid Mesh Spiderweb Sash.
2 Dwarf Star Rings.
Oculus Swirling Crystal with 5/5 Fire facet.
Tearhaunch Greaves. (Alternate boots would be Infernostride's Demonhide Boots.)
Upped Moser's Blessed Circle Round Shield with two perfect diamonds. 346 defense
Vs Cold Sorc
Snowclash Battle Belt. (Increases Max cold res.)
2 Ravenfrost Rings.
Oculus with 5/5 Facet.
Tearhaunch Greaves.
Upped Moser's Blessed Circle Round Shield with two perfect diamonds. 346 defense
Vs Lightning Sorc
Thundergod's Warbelt. (Increases Max light res.)
Monarch with 4 Perfect topaz.
2 Wisp Projector Rings.
Tearhaunch Greaves.
Vs Charged Strike Amazon
Same as above.
Vs Trap Assassin
Same as above.
Vs Fist of the Heaven's Paladin
Same as above.
Vs Guided Arrow Amazon(Includes any character shooting guided.)
Same as for necro.
People will become angry but, since he is a part of the game, I use my level 93 Holy Freeze Merc as well for these type of characters.
Vs WW Barb
Same as for Necro, except use Stormshield Monarch.(To equip the 4 Topaz'ed Monarch and SS you will need 156 str, with 120 and your gear you will have enough.)
Vs Charge/Zeal/Smite Paladin or Frenzy Barb
Same as Barb except use Marrowwalk Boneweave Boots.(People commonly use these with Trap Asn's, they also work wonderfully when equipped on a Fire sorc. One note however, they will not work on a ww barb because ww is an uniterruptible attack.)
Vs Wind Elemental Druid
Same as necro except equip one raven frost ring and put Moser's back on.
Vs Fire Elemental Druid
Same as fire sorc.
I hope that you, or anyone else, finds this information useful.
Please feel free to change any of the gear to something you find more appropriate, you must keep in mind that I play ladder and am constrained by the availibilty of items.
Because I was trying to be helpful, I would appreciate not being flamed, however if you feel the need to, just pm me so that no one else has to read it.
Any helpful comments/ improvement suggestions would be most welcome.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - jerzilla - 09-29-2004
TexasRedbull Wrote:( I noticied that Jerzilla activated all three armors. I do not know if you realize it, but the armors don't stack, your character will only use the last one you cast.)
umm.... Think about that for a second. Honestly, do you have any clue what you're talking about if you didnt know that they pre-req each other?
Screw it, im only getting frozen armor.... too many prereqs for the other two
and actually screw getting E/S too. I've got a staff that gives me +1 to E/S. If i find i need it that badly i'll throw the staff on, cast E/S in town (it'll use my +items as well), then take it off and put my Perf Echutahs and lidless back on. not much different than Bo'ing before a battle. I've actually got an item that gives +1 to shiver armor too, so if i really need shiver , ill repeat process above.
I just loathe the idea of wasting points on pre-reqs unless its essential. I mean... takes like 5-6 points to pre-req shiver, and another 5-6 points to prereq E/S. That's such a waste.
TLDR: I've got items that give +1 Thunderstorm , +1 Shiver Armor, +1 E/S. I can save points by using them to switch-cast.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - jerzilla - 09-30-2004
Texas, as infomative as your post is, i cannot follow it. Why? Because i dont want to be limited by items. I'll have to do it my own way.
EDIT: On a side note, I do change gear on my other PVP char, whom is a necromancer.
In NM mode i use lidless for the FCR (resistance is lower in NM so i dont need my Hommy so much). And in Hell mode i use my hommy for the resistance. I alternate between FCR rings and SOJs, It's usually 1 SOJ and 1 FCR ring w/ resistances (38 to lightning, 10 to others). I have added some mana on my necromancer, and i find that i still dont have enough mana to keep fighting without going through alot of potions. I Need to get a darkforce eventually.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Rapta111 - 09-30-2004
Why would you be using lidless? It does not give as much fast cast, +skills, OR resists, and many other stats which "hommy" DOES give.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Bolong - 09-30-2004
rapta is right, depends on what fcr bps u want to reach...
btw i wna ask about 70/15 ES, i read this from other thread??
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - jerzilla - 09-30-2004
Rapta111 Wrote:Why would you be using lidless? It does not give as much fast cast, +skills, OR resists, and many other stats which "hommy" DOES give.
Like I said in the other post.
Nightmare: Lidless
[img] http://www.d2legit.com/images/screenshots/LidlessWall.jpg[/img]
Hell: Hommy
![[Image: Homunculus.jpg]](http://www.d2legit.com/images/screenshots/Homunculus.jpg)
Best choice if you can afford: Darkforce -- Costs around 8 high runes, hopefully ill have one soon.
![[Image: DarkforceSpawn.jpg]](http://www.d2legit.com/images/screenshots/DarkforceSpawn.jpg)
After this post I'm not going to sit here and argue with someone who thinks they know how to build godly characters for every class. Hommy has ZERO FCR, which apparently you thought it did. If you want to checkout my necromancer then give me a message, *jerzilla on west.nl
Clan duels take place in nightmare, lidless is better option for nightmare because hommy is overkill on the resistances
In Hell use hommy until you can get a darkforce which will work the best in any difficulty mode.
To be godly you MUST have over 125 FCR. The godly of the godly have even more, 170 or so.
I know what the **** im talking about, and im not going to waste my time trying to prove it to some newb that thinks he's always right. I've experimented time and time again with all different items, white wand, wizspike, suicide branch, hoto. having more FCR with a slighty weaker damage is ALWAYS better than having a SLOW FCR with more damage. Necros and casters in general do not stop to chat, they teleport at you, fire their spells, teleport out, then come back and attack you again. I'm done talking to you, you obviously have no idea wtf you're talking about and you're only arguing for the sake of arguing.
![[Image: s1.jpg]](http://www3.telus.net/jeremychan/d2/s1.jpg)
![[Image: s2.jpg]](http://www3.telus.net/jeremychan/d2/s2.jpg)
in nightmare is having 75 Resist and ~100 more damage (from hommy) worth sacrificing more Mana, Stamina, Life, Defense, and 20% FCR? (from lidless).
just because an item LOOKS better does not mean it'll work better in a godly setup.
and btw, yes my hommy has a perfect diamond in it before you ask. There's only a +3 resistance difference for wasting a um rune in a shield. Oh, and my ammy sucks.... It's only +3 P&B, +74 to life, with the ammy that im supposed to use (rare +2 necro skills, +2 Sorc skills, FHR, FCR, resistances) it'll be even higher and those resistances will probably be maxed while using lidless.
not to mention, my hommy has a perfect diamond in it, my lidless has nothing in it yet.... so resistances rise even more it'll be 69/64/75/61
EDIT: forgot to say, only 3 of those GCs are plain +1 P&B. I'm supposed to have 10, damage will jump even more when i get the other 7. AT THIS POINT 2-4 Bone spirits or bone spears will kill ANY character in the game. It doesnt matter if you're a barb with 4K life. In 1 second you can shoot around 3.5 spears or 3 spirits with 120 FCR. How hard to you think itll be to kill any barb that is WWing at you? Necros when built right are just too damn fast, no melee character can catch them if the player is good. BLOCK DOESN'T MATTER. dont even suggest against zons, they are the easiest to kill.
Melee characters seldomly hit you and decrepify destroys them anyways, if a barb tries to TP on me im out of his screen before he even starts WWing. If a blizz sorc hits you with her 13 K blizzard then you're ****ed anyways, but they rarely hit you, once they tp into your screen and cast it @ you you're already gone out of the danger zone. What does **** you up though are druids that use vines to hold you, then they TP on you and kill you. And a good fire sorc will be able to hit you with prediction balls, owning the shit outta you. there are smart TS sorcs that just TP chase you around and hope that TS will strike you. if you have a Golem, a Oak Sage, and yourself, there's a 33.3% chance that TS will hit you, same with FOH, those odds are pretty good for you.
REQUESTING: Godly Fire Sorc Build :: I Don't trust the one in the FAQ - Rapta111 - 09-30-2004
Heh, never heard of clan duellin taking place in NM, but what the hell.
And how is maxing your resists a bad thing?