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Help With Singer Build - The-Grim-Reaper - 03-19-2005
Im making a pvp singer in nonladder and i need some suggestions. this is wut ive figured so far:
str: none
dex: none
vita and energy: this is wut i need help deciding.. how much vita and energy to put.
helm: shako (need help deciding wut to socket with.. i was thinking cham, shael, or um. help!)
weaps: dual hotos (currently giving him 2x 34 resist)
armor: bp enigma
glove: frostburn
boots: silkweave
ammy: i have +3 wc 10 fcr ammy
rings: sojs
belt: spider
skills to max:
war cry
battle cry
taunt
howl
+1 to battle command
rest to BO
i was thinking about putting 1 to iron skin and natural resist so i could eliminate um as choice to socket shako with.. wut do u think??
let me know wut u guys think thanks..
Help With Singer Build - A|fzZz - 03-19-2005
Shako wouldn't be bad, but it's definately not something to marvel over. Sure you lose huge life/mana bonuses, but that's really it.
30% FHR
30% Resist
2 Skills
20 Str
20 Dex
is better than
2 skills
120 Life
120 Mana
10 DR
If you don't hit the 86% FHR Breakpoint, you'll stay in the Hit Recovery mode until you die, if you get hit by something. That's usually the case at least.
Use arreats
Help With Singer Build - TuNa-FisH_SuShI - 03-19-2005
take away hotos and get dual wizzies
more fcr
more res
WAY more mana (this is what a singer barb needs)
and dont put any in energy and all in vit
i'd use shako sheal'd
2skills
120+enrgy
120+life
10%DR
20%fhr
beats arreats
2 skill (cancels out shako's 2skill)
30%fhr (10%more fhr)
30%res(dual wizzies =150all res + 1 in natural resis gives u max)
20str (dont need it your singer)
20dex (dont need it your singer)
Help With Singer Build - nujabes - 03-19-2005
also put only enuff str and dex for equips. dual wiz will provide u with enuff mana. so everything else in vit so it will be pretty high
Help With Singer Build - A|fzZz - 03-19-2005
str's gonna help you with equipments..
And he was talkin bout hotos jsut now...not wiz..
Help With Singer Build - The-Grim-Reaper - 03-19-2005
i dont need more fcr bcuz with my build i break the 105 breakpoint already... so is wiz spike really worth losing +6 to all skills???
Help With Singer Build - TYLER - 03-19-2005
use the 2x wizzys:
20 more fcr than the hoto's
82 more resist
and a shitload of +mana
also, put a Hel rune in each of your wizzys so u can put more points into vita/energy
and imo u should max bo. i cant remember, but you dont max either taunt or howl (sry cant remember which one, check barbarian guides for referance) and instead max bo along with warcry, battle cry, and either taunt or howl (again, check the barb guides) and of course the 1 skill to battle commands. also at least 1 point in natural resist, and if feel u need to, iron skin.
Help With Singer Build - The-Grim-Reaper - 03-19-2005
wtf.. i already said i dont need more fcr bcuz i already passed the bp so any more wouldnt do anything.. and im pretty sure i should max taunt and howl for dmg.. u cant have natural resist without iron skin and if i use dual wiz spikes then i dont need natural resist anyways cuz i get 150 resist from them. so i still need to no which is better:
+6 skills versus more resist and mana
Help With Singer Build - A|fzZz - 03-19-2005
using perf hoto 40 + 40 and plus nat res plus +plus skills shud make ur res pretty high...
Help With Singer Build - Silver Ice - 03-19-2005
cham ur shako
ur resists are fine. thats all i gotta say
Help With Singer Build - Siluru - 03-20-2005
Use Wizard Spike, it has more FCR and more mana, if you use hotos' you are going to find yourself running out of mana alot.
Help With Singer Build - Shadow-Hunter - 03-20-2005
Silver Ice Wrote:cham ur shako
No.. dont cham it .. Your Cast rate is the same when u are frosen or not ..
Help With Singer Build - The-Grim-Reaper - 03-20-2005
3KeYz Wrote:Use Wizard Spike, it has more FCR and more mana, if you use hotos' you are going to find yourself running out of mana alot.
OMG please stop posting to use spikes because of FCR!! i already said that i reach the 105 breakpoint so 20 more wont do anything!!
so ive figured out to shael my shako. i still need to know whether having more resist and mana from spikes is better than +6 skills from hotos. ill probably just hel 2 spikes and try them out with hotos on switch and see which is better. im gonna have to get some dex charms first tho...
Help With Singer Build - Silver Ice - 03-20-2005
Shadow-Hunter Wrote:No.. dont cham it .. Your Cast rate is the same when u are frosen or not ..drr..... but a barb needs to be able to run out of the way and u cant do that very well if your frozen.
The-Grim-Reaper Wrote:OMG please stop posting to use spikes because of FCR!! i already said that i reach the 105 breakpoint so 20 more wont do anything!!shaeling it wont do anything since u dont have any fhr anywhere else. unless u plan on getting 9 or so warcry 12% fhr charms and shaling ur shako. otherwise cham it since u can run even if cold hits you (make sure u put a few into natural resist and increased speed). and yes more resists help even if your resists are 75 in hell, and if you get another 75 cold resist u end up getting 150 cold resist even though it doesnt show, it still helps. if u want more mana how about just use mana potions instead, even though more resists would help against fireball sorceresses.
so ive figured out to shael my shako. i still need to know whether having more resist and mana from spikes is better than +6 skills from hotos. ill probably just hel 2 spikes and try them out with hotos on switch and see which is better. im gonna have to get some dex charms first tho...
Help With Singer Build - Siluru - 03-20-2005
You could use mana potions, but that warcry will take a heavy toll on your mana, not to mention teleporting. And you won't be killing at superior rates, it is going to take a bit, but you try it out, see what fits you best.
Help With Singer Build - The-Grim-Reaper - 03-20-2005
OK ive tried them both out and figured out some stuff. ill lay it all out for evey1 and u can help me decide which will be better. please keep in mind that CAST RATE FOR BOTH WILL BE THE SAME SO DONT POST ANYTHING REGARDING FCR:
1. Dual Hotos
- gets 275 more dmg than dual spikes
- takes 2 points from BO to put into iron skin and natural resist so i can have all resists at 60 in hell (which is bad)
- 20-25 less points in dex so that u can use for vita
2. Dual Wiz Spikes
- 230 more MANA than with dual hotos
- max resist in hell so 2 more points to spend on BO
- needs 20-25 more points into dex
rite now im kinda leaning towards the wiz spikes since war cry drains my mana pretty fast with about 50 mana each cast.. and the 275 dmg wont be TOO bad of a loss since i have 9 gcs already and getting one more. i just wanna figure out wut to use before i waste points in dex or waste points into iron skin and natural resist. please let me know ur guys' opinions. THANKS.
Help With Singer Build - The-Grim-Reaper - 03-21-2005
ya well thanks for not giving me any more input on what you all think.
ive decided to go with adding more dex points and using the wiz spikes. hotos just ran out of mana WAY too fast and i couldnt war cry enough to kill some1. plus it wasnt TOO big of a dmg loss that gcs dont make up for. i just need to use 2 wc spears on switch for boing and now i can use the hotos for diff chars.
Help With Singer Build - MadCowBoy - 03-27-2005
OK!Last thing!
I'm thinking that using Wizard Spike x2 + Arreat's Face is better!Though using Arreat's has less mana,but u get +stats and add skills!I think using Arreat's is real better than using SHAKO!HEHE!If u have questions,feel free to ask me!