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Who lied? Obama lied. - Ares - 04-10-2009
Now he wants more money..
BBC NEWS | Americas | Obama seeks extra funds for wars
Who lied? Obama lied. - Mathalamus - 04-10-2009
well it does take money to fund operations in the middle of the east. er i mean the middle of asia.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Nethran - 04-11-2009
The West of Asia. The East according to the location of the home of the world's superpowers at the time of its naming.
Anyway.. What's he supposed to do, Ares? I'm all for getting the hell out of there. I have been since it was announced we'd be heading to Iraq. I think Afghanistan was a reasonable reaction to 9/11, but Iraq was stupid. But we can't just take our people out instantly and leave the locals to fend for themselves, and it takes money to bring them home, send them back, and have them there. Not asking for the money would be irresponsible more so than saying he wouldn't ask for the money and then asking for it later. Shit's gotta get done.
Who lied? Obama lied. - wazzacky - 04-11-2009
i agree with nethran. I am uneducated in this topic but i don't care. I don't see much of a difference. The mobilazation of the army and airforce cost billions. Hell those air-to-air missiles cost alot! I think Bush had some influence in increasing the armies budget. i think. Spending money on the economy and getting the army out doesn't sound bad at all. Ofcourse paying the taxes sucks. Move to new zealand.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Ares - 04-11-2009
Nethran Wrote:The West of Asia. The East according to the location of the home of the world's superpowers at the time of its naming.
Anyway.. What's he supposed to do, Ares? I'm all for getting the hell out of there. I have been since it was announced we'd be heading to Iraq. I think Afghanistan was a reasonable reaction to 9/11, but Iraq was stupid. But we can't just take our people out instantly and leave the locals to fend for themselves, and it takes money to bring them home, send them back, and have them there. Not asking for the money would be irresponsible more so than saying he wouldn't ask for the money and then asking for it later. Shit's gotta get done.
Im all for it, in my opinion there was NO OTHER option.
I just love it when the entire public licked his balls, all the media everyone was kissing his ass and their savior lies
Who lied? Obama lied. - Pamela - 04-12-2009
He has lied multiple times and as I said from the begining ....results will show his leadership or lack thereof ...So far he is an epic failure my great...great...great...grandchildren will pay for.
As far as the military choice he is correct but should have considered that first.NOW we are ALSO paying for his LACK of ever having been in service to his country as anything but a politician .....
Who lied? Obama lied. - TyKe - 04-12-2009
i would just like for america to pull everything from everywhere and maintain ourselves so we can get out of this recession/depression . i just got a job finally and i almost lost my house, and my land taxes went up .7% plus other things. we need to concentrate on using hydrogen/bio diesel , these give more power than gasoline Oo
my rep got reset?
Who lied? Obama lied. - wazzacky - 04-12-2009
TyKe Wrote:i would just like for america to pull everything from everywhere and maintain ourselves so we can get out of this recession/depression . i just got a job finally and i almost lost my house, and my land taxes went up .7% plus other things. we need to concentrate on using hydrogen/bio diesel , these give more power than gasoline Oo
my rep got reset?
gasoline is much more energetic than hydrogen is. As for bio diesel im not sure.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Nethran - 04-12-2009
hydrogen is renewable, gasoline is gone once you've used it. Hydrogen might not have as much potential energy, but you can have a hell of a lot more of it for a hell of a lot less money, and never have to worry about the world markets crashing when it's gone.
Who lied? Obama lied. - wazzacky - 04-12-2009
yea, but im skeptical because H20 is a greenhouse gas too. As for the money i think it might get up in price just because of the electricity cost to decompose water into hydrogen. U know what i mean? The only sensable thing would be to make everything like that free, its in our oceans for godsakes. Same thing with oil. its in the ground, it should be free.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Nethran - 04-12-2009
It's the cost of producing the fuel cells. The companies that do it will become the new "oil barons," but I think it's safe to say it will be a more open market and it will run a lot cheaper. Especially considering it's possible to "recharge" fuel cells as opposed to buying new ones. Also, H2O might be a greenhouse gas, but that's why it rains. Unlike a lot of other gasses, it can easily find its way back to its source. Is the output of a hydrogen fuel cell liquid or gas water, though? I was under the impression it was liquid.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Pamela - 04-12-2009
wazzacky Wrote:yea, but im skeptical because H20 is a greenhouse gas too. As for the money i think it might get up in price just because of the electricity cost to decompose water into hydrogen. U know what i mean? The only sensable thing would be to make everything like that free, its in our oceans for godsakes. Same thing with oil. its in the ground, it should be free.
H2O is NOT a greenhouse gas and I am ashamed of you.H20 is WATER....you did not pay attention in chemistry ...did you?
The gas you may be refering to is Methane and Carbon Dioxide......it is NOT...water gentlemen.
Water makes clouds and rain...not the greenhouse effect.
Who lied? Obama lied. - SpoonMan999 - 04-13-2009
AHAHAHAHA did any of the Obama ass kissers read the article? Obama PROMISED that our troops would be on their way home within about a year of him winning and they would be fnished before his first term ended. He's asking for more money to fund their operations there for another year. Not so they can start packing their bags. In fact how the Hell do you figure they would need extra money to send them home? It costs more to have them over there than it would to slowly withdraw them.
The article does claim his plan will involve reducing troops but not withdrawing them.
Who lied? Obama lied. - wazzacky - 04-13-2009
Pamela Wrote:H2O is NOT a greenhouse gas and I am ashamed of you.H20 is WATER....you did not pay attention in chemistry ...did you?
The gas you may be refering to is Methane and Carbon Dioxide......it is NOT...water gentlemen.
Water makes clouds and rain...not the greenhouse effect.
H20 is a green house gas pam. Research it. I did. The requirments for a green house gas is that it reflects light or absorbs it i believe. H20 is actually the most abundant greenhouse gas i believe. This rebuttel is going out of tipic buttt. Haven't u noticed that temperatures are always warmer when clouds are in. For that exact reason.
http://www.espere.net/Unitedkingdom/water/uk_watervapour.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html
there u go
Who lied? Obama lied. - Pamela - 04-15-2009
Wazzacky....I will take into account you are young and prone to influence. Listen to me...WATER is NOT a GAS...it is a PARTICLE that floats through the AIR attached to other particles...which ARE gasses.
Clouds are formed when they ionize and combine with the air. "Air" is composed of SEVERAL gasses my dear.
If ANYTHING....clouds make it cooler....or do you never step away from the computer?Try going outdoors once in awhile....this may help.
As For Obama??? My stance will always be NOBAMA!!! He is a liar and will ruin this country.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Nethran - 04-15-2009
Water vapor is water in its gaseous form. Clouds happen when water vapor collects in low pressure areas of the atmosphere, and it rains when that gas condenses back into a liquid. Saying that water can't be a gas is like saying that helium, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen can't be gasses. Water just has a higher temperature at which is condenses and freezes. I'll see if Wikipedia can back us up...
Quote:Water is a common chemical substance that is essential for the survival of all known forms of life. In typical usage, water refers only to its liquid form or state, but the substance also has a solid state, ice, and a gaseous state, water vapor or steam.
And then, just to be diverse, Dictionary.com
Quote:water vapor
n. Water in a gaseous state, especially when diffused as a vapor in the atmosphere and at a temperature below boiling point.
Saying that water is just a particle that floats through the air attached to other particles, but is not a gas, seems silly. If water is floating through the air at all, then it's a gas. It's not always a gas, but it is a gas sometimes, especially while floating.
Also, on mostly or partly cloudy days when it hasn't rained and has been hot the days before and the sun is getting ample opportunity to peek through the clouds, you will notice it's hotter. The clouds insulate the heat, disallowing it to escape. Also, humidity(or higher concentrations of water vapor in the air closest to earth due to a similarity in temperature and dew point) in the air holds heat in as well. It makes the air denser, causing warmer nights as it takes longer for the air to cool itself. In both of those ways, you could technically call it a greenhouse gas, but the first would be more traditional and people would probably laugh at you if you said the second.
Who lied? Obama lied. - wazzacky - 04-15-2009
thx neth, i actually wasn't gona argue anymore..mite get a warning for changing topic. I hope u definitly don't.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Mathalamus - 04-15-2009
water is a greenhouse gas. common knowledge. water when boiled is definately a gas. sure it may be a tiny particle but we call that gas.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Pamela - 04-15-2009
It is not a greenhouse gas...I know what water is and I know scientists are still theoriising about it.They do NOT understand it's effect.
You will NOT convince me on this so do not try.
Math when knowledge is common for YOU...come back with facts...otherwise shut up.
And NO I do not warn if dissagreed with...I argue back.
Who lied? Obama lied. - Nethran - 04-15-2009
I shall try. I'm not convinced that you cannot be convinced.
Wikipedia page on Greenhouse Gases Wrote:Greenhouse gases, mainly water vapor, are essential to helping determine the temperature of the Earth; without them this planet would likely be so cold as to be uninhabitable. Although many factors such as the sun and the water cycle are responsible for the Earth's weather and energy balance, if all else was held equal and stable, the planet's average temperature should be considerably lower without greenhouse gases.
I read a lot of the page. There is nothing to suggest that any of the preceeding quote is still in a hypothetical state or mere theory. As far as I can tell, it's fact. But, to be a good researcher, I must find more than one source for the facts I use, as well as attempt to find a source that discredits the assumed facts I've gathered. So, to start, I will site another source and quote them.
Article on Greenhouse Gases and Climate Change on the U.S. Government's Energy Information Administration's website Wrote:What Are Greenhouse Gases?
Many chemical compounds found in the Earth’s atmosphere act as “greenhouse gases.” These gases allow sunlight to enter the atmosphere freely. When sunlight strikes the Earth’s surface, some of it is re-radiated back towards space as infrared radiation (heat). Greenhouse gases absorb this infrared radiation and trap the heat in the atmosphere. Many gases exhibit these “greenhouse” properties. Some of them occur in nature (water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide), while others are exclusively human made (certain industrial gases). Over time, if atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases remain relatively stable, the amount of energy sent from the sun to the Earth’s surface should be about the same as the amount of energy radiated back into space, leaving the temperature of the Earth’s surface roughly constant.
More info than necessary, but I wanted to get the whole paragraph anyway.
Now, I shall attempt to find something to counter these. For funsies.
I tried. Can't find a thing. Maybe you'll have better luck if you try...
I think the thing is, Pamela, that you're thinking of(what I recently discovered are called(and I'll probably use it as much as possible because using big words makes me feel smart)) anthropogenic greenhouse gasses, or unnatural greenhouse emissions, generated by human beings. No, water vapor is not one of those. We are not responsible for the mass quantities of water in the atmosphere that help our little world stay warm. That's good ol' Mother Nature's handiwork.
An aside to Wazz: You're welcome for the support, however I feel that I have to clarify something made in one of your initial posts on this particular subject... use of hydrogen fuel cells or any other energy-production method with an H2O byproduct shouldn't drastically increase amounts of water vapor in our atmosphere and speed up the process of climate change. If there is an overabundance of water vapor in the atmosphere, than the atmosphere will automatically correct the problem and it will rain and restabilize. As you may well know, certain types of power plants and factories already produce massive quantities of steam as a byproduct of production, and it has little effect on the atmosphere already, partially due to our natural water sources- lakes and oceans, for instance- that contribute far more vapor to the atmosphere by evaporation than I believe humankind could ever hope to.