Dupe Method: Hellfire + Strafe = Lag.

**ZeratulsDownfall** · 01-19-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by FraterPerdurabo

Maybe You traded for both of them?

the serial would remain the same, once it finds two identical ones it'll delete one. My guess is it'll delete the duped one and keep the origional... (though on Diablo 1 that wasn't the case at all it appears.)

**FraterPerdurabo** · 01-19-2006, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by ZeratulsDownfall

If that were the case, they would be given different serials... Example. The first item on the world would be 0x0, the next one 0x1... Say 0x0 is the Sorceress' Staff (the ****** one), then 0xD or so is a cracked dagger they found. If they were to trade or find another cracked dagger, it wouldn't be 0xD, it'd be a new serial like 0xF... A dupelicated item copies this serial as well... Causing there to be two 0xD's...

No shit, Sir. What I am saying is that You cannot ban people on the basis of having items with duplicated identities in their inventories.

**ZeratulsDownfall** · 01-20-2006, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by FraterPerdurabo

No shit, Sir. What I am saying is that You cannot ban people on the basis of having items with duplicated identities in their inventories.

1. Why not?
2. I never said they'd be banned in the message you quoted...
3. After they leave the game it currently scans for the duplicated item and removes it...
4. When duping the item, it'll have that little "on pickup" trigger go. I believe they have logs of actions such as this. And THIS is what they would ban you for. IE, drop trading...
5. Sure they can, why wouldn't blizzard ban? Think of it this way: Blizzard banning people = less lag, more people re-buying Diablo II, and less duplicated items.

**codfish124** · 01-20-2006, 09:27 AM

this 1 had been PACHED

**ZeratulsDownfall** · 01-20-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by codfish124

this 1 had been PACHED

No it hasn't... It's still possible as long as you can create the lag required to do it.

**FraterPerdurabo** · 01-21-2006, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by ZeratulsDownfall

1. Why not?
2. I never said they'd be banned in the message you quoted...
3. After they leave the game it currently scans for the duplicated item and removes it...
4. When duping the item, it'll have that little "on pickup" trigger go. I believe they have logs of actions such as this. And THIS is what they would ban you for. IE, drop trading...
5. Sure they can, why wouldn't blizzard ban? Think of it this way: Blizzard banning people = less lag, more people re-buying Diablo II, and less duplicated items.

Wow, You really are dumber than if seemed at first.

1. Ok, I'll give You a case to ponder about. I'm looking to get hold of a Ber Ber CoA, so I'm looking for 2 Bers and a CoA. It just so happens that this guy comes in offering 2 Bers, so I'll buy them (for 9 Ists) and then trade for a CoA later on. But guess what, while I'm afk, Blizzard suddenly detects 2 Bers with the same identity on one of my chars and *BOOM* the banning stick hits me hard. That's whay You cannot ban people for such reasons, dipshit.

2. I wasn't talking to You. If You enter a discussion, make sure You read the posts beforehand. Idiot.

3-4-5. Shut up already. You've lost.

**ZeratulsDownfall** · 01-21-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by FraterPerdurabo

Wow, You really are dumber than if seemed at first.

1. Ok, I'll give You a case to ponder about. I'm looking to get hold of a Ber Ber CoA, so I'm looking for 2 Bers and a CoA. It just so happens that this guy comes in offering 2 Bers, so I'll buy them (for 9 Ists) and then trade for a CoA later on. But guess what, while I'm afk, Blizzard suddenly detects 2 Bers with the same identity on one of my chars and *BOOM* the banning stick hits me hard. That's whay You cannot ban people for such reasons, dipshit.

2. I wasn't talking to You. If You enter a discussion, make sure You read the posts beforehand. Idiot.

3-4-5. Shut up already. You've lost.

Why would you quote ME if you weren't talking to me?

Furthermore, you OBVIOUSLY didn't read my post properly. I said they'd check logs. Since you didn't understand this the first time, let me explain it. Logs is a list of previous actions that will be placed every time a character does a main event or action. IE, trading, dropping, etc. If you were to dupe it, blizzard would catch THAT part in their logs. Not after it's traded... The first instance of the serial, not the second, not the third... THE FIRST!

Let me show you an example of what logs may look like, since you didn't understand...

Code:

20/01/2006 11:25:42 PM: ***.***.***.***: Player 0x708B "ZD_Flame" ('tasadar+zeratul') dropped 0x40005ABC (HarlequinCrest)
20/01/2006 11:25:46 PM: ***.***.***.***: Player 0x708B "ZD_Flame" ('tasadar+zeratul') picked up 0x40005ABC (HarlequinCrest)
20/01/2006 11:25:46 PM: ***.***.***.***: Player 0x708B "ZD_Flame" ('tasadar+zeratul') picked up 0x40005ABC (HarlequinCrest)
20/01/2006 11:25:54 PM: ***.***.***.***: Player 0x708B "ZD_Flame" ('tasadar+zeratul') trading 0x40005ABC (HarlequinCrest) to "RandomGuy" ('RandomAccount')

There would obviously be other commands in there, unless they decided to sort it by account. Therefore it would search for the first instance of the serial 0x40005ABC.

It would have to be picked up twice in order for the dupe to work. There would be some logging off and on in there too. If you want a real games logs, I can show you some logs for Ultima Online. If you want an hour, i'll give you an hour... It's quite simple.

Blizzard hasn't cared for shit in banning in the past, why would they now? If they just ban your CD key and not your account, you'd go and buy another CD. Thus giving them more money which is what they want.

**GodandRock** · 01-21-2006, 09:38 PM

really interesting idea...i havent tried it out, but i read this sum time ago on another website...in my opinion, i think this may work...i dont think blizz can patch lag...and also, i would like to conform that u can be on the same account with 2 different comps at the same time....today i went into my friend's account in the same game she was in and we had no problem...but we were on different chars...tomorow im gonna see if u can be on the same character in the same game...this method seems probable, but generating the lag is an issue...i think maybe downloading 5-10 other things at the time might help...just download useless junk above 10mb...and since i have nothin else to do, ima try this out tomorow...

**FraterPerdurabo** · 01-21-2006, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by ZeratulsDownfall

Why would you quote ME if you weren't talking to me?

Furthermore, you OBVIOUSLY didn't read my post properly. I said they'd check logs. Since you didn't understand this the first time, let me explain it. Logs is a list of previous actions that will be placed every time a character does a main event or action. IE, trading, dropping, etc. If you were to dupe it, blizzard would catch THAT part in their logs. Not after it's traded... The first instance of the serial, not the second, not the third... THE FIRST!

Let me show you an example of what logs may look like, since you didn't understand...

Code:

20/01/2006 11:25:42 PM: ***.***.***.***: Player 0x708B "ZD_Flame" ('tasadar+zeratul') dropped 0x40005ABC (HarlequinCrest)
20/01/2006 11:25:46 PM: ***.***.***.***: Player 0x708B "ZD_Flame" ('tasadar+zeratul') picked up 0x40005ABC (HarlequinCrest)
20/01/2006 11:25:46 PM: ***.***.***.***: Player 0x708B "ZD_Flame" ('tasadar+zeratul') picked up 0x40005ABC (HarlequinCrest)
20/01/2006 11:25:54 PM: ***.***.***.***: Player 0x708B "ZD_Flame" ('tasadar+zeratul') trading 0x40005ABC (HarlequinCrest) to "RandomGuy" ('RandomAccount')

There would obviously be other commands in there, unless they decided to sort it by account. Therefore it would search for the first instance of the serial 0x40005ABC.

Ok, point taken, but an extremely simple way for getting by that, is just by duping runes and then cubing them. They wouldn't be able to prove anything even if they had Your logs.

Originally Posted by ZeratulsDownfall

Blizzard hasn't cared for shit in banning in the past, why would they now? If they just ban your CD key and not your account, you'd go and buy another CD. Thus giving them more money which is what they want.

I'm starting to hear this shit way too many times. If I got banned for no reason, I'd just quit Diablo. Also, believe me, Blizzard really doesn't care about 1 person buying 1 more cd-key, not even 100 people buying 100 new cd-keys, not even 1000, because it's peanuts to their ordinary revenue. It's not like, "Wow! Another noob banned, now I'll just wait until he buys a new cd-key so that I can get myself some lunch!" Get real.

Originally Posted by ZeratulsDownfall

It would have to be picked up twice in order for the dupe to work. There would be some logging off and on in there too. If you want a real games logs, I can show you some logs for Ultima Online. If you want an hour, i'll give you an hour... It's quite simple.

Sorry, but I am really not intersted in Ultima online logs, neither do I see how they contribute to this discussion in any way.

**ZeratulsDownfall** · 01-22-2006, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by FraterPerdurabo

They wouldn't be able to prove anything even if they had Your logs.

If Blizzard were smart, they'd log what gets cubed then too. Like (serial 1) + (serial 2) were cubed... :P. Or they would just stop the person from logging into the same account twice, that code isn't too hard. :\

Originally Posted by FraterPerdurabo

I'm starting to hear this shit way too many times. If I got banned for no reason, I'd just quit Diablo. Also, believe me, Blizzard really doesn't care about 1 person buying 1 more cd-key, not even 100 people buying 100 new cd-keys, not even 1000, because it's peanuts to their ordinary revenue. It's not like, "Wow! Another noob banned, now I'll just wait until he buys a new cd-key so that I can get myself some lunch!" Get real.

How about this. They decide to ban about 10000 CD keys one month. Diablo II and LOD costs about $40. 4000 people but Diablo II again, and thus in total Blizzard earns $160, 000... Quite a bit when you think about it like that. I don't think there's many Diablo II crew, (they're in the credits... there's less than 50 I think). It'll add up, WoW technically IS their main source of money, but why not make more? Afterall, we do live in a greedy world.

Originally Posted by FraterPerdurabo

Sorry, but I am really not intersted in Ultima online logs, neither do I see how they contribute to this discussion in any way.

Hmm, you don't see how do you? Many people make their logs in a VERY similar way. Usually contains char name, IP, account name, action, item name, item serial... You would be suprised by how many logs follow a similar routine, they can be pretty precise. Though, if you make logs add on simple actions like moving and casting spells it can be pretty laggy (like warden isn't laggy enough). Which is why they stick to the main stuff.

Originally Posted by GodandRock

really interesting idea...i havent tried it out, but i read this sum time ago on another website...in my opinion, i think this may work...i dont think blizz can patch lag...and also, i would like to conform that u can be on the same account with 2 different comps at the same time....today i went into my friend's account in the same game she was in and we had no problem...but we were on different chars...tomorow im gonna see if u can be on the same character in the same game...this method seems probable, but generating the lag is an issue...i think maybe downloading 5-10 other things at the time might help...just download useless junk above 10mb...and since i have nothin else to do, ima try this out tomorow...

Well, they can't patch lag... But they could take other turns around it...

So, in the end. To save Blizzard time and money (from upgrades by checking the logs/making better logs). By bet is that if Blizzard really finds this a threat, they could just make it so you can't login to the same account twice... I think they've done it with about every other one of their games. Starcraft, Wc3, WoW?

Kindof makes you wonder, why not Diablo II?

**hellsing293** · 01-22-2006, 02:19 AM

lol and how many ppl u need to pull this off again? lol that'd be so great though its like a conspiracy. is there any chance you'd lose your items or it wouldn't dupe right?

**10 man** · 01-22-2006, 07:26 AM

what the hell is this ..quote thread 101. get over it. if ya wana do it. then do it. if ya dont wana do it then dont. who gives a damn. move on.

**commandwolf** · 01-22-2006, 08:14 AM

you need 2 people to do this hack. this can't be patched cuz it focuses on lag. if blizz started banning people with high lags, then over half of the peps playing will be gone

ps; runewords do work with this dupe?

**GodandRock** · 01-22-2006, 08:40 AM

ok...i really wanna try this thing out...if ne one wants to do it with me, msg me...but i dont have a strafe zon, or a hellfire so it may seem like im being a freeloader lol...but i think my friend has a strafe zon maybe...but no one i know has a hellfire...well, if ne one wants to do it with me, pm me or sumthing, i really want to spend sum time proving and investigating this. so if ur serious and wanna spend maybe an hour or 2 trying this, pm me plz

**ZeratulsDownfall** · 01-22-2006, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by GodandRock

ok...i really wanna try this thing out...if ne one wants to do it with me, msg me...but i dont have a strafe zon, or a hellfire so it may seem like im being a freeloader lol...but i think my friend has a strafe zon maybe...but no one i know has a hellfire...well, if ne one wants to do it with me, pm me or sumthing, i really want to spend sum time proving and investigating this. so if ur serious and wanna spend maybe an hour or 2 trying this, pm me plz

It seemed like multi-shot worked better than strafe... though they both sucked alot. BOTD-bow could get okay results, but you would kill the cows... Any other casting ideas? Possibly alot of FCR and a REALLY high level charged bolt on some cows or something? lmao

**vanalund** · 01-22-2006, 10:09 PM

Hiho all
i'm new and i wanna ask a thing
has anyone tested strafe hellfire lag bug now ?
or is just impossible make lag bug with only strafe hellfire now ?

**FraterPerdurabo** · 01-22-2006, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by ZeratulsDownfall

If Blizzard were smart, they'd log what gets cubed then too. Like (serial 1) + (serial 2) were cubed... :P. Or they would just stop the person from logging into the same account twice, that code isn't too hard. :\

Like You mentioned earlier, if they started logging everything, bnet would get even laggier than it is now. I don't actually think that You can stop a person logging in twice with one account, because essentially, You cannot enter the same game twice with one character, however, You can get around that with lag, therefore a dual logon could be got around in the same way.

Originally Posted by ZeratulsDownfall

ow about this. They decide to ban about 10000 CD keys one month. Diablo II and LOD costs about $40. 4000 people but Diablo II again, and thus in total Blizzard earns $160, 000... Quite a bit when you think about it like that. I don't think there's many Diablo II crew, (they're in the credits... there's less than 50 I think). It'll add up, WoW technically IS their main source of money, but why not make more? Afterall, we do live in a greedy world.

As far as I know, they only ban classic, so halve that already. Another thing, they cannot just mass ban 10000 people every month. There is no way they find that many hackers in 1 month, and if they banned innocent people, they'd probably get boycotted by everyone. In the end, it would be a larger financial loss for them. Personally, I don't give a damn about my keys, I have 3 sets and they can ban them all (provided that there is a legit reason), however, if they banned AOL-Lucifer, my lvl95 Druid, currently ranked 98 on Europe Druid ladder, then I'd get pretty annoyed. That's also the reason why I've stopped with all hacks.

**dkim** · 01-23-2006, 03:57 AM

it doesnt work

**Liran2** · 01-26-2006, 08:14 AM

nop not working tryied again to be sure
cant get above 300 ping..

**scph9002** · 02-06-2006, 06:47 PM

Me and a friend (both bowazons using strafe) where in same party as a my smiter who served as tank and fana aura doll, ALL of the his items broke before it even started to lag for me and we both (ama) spammed strafe as hell! Higheset ping i got was 170 :/

I remeber when the torch was new, back then torch cause MUCH more lagg then now so it seems like torch firestom has got timered or something!