President Bush

**Bloodangel26** · 03-21-2006, 03:42 AM

yes, please, skymonster, read/research....go research how many precautions the US military took to not hurt civilians. go read about how they planned the bombings so that buildings would fall straight down instead of onto the schools/hospitals the iraqi government purposefully put next to the military installations to try to protect them. go read about how before the war even started the US military distributed pamphlets to the iraqi military on how to surrender properly so that the wouldnt have to die. this war was probably the war with the lowest loss of life ever. and the only ones who are killing themselves are the psychos who either think that they are so religiously superior that if they do so they will go to heaven, or the ones who lost their power when saddam was captured.

yes, russia does have nukes, but russia's leader isnt a mass murderer(anymore). and russia's leader isnt stupid enough to go firing them off at other countries.

oh and please, do tell, how did bush screw up the world?

if everyone in austrailia is as dumb as you, maybe bush(because its bush that does the invading, not the military) should invade...maybe he can teach you a few things.

**Aemaeth** · 03-21-2006, 05:06 AM

I just realised i hate people who generalize nations from idiots posts on forums.

**Bloodangel26** · 03-21-2006, 05:36 AM

if you are referring to me, i was not generalizing anything about austrailia, i was trying to make a point about how bush hasnt done anything to effect austrailia and skymonster seems to think he has

**Aemaeth** · 03-21-2006, 05:55 AM

No, It was more of a a dig at most people in this thread.
And the internet.
=/

**SpoonMan999** · 03-21-2006, 06:16 AM

You should all be aware that the majority of the people fighting in Iraq aren't Iraqi. In fact the reason why the resistance is as strong as it is is because terrorists from other nations have come in for a chance to fight the Americans.

And Sky you are probably one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on this forum...the people who planned 9/11 were from Afghanistan not Iraq the only thing we know about Iraq and 9/11 is that Saddam supported the idea though no evidence was found that he helped plan the attacks.
You talk about innocents being hurt during the war? Well think about how many more Saddam would be slaughtering if he were still in power. Get a clue.

**GodandRock** · 03-21-2006, 12:15 PM

all u guys had great points...i want to give a few more points myself....

sadam was bad...he DID make ppl test his food for poisons b4 he ate them, bcoz so many ppl wanted to kill him...also, his sons were also bad, i didnt do much research, but my parents do know alot bout this stuff, and they said that his sons raped ppl and bossed ppl around, just bcoz they were in power and no one could stop them...

the reason y ppl celebrated US coming there, is bcoz US was gonna take care of sadam, which meant that ppl would be free of his dictatorship...but the point is...even after taking care of sadam, bush continued and screwed up the country...at first ppl liked bush, but wen he DIDNT stop and continued to screw around, ppl started hating him...

also can sumone tell me wat they think about this "rumor" that bush was involved in 9/11??? coz i have no idea wat this is about....and also even if u research, dont trust ur findings too much bcoz the government DOES feed u with bullcrap often...

**Bloodangel26** · 03-21-2006, 12:20 PM

the reason "bush" didnt stop "screwing around" in iraq is because the iraqi people arent ready to lead themselves yet...there is so much corruption and lawlessness there right now and there will be until the new iraqi government grows strong enough to stop it. and without the US there it cannot do that right now

let me ask you something, do you honestly believe that any part of the US government would condone the killing of several thousand of its own citizens? the destruction of its own government property? a national symbol of pride? anyone who honestly believes bush or anyone in the government was involved in 9/11 is a freakin moron

**Shift** · 03-21-2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bloodangel26

the reason "bush" didnt stop "screwing around" in iraq is because the iraqi people arent ready to lead themselves yet...there is so much corruption and lawlessness there right now and there will be until the new iraqi government grows strong enough to stop it. and without the US there it cannot do that right now

It is because they are in the middle of a civil war and we are just making it worse by being there. I think we should leave and let them kill themselves, but we can't do that because we are "civil."

**Bloodangel26** · 03-21-2006, 12:28 PM

how do you figure we are making it worse? by acting as their police force till they can properly train their own? by attempting to keep peace? oh yea....we sure are making things worse...

**Shift** · 03-21-2006, 12:32 PM

Nobody interupted us when we had the civil war, well, not as bad as we are with Iraq, and we turned out fine, I think we should let them loose for a bit and see if they can settle it themselves.

**Dan** · 03-21-2006, 12:33 PM

it all makes sense now.... oh wait it dont... lets put it this way, say that canada invaded us, and killed bush because he was a dictator (i'm not talking about real life bush). bush killed people, he raped, he poisoned, he sent squads to goto random houses and kill everyone inside. now when canada invades, people are happy, except for the diehard republicans, and those republicans start destroying schools, police stations, and military instalations that canada has set up. we have no police, our military is non existant. we have no economy, we are in debt. now, should canada pull out and leave us to our fate, or should they stick it out and make lives better for everyone else?

also, WTF DO U THINK THE FRENCH DID WHEN WE HAD OUR REVOLUTIONARY WAR? that war is closer to this one than our civil war. we also didnt have weapons that can kill millions at a time, and we had straight out fighting, this is more gurrilla than our civil war. these wars may be simillar, but they are more different than alike

**DaCougarMech** · 03-21-2006, 12:50 PM

i voted 50-50 because i didnt like the options in the poll. they seemed to cater too much to the extremes. personally, i feel that bush is doing the best that he can. he could have done better but he did what he could with what he knew. im pretty sure that if we were in his position we too would have invaded the middle-east after 9/11. the president's job is a hard one. you make historic decisions every day as the most powerful man in the world and you are criticised by practically everyone. im not kissing his ass but i dont hate him either

**GodandRock** · 03-21-2006, 01:02 PM

cougar mech has a good point...his job IS hard...

**SkyMonster** · 03-21-2006, 05:01 PM

Yes the government does make alot of cr@p up...

if you dont like what i have seen on television and what i have studied take it up with the australian government

i really dont like politics but i have to get involved in this because in was on tv for over a year and bits still come up.

also with the bombing they may have taken precations etc but surely not all the bombs could have went according to plan... say if the american military premapped it on a gps or something and plated a device to help the bomers home on the targeted area... or if they let off flares etc, what if the iraqis moved the locater or made another flare... from 10000 meters or 30000 feet i doubt you would be able to make much out even in daylight.

also with the 9/11 bombing you say that saddam was not involved... sure he wasnt... except saddam and bin larden were known for being buddies and they consulted each other usually before doing things. they are all roughly from the same area so what does it really matter???

also note the ammount of bush haters on the poll why wont anyone else help me take up the bush hating regime?

SkyMonster

**Siris** · 03-21-2006, 05:59 PM

lol like i said bout the bush haters b4 still holds..but u must remember his job makes him an internation celebrity and there for if he takes shit the wrong way millions of ppl will hate him... nw i think that is f*cked up because he is still only human and it is impossible to please every1...no matter what he does that my please a group another will be angry.. therefore b4 u deside to hate him or not make sure u understand full in wht he did and most of all why he did it. also i ge thte feeling that skymonster is just going on whaat mommy and daddy said as a lot of ppl do...thou its mostly the bush haters. try to keep an open mind

as to y he didnt pull out...well... lets think what would happen or the 2 very most-likely things that would happen 1) every1 would kill themself or close to it and then the rest of the ppl would die of hunger and desease. or 2) another brute like saddam would sieze power and therefore we'd be back where we started

**Baid** · 03-21-2006, 06:20 PM

I like Bush, and I wish all these idiot liberals would keep their mouths shut about Bush if they don't like what abc, cbs, or nbc is feeding their warped minds. We (conservatives/republicans) kept quiet when Clinton was president, and please don't try to say "Well Clinton didn't do anything bad." Clinton had the media on his side. If it weren't for Matt Drudge, the scandal with Monica Lewinsky would have probably been sent through the paper shredder.

**Bloodangel26** · 03-21-2006, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by SkyMonster

also with the bombing they may have taken precations etc but surely not all the bombs could have went according to plan... say if the american military premapped it on a gps or something and plated a device to help the bomers home on the targeted area... or if they let off flares etc, what if the iraqis moved the locater or made another flare... from 10000 meters or 30000 feet i doubt you would be able to make much out even in daylight.[SkyMonster

you really have no idea how good the US military is do you? they have missiles that could literally navigate through a house using cameras on the missiles...and the fact still remains, even if innocent people accidentally died, its no more than the amount of innocent people saddam has killed and would kill in the future

**Dan** · 03-21-2006, 10:24 PM

actually, the millitary test with long range missles was that they shot a missle from a naval ship of the coast of texas in the gulf of mexico, the missle flew un noticed by anyone, then hit the target house in new mexico, going through the second story window (which they were aiming for) that was the only window open in the house. the missle destroyed the house, but none of the sourrounding buildings
(been a while since i've read up on that, might have been pacific ocean they shot it from, but pretty sure it was gulf)

**SilentWarrior** · 03-22-2006, 01:22 AM

I think we shouldn't have moved in there without more backing from the other nations. What our soldiers have had to deal with is bullshit. They can't understand what people are saying, and terrorists are dressing like civilians straped with bombs and concealing guns. They have to be in imedient danger to defend themselves and that's why soldiers are dead. Soldiers are dead right now because they can't just go in and kick ass. They have to play these stupid games, the stupid games that terrorist want them to play. The president always has my backing no matter what, this is america and we support our country and leaders no matter what. Act any other way and I compare you to a traitor.

**[/sarcasm]** · 03-22-2006, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by SilentWarrior

The president always has my backing no matter what, this is america and we support our country and leaders no matter what. Act any other way and I compare you to a traitor.

So you think that I'm a traitor because I think gay people should have the right to marry? That's a little closed-minded, dude. I back Bush although I think he should have thought it through a little more before he invaded, but I don't brand anyone that doesn't agree a traitor... I just have a problem with people that hate Bush just because it's "cool."