**** Religion?

[Metalhead Steve]

Well we wouldn't really know that over the internet now would we. If we did try to decide who was smarter there would be no guarantee that there would be no googling. So no you cannot say you are smarter than me just because I misread my post.

[Tool]

I guess I didn't read my own post hard enough, but still standing I didn't say that you were Satanic. Although I should have said something along the lines of anti-god or atheist there. Satanic wasn't my point, and that's not how it was meant to be taken. I just don't get how some people read past the point and see what doesn't really matter at all. A small mistake, got me there but still, you are a **** for making this thread.

You are a pu-ssy for getting offended by someone from Iowa. On the internet. Seriously dude. Get a *****. It's not even funny anymore how big of a ****ing pu-ssy you are.

Additional Comment:
Who the **** is Googling? I haven't used Google in any flame war I've ever done. And based on the fact that I have this special skill that you learn in school called COMPRE-****ING-HENSION I'm going to just go with me. You know, play it safe...

[Abazigal]

Did anybody even read my goddamned post? It was a ***** to type and it pisses me off you turds ignored it.

I provided the most scientifically backed and most logical scientific explination for all religions and spirituality.

I have read your post. Drugs and religion do seem to mix though. Christians use wine as the blood of Christ.

Actually, only a few ppl will learn more abt religion on this thread because this forum is populated by diablo addicts.

BTW, Diablo 2 contains scenes/names that may offend people of a certain religion. Christians are offended by the name diablo itself (my mom even banned me to play the game before), while hindus (I am not sure but it is an Indian religion that respects cows) will be angry when they see the cow level.

[Siris]

diablo baal and mephisto all mean devil in other languags....but ppl that get offend by games....

[yes.interesting]

i know nothing of lucy...so for all i know she could have died of desease...i have no idea... as for the link it quotes directly from the bible and they didnt make anything up. if i had a bible here i would look it up for you and quote it. how is saying they just made it up any proof? but dont start saying anything..whos this.. ill reread the article and see if i can figure it.as for the link you gave... it doesnt work.

as for metal he is refering to page 1...he took from ur post that you called him sataninc...dont say anything back to me because this is between you to

So, because YOU don't know anything about Lucy--which is quite surprising since it is easily top 10 most important discoveries of this century--it means that scientists' autopsy is incorrect? Disease affects the bone marrow. Scientists have no doubt that she died of old age.

That link was a sarcastic remark. The link you provided was a Christian site guessing that the ancient people estimated. The second half of the article fabricates that the ancient people purposefully measured the middle section of the conical shape and used that number to describe the circumference of the top, which is so outlandish that it doesn't make any sense. Imagine: I measure the middle of this concial shape and see that it's 9.65 meters, I then describe it as 10 meters, hoping that people who read my work will assume that I'm not talking about the section I measure, but the section above the section I measured. Dumb, isn't it?

[Siris]

well dont go on the article go on what i said which is in fact logical. as for lucy i said i dint know not that they are wrong.

Additional Comment:
is this acurate info of lucy that you have?
http://www.asu.edu/clas/iho/lucy.html

[yes.interesting]

Sure, thats a reliable source. I was incorrect about Lucy's autopsy, however, parts of the skeletons found around her, "First Family," were hominids like Lucy. According to Spielvogel (World History repub 2004) members of the "First Family" lived to be around 15-25.

Additionally, something very obvious occurred to me. I'll use your argument that in god's eyes, 1 day is a long time (to account for the 6 day thing). So, the first appearance of animals was 500 million years ago (http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/phyla/metazoafr.html) and god supposedly created them on the fourth day. Thus, 1 year is about 1.25 million years. The Jews were enslaved in Egypt rougly 4000 years ago, when Moses was born. Moses supposedly lived to be 120 years old which really equals 1.5 x 10^10 years old. Subtract 4000 years for the BCE and you get 1.4999 x 10^10 years old. So Moses is still alive? Didn't the bible say he died?

[Metalhead Steve]

Time was not an easy thing to percieve in ancient times. Days were easily lost and counting them would not have been an easy task. Not to mention the Gregorian Calendar may not have even existed back then. I don't know if it did, because I have no idea when it was founded. In this light, different calendars have different perceptions of time such as a year, day, and week. So who is to say he live 120 years? Someone check when the Gregorian Calendar was founded because I do not have the time. Nuff said, my theory. I'm pretty sure it wasn't around in biblical times though because of the insane amounts of time that people "lived." This would be a perfectly viable explanation for what you are arguing over.

[Siris]

Sure, thats a reliable source. I was incorrect about Lucy's autopsy, however, parts of the skeletons found around her, "First Family," were hominids like Lucy. According to Spielvogel (World History repub 2004) members of the "First Family" lived to be around 15-25.

Additionally, something very obvious occurred to me. I'll use your argument that in god's eyes, 1 day is a long time (to account for the 6 day thing). So, the first appearance of animals was 500 million years ago (http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/phyla/metazoafr.html) and god supposedly created them on the fourth day. Thus, 1 year is about 1.25 million years. The Jews were enslaved in Egypt rougly 4000 years ago, when Moses was born. Moses supposedly lived to be 120 years old which really equals 1.5 x 10^10 years old. Subtract 4000 years for the BCE and you get 1.4999 x 10^10 years old. So Moses is still alive? Didn't the bible say he died?

no what i mean is for god up in heaven 1 day for him is a long time for every1 else. for moses a day was a day just like every1 else. y i say a day gfor god is a long time is because it says 7 days later jesus will come for us...which is why mny ppl believe he will come soon.

Time was not an easy thing to percieve in ancient times. Days were easily lost and counting them would not have been an easy task. Not to mention the Gregorian Calendar may not have even existed back then. I don't know if it did, because I have no idea when it was founded. In this light, different calendars have different perceptions of time such as a year, day, and week. So who is to say he live 120 years? Someone check when the Gregorian Calendar was founded because I do not have the time. Nuff said, my theory. I'm pretty sure it wasn't around in biblical times though because of the insane amounts of time that people "lived." This would be a perfectly viable explanation for what you are arguing over.Time was not an easy thing to percieve in ancient times. Days were easily lost and counting them would not have been an easy task. Not to mention the Gregorian Calendar may not have even existed back then. I don't know if it did, because I have no idea when it was founded. In this light, different calendars have different perceptions of time such as a year, day, and week. So who is to say he live 120 years? Someone check when the Gregorian Calendar was founded because I do not have the time. Nuff said, my theory. I'm pretty sure it wasn't around in biblical times though because of the insane amounts of time that people "lived." This would be a perfectly viable explanation for what you are arguing over.

no thats not the calander that they used back then. the gregorian calander was switched to becaus eof the catholics (im pretty sure). sunday basicly means a day of worshop right? yes but not to god it was to the sun god...which i can explain but id take a while and i believe may not be worth the effort. however, if any1 would like to hear this ill be happy to explain it. very short version= the human called nimrod (noahs great grandson or something like that) supposedly became the sungod... december 25th is not jesuses birthday but actually nimrod's son's birthday.

[Metalhead Steve]

Not to mention the Gregorian Calendar may not have even existed back then

no thats not the calander that they used back then.

Finally something we can agree on. This explains peoples objections to biblical people leading extremely long lives. Who knows what calendar they used? Probably none of us, but we know for sure it wasn't the Gregorian calendar.

I remember something about a king instating the calendar and it would not surprise me if it was the Vatican that was behind it. Makes sense for once Siris.

[Siris]

the calander that they used was more situated i believe on the seasons.

Additional Comment:
if i could find a bible i would recite what it says about the longevity of ppl. but what i remember is it says and so'n'so lived for somany years and having so many children..

[Metalhead Steve]

Yes it does have a long verse of geneology of a few important figures in Genesis. I remember it because I have actually read it. Unlike some people who make threads with no points to argue.

[FraterPerdurabo]

So don't throw out their arguments just because there isn't hard evidence when you're trying to debate what is mythology and what is truth.

The bible is evidence, but it's not proof.

id like you to quote your first post

now the bible is not flawless (and i never at any point said it is flawless) but i havent seen any contridictions in the bible (which doesnt mean there arent any). and when i said what thy ate i was talking abiout waaay befor moses's time. but enough of about the food. maybe to start over you can list some contridictions you have seen or heard

There are many contradictions in the bible. As you know, the bible is mainly made up of the 4 gospels, and they disagree with each other on many things.

Shit happens. Shit happens we cannot explain. There's absolutely no ****ing sense in debating it. Especially stuff about religion.

If you don't want to argue on this topic, be our guest and leave this thread. Nobody is forcing you to post here. There is sense in debating it. How do you think mankind evolves? If people weren't always striveing to beat new puzzles, solve problems and situations, then we would constantly be living in the world of yesterday.

[Lux Aeterna]

The bible is evidence, but it's not proof.

How can something that can't be proven to be more than fiction of a man that liked to tell stories, be evidence of anything?

[FraterPerdurabo]

How can something that can't be proven to be more than fiction of a man that liked to tell stories, be evidence of anything?

www.dictionary.com

ev·i·dence
n.

1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment: The broken window was evidence that a burglary had taken place. Scientists weigh the evidence for and against a hypothesis.
2. Something indicative; an ******d sign: evidence of grief on a mourner's face.
3. Law. The documentary or oral statements and the material objects admissible as testimony in a court of law.

The bible is a book that has records of what happened about 2000 years ago. It does not PROVE anything, but it does serve as EVIDENCE as to what may have happened. Also, it has been PROVEN by scientists that, in fact, 2000 years ago, a man called Jesus lived and that he had many followers, yet no-one has been able to PROVE that he was the son of god.

If you still didn't quite get it, then:

according to evidence from sources, such as the bible, Jesus was the son of god. You then have to question the reliability of such pieces of evidence, question their motives, and the period of time in question. Bible is evidence of the idea that Jesus was the son of god, but evidence alone does not prove anything.

[Metalhead Steve]

How can something that can't be proven to be more than fiction of a man that liked to tell stories, be evidence of anything?

If you knew what you were talking about you would know the Bible isn't supposed to be taken in a literal sense.

[soulfly_NL]

Religion is a fair thing for people to believe in, up to certain standards.
The way the bible was written, leaves many things open to interpretation.
It is this interpretation that creates different views. Also, the bible is outdated.
Many things we have now, may have been considered 'satanic', if the bible has been written now. I will give an example:
I sometimes smoke ***.
*** is a drug. According to priests, *** is satanic. But does it state anywhere in the bible that I should not smoke ***? No it doesnt, because *** wasn't known in the Western World then. Now, if I were to be a catholic, and the priest would have told me to stop smoking *** because it was the will of god, should I listen to him, or stick to the bible?

The way I see it, is that the pure base of (christian, and many other) religions is good, like the rule "thou shalt not kill". But to try and comprehend and understand everything by religion, is just plain bullocks.

Another example:
The Evolution Theory.
This theory basically proved God did not create all living beings, in fact, he isn't even needed, let alone mentioned, by Darwin. The church then twisted this theory in such a way, that god was still the'supreme creator'. For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, it is called Intelligent Design.
It is basically the evolution theory, but instead of evolution happening at random and purely incidental, it is guided by an Intelligent Designer (or god).


This clearly shows that the religion of today is pure nonsense, but nonetheless I let people believe if they want to, as long as they don't try to convert me.

[xDBD]

I have read your post. Drugs and religion do seem to mix though. Christians use wine as the blood of Christ.

Actually, only a few ppl will learn more abt religion on this thread because this forum is populated by diablo addicts.

BTW, Diablo 2 contains scenes/names that may offend people of a certain religion. Christians are offended by the name diablo itself (my mom even banned me to play the game before), while hindus (I am not sure but it is an Indian religion that respects cows) will be angry when they see the cow level.

Drugs and religion are a mix? Are drugs and the human body a bad mix? n,n-DMT exists yes, naturally, in every one of us and in amlost every living thing ON THE PLANET. Yet, it's a schedule one chemical that can land youmore jailtime than killing your local bum.

It wasn't until Americanization that substance consumption was frowned upon, either. If you did opium or smoked cannabis back in the 1500s, you were normal, you just smoked junk. If you were an addict, you weren't shunned from society, kicked out your tribe, and sent to jail/rehabilitation. You were just an addict needing help.

Did you know ********* was illegalized because the Mexican immigrants during the Mexi-American war smoked it, and due to the fact that European AMericans are racist assholes, we illegalized the whole SPecie(s) Cannabis Indica and Cannabis Sativa, and the same law that illegalized it stands today?

Did you know that the Coca plant and it's pure extract (cocaina/cocaine) was illegalized because way back when, it was legal for whites to drink ethanol, but not blacks. In turn, they started doing cocaine as a recreational high. During this time, the police claimed it gave them superhuman strength (which, btw, is an obvious racially charged lie.) so they upped their gun caliber to a 9mm. Also, due to blacks using cocaine, it was placed as a scheduled drug and ultimately some time down the line almost eliminated from medicine, despite its obvious medicinal use. Crack cocaine was illegal by association; it is essentially freebase cocaine. However, due to the fact that, again, Blacks were using it specifically, it led to it's specific schedulization.

Did you know Opium and in turn, later heroin and other opiates, were scheduled to do racism, again? This time it was the Asians who immograted to AMerica and brought their opium smoking treditions with them. This pissed us, the racist ass hats off, so we scheduled that shit and persecuted another group of people pointlessly.

Let me not mention LSD, and how it wasn't scheduled until the hippie movement took hold. LSD is physically harmless and mentally harmless if taken under the right circumstances... yet, like DMT, you can kill a man and get off with less jailtime than posessing some lysergic acid. God forbid you manufacture such a beautiful chemical, god forbid, you're ****ed.

Psilocybian mushrooms and peyote were scheduled due to Natives using them for spiritual purposes. Nevermind the fact they've been doing it peacefully and harmlessly for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, for religious purposes, we scheduled that shit way up there, resulting in most cases in jail time.


What the hell am I saying? Drug laws, drug stigmas against users/abusers/supporters, and any negative drug connotations are, to be frank, total and complete bullshit. Every drug law on the book was created out of jealousy and racism, not out of danger and are therefore null and fxckin' void.(not saying some drugs aren't dangerious, just how they were scheduled). Anything discrediting my posts on drugs due to the legality of them will now be total and complete bullshit due to this post.

Early religious people, ESPECIALLY Buddhists, CHristians, and Islams, indulged in drug use. Alcohol, cannabis, and Amanita Muscaria mushrooms were commonly consumed. A. Muscaria was even dubbed 'Soma' by the early settlers of the region.

Get your history and facts straight before attacking me. I wouldn't post somethin' like that if it was bullshit, ya year?

[SpoonMan999]

Another example:
The Evolution Theory.
This theory basically proved God did not create all living beings, in fact, he isn't even needed, let alone mentioned, by Darwin. The church then twisted this theory in such a way, that god was still the'supreme creator'. For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, it is called Intelligent Design.
It is basically the evolution theory, but instead of evolution happening at random and purely incidental, it is guided by an Intelligent Designer (or god).


This clearly shows that the religion of today is pure nonsense, but nonetheless I let people believe if they want to, as long as they don't try to convert me.

Maybe someone who knows the theory a bit better can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Darwin said evolution was incidental. I believe evolution was supposed to be the result of a creature gaining strengths that apply to climate or terrain changes wasn't it? The creature has a rough time living on rock so it's offspring are born with claws that help them cling to rock and etc... Of course it's not an over night thing and I don't think the creatures are aware of it but I don't think he said it was incidental. It's adaptation, not a random occurance.

[xDBD]

Maybe someone who knows the theory a bit better can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Darwin said evolution was incidental. I believe evolution was supposed to be the result of a creature gaining strengths that apply to climate or terrain changes wasn't it? The creature has a rough time living on rock so it's offspring are born with claws that help them cling to rock and etc... Of course it's not an over night thing and I don't think the creatures are aware of it but I don't think he said it was incidental. It's adaptation, not a random occurance.

Correct. Unlike most people believe, evolution is not the overnight change from monkeys to modern homo sapiens. It's a gradual change that's triggered by diet changes, climate changes, habitat changes, and various needs by the evolving subject. It can take thousands, hell maybe millions of years for a notible trait to evolve, but it happens. Look at pythons with the stub, which we believe is a leg from when they were full blown land animals, legs and all. Evolution basically states we all have a common.. or a better word is "simple," starting point and we all work our way up from there over a long, long period of time.

Also, there is theories stating that now that humans are at a point where we can adapt our environment to our needs (and not vica-versa, us adapting to the changing environment, we change it ourselves) evolution has stopped. Now that we can force the environment to our liking/need, we no longer need to change, so we may have successfully stopped evolution.

It pisses me off when people like my Mom hate on evolution. SHe thinks that something mysteriously changed Monkeys to Humans overnight and anyone who believes evolution is an idiot. That's just not so; we gradually changed from Monkey to Caveman to Civilized Caveman to the Village idiot, to the medieval idiot, to the modern idiot, etc.

It takes time. I think anyone who blows off evolution for any reason is just plain stupid.