**** Religion?

[Lux Aeterna]

If you knew what you were talking about you would know the Bible isn't supposed to be taken in a literal sense.

Sigh, don't make asumptions please. I've said it before, comprehend my words, don't comment on or about me unless you've read all my posts.
Now, when did I EVER say to take it literal? Stop being such an idiot.
Now, listen to what I DID say, I said that the Bible claims things that happened very long ago. It claims these things, and expects people to follow and believe it's teachings.
Now, it claims to be true, the bible doesn't admit any part of itself is fiction. Therefore; its supposed to be fact, right? Comprehend this. Facts need backups, proof, where is my proof, and as I said evidence that some rambeling madman just didn't write a book, call it the "Bible" and hundreds of years later, some king found it, thought it was a book that held things that took place years and years ago, and forced his people to believe in it's teachings, now obviously this is a very wild and probably not true theory, but it 's obviously possable just as the fact that it's possable it is 100% legitimate, and God does exist. But I'm saying without cold hard fact we cannot and will not know, this is why I choose not to believe, adding to the before-mentioned personal reasons.

[DeStRuCtIoN]

yes, spoonman is right, people evolve due to needs by changes. when something changes, other things change to go along with it. ie. now that humans are wearing wollen coats and thicks cotton clothing we have lost much of our ape ancestors hair. thus becoming balder.

[DJ_MUTTA]

Yes, i think the most religions are useless like christianity.
I mean that they dont have any evidence for jesus was gods son or yes maybe if you call a book that they dont have any evidence that god told who'ever to whrite the bible.
My point is that i could make a religion based on loveing your computer and it would make more sense.

[Siris]

actually, though many ppl today dont, it was supposed to be taken back then very literially.

[xDBD]

actually, though many ppl today dont, it was supposed to be taken back then very literially.

If that's the case I want to see you sacrafise your firsrt born "son" to this 'god' in the bible on a thought that just happens to come on a whim

[Siris]

ya ok i dont think that is in the bible except for the plagues

[Crimson_Brilliance010]

No I believe he might be talking about Abraham.

[DaCougarMech]

yes, spoonman is right, people evolve due to needs by changes. when something changes, other things change to go along with it. ie. now that humans are wearing wollen coats and thicks cotton clothing we have lost much of our ape ancestors hair. thus becoming balder.

not entirely accurate. the trait for baldness did not come as a response to artificial clothing. it was a just a recessive trait that was no longer selected against when clothing was invented so it can now spread among the population without making its carriers die of hypothermia. i imagine that after the ice age, hairiness was selected against when the climate warmed up again.

this may be wrong but it seems to me that some of you do not fully understand evolution and natural selection. animals do not respond to environmental changes by birthing offspring with favorable traits. it's really all random chance due to mutations. mutations are changes to the genetic structure of an animal. most of the time the changes are neither beneficial nor harmful because it affects dna sequences that do not contribute to making proteins or are copies. however, when mutation does affect a sequence that is used, it pushes that species one more step toward evolution, provided that the mutated organism successfully reproduces. suppose that this mutated animal mates with another mutated animal. by random chance, some of the gametes that meet contain the slight base pair change. if the accumulated changes can code for a protein, then another step in evolution has been made. now suppose that this has been going on for millions of years. after millions of years of subtle base pair changes and creation of proteins, two animals finally mate and their gametes just happen to make an offspring whose genes code for proteins that help create light sensitive cells. now that these few offspring have light sensitive cells, they can better avoid predators and survive to reproduce. unfortunately, the organisms without light sensitive cells will die due to being outcompeted by the those with it. as time goes on, more mutations will create better eyes and those with better eyes will outcompete those with worse. and thus, a continuing process that leads up to eyes like ours.

evolution is not the deliberate birthing of better offspring. it is the mutation and survival rates of different offspring based on their dna

[Siris]

evolution occurs when the enviorment or other situations change. gradually the offspring of each generation change. mutation usually refers to a masive change in some1s dna. like maybe a toxic reaction or something. in other words evolution is the natural process and mutation is caused by a not so natural process.

[DaCougarMech]

no duh. and what do you think environmental changes act on? the environment acts on traits of organisms to test its survival ability. if a species did not vary in alleles, it would be completely decimated. what's the source of variability? the source of all variability is mutation. without mutation, there would be no such thing as red, blond, brunette hair. it would all be the same color
and mutation is perfectly natural. it goes hand in hand with evolution because without mutation causing genetic variability, a single virus could wipe out an entire species. but with mutation, organisms that possess a different gene would survive and live to reproduce, making that entire species different now because of natural selection.

read a science book, siris. everything i say is in there

[Karant]

Religion makes people do crazy things. If you wish to minimize all of the crazies, minimize religion...

[FraterPerdurabo]

no duh. and what do you think environmental changes act on? the environment acts on traits of organisms to test its survival ability. if a species did not vary in alleles, it would be completely decimated. what's the source of variability? the source of all variability is mutation. without mutation, there would be no such thing as red, blond, brunette hair. it would all be the same color
and mutation is perfectly natural. it goes hand in hand with evolution because without mutation causing genetic variability, a single virus could wipe out an entire species. but with mutation, organisms that possess a different gene would survive and live to reproduce, making that entire species different now because of natural selection.

read a science book, siris. everything i say is in there

Sometimes, it does not take thousand of years for a mutation to occur. I am not entirely sure that I am talking about the same thing, but I learned this in Biology lessons back at school. When a farmer uses a certain insecticide on his crop, about 99.5% of all the targeted insects will die. The ones that survive, (the fittest) will reproduce at a very fast rate (they are insects after all), and when the farmer uses the same insecticide another time, he will only manage to eliminate about 5% of the same insects. That's why it is important to changed insecticides when farming.

[xDBD]

ya ok i dont think that is in the bible except for the plagues

Yeah it is. I learned it in Sunday School. This 'god' sent a message to some guy to kill his first born son in the name of him, for no real reason other than to test his loyalty. If memory serves correct, he almost did it but stopped at the last minute. I think god told him not too. Would YOU bring your first born to the altar of sacrafise and decapitate him in the name of your god?

[Bloodangel26]

Would YOU bring your first born to the altar of sacrafise and decapitate him in the name of your god?

2 words....**** that

[xDBD]

Yeah I also learned in this same chuch that all "Nigxers" are to go to hell along with the jews and we weren't really supposed to save them because they didn't believe in Jesus.


The chuch I went to as a child really broke me from religion. I think it even broke my parents, they haven't been to church in as long as I haven't.

[Bloodangel26]

my parents never took me to church...i feel fortunate

[SpoonMan999]

DCM, we're talking about Darwin's theory...that creatures adapt to their environments not only by changing lift styles to better fit a new climate but also physically. If a creature lives in a cold climate but has very little to no fur then chances are it's off spring will be born with better protection to the cold, maybe not it's immeadiate offspring but there will be significant changes down the line.

[Motorbreath]

I believe the reason you people attack religion is because you desire a nice life, you envy those who look forward to waking up to a new day. You have friends and family, but your alone and you know it. For this I feel pitty for you.

[CheshireCat]

Personally, I think all religion is plain BS. But at the same time, I'm glad it's around. Just think, what would this world be like if people weren't afraid of going to hell? A whole shitload worse than it is already, guaranteed.

[Lux Aeterna]

Just think, what would this world be like if people weren't afraid of going to hell? A whole shitload worse than it is already, guaranteed.

How many wars were declaired in the name of a God, or how many lives rather have been taken because of a belief. Obviously none in the pass 200~ years, but MORE THAN PLENTY back in the days of Joan of Arc, the Romans / Greeks, et cetera.