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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartender
    He's gonna say windy, but his build which is 99/99 could be easily beat by a bvc that actually is smart and uses his leap.
    What I would say is an all arounder is a bvc with some minor stat adjustments to use items like ss, to achive max block and lots of dr vs melee characters
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    Barbarian vs caster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine
    Hey frater, what is the best dueling character BESIDES a paladin in your opinion?
    I'd say that assassin is the best. Better than Paladin. For GM duels, that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartender
    He's gonna say windy, but his build which is 99/99 could be easily beat by a bvc that actually is smart and uses his leap.
    What I would say is an all arounder is a bvc with some minor stat adjustments to use items like ss, to achive max block and lots of dr vs melee characters
    I use 163%/99% vs casters, since you need max block vs barbs. I wouldn't say that I get beaten so easily. There's only 1 bvc in Europe that has beaten me, and he's the best on the realm. No-one else has even come close.

    bvc is a fun build but it sucks for pub ownage, because you need different gear vs different chars.

    edit: Anyway, let's keep the spam to a minimum. If you are not asking for a build guide and want to continue the discussion please PM me.

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    Wat kinda sassy would I use?

    Is that guy that beat you #1 on the ladder, or are you guys non ladder?
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    i have a cs zon and can't afford a jmod quiet yet and was wondering if it was worth it to pump all the dex to get to max block? currently useing spirit // 20/-20 monarch

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    whaqts gear setup for a perm 200fcr sorc? fireball

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    u guys DO know that we still have GUIDES in the other parts of the forum, such as a 200fcr fber guide..
    and digitalis, get enough dex for max block while using SS. and use ss when dueling barbs or other melee (for dr and block) till u get a jmod
    and divine that would probably a trapper/ww sin. frater can get into the details for u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine
    Wat kinda sassy would I use?

    Is that guy that beat you #1 on the ladder, or are you guys non ladder?
    That guys is #1 on Europe, he's got #1 barb on Ladder and NL.

    I think that the best is hybrid ww/trapper, however, you need to be extremely rich to make a very good one, so let me know if that's what you want to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiGiTaLiS
    i have a cs zon and can't afford a jmod quiet yet and was wondering if it was worth it to pump all the dex to get to max block? currently useing spirit // 20/-20 monarch
    No, definately don't do that, you will need psycho amounts of DEX for max block with Spirit or a regular 20/20, so like L4E said, use Stormshield, or forget about it for the time being.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghammer
    whaqts gear setup for a perm 200fcr sorc? fireball
    Perm 200fcr sorc? I presume this is for PvP?

    Helm: 2sorc 20%fcr +mods (preferrably +STR) Shaeled, if you have 2 sox, use 2 Shaels
    Armor: perf Viper upped
    Weapon: Eschuta perf fire with 5/5, or HOTO (if you lack resists)
    Shield: Spirit Monarch 35%FCR
    Amulet: +2sorc 15%+fcr amu with mods (preferrably +STR)
    Gloves: Magefists
    Belt: Arach
    Boots: Treks
    Rings: 2x10%fcr ring with mods (preferrably +STR)

    So:
    Circlet 20
    Viper 30
    Amu 15
    Spirit 35
    Hoto/Eschuta 40
    Arach 20
    Mages 20
    Rings 20

    Alternatively, you could use Wizzy instead of Hoto/Eschuta, therefore you can use SoJ instead of another FCR ring, but it's up to you.

    Skills: Standard fire sorc skills, max em out and throw rest into Hydra.

    FHR aim is 86%, you get 55%from spirit, 20 from circlet (or 40 if 2 sox), anyway, make up for whatever you need with a 12%FHR skillers or 5%FHR scs. Fill inv with with skillers, anni, torch, rest are 20life +resi scs.

    I think that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartender
    Question : Should I use hel widow maker? Or nef widowmaker? Do I have to get 2x ravens if I use widowmaker?
    like frater said:
    UM is what oyu would really like to go to reach optimal OWs, however, if you can't UM it, either Hel it or -15/res/str/dex jewel works very well. shoot for the UM

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    Quote Originally Posted by commandwolf
    what is a ghost sin and how do u make one (can u explain gear too)
    ww/trap

    i've never made one but here's what I can tell you.

    1. they are extremely good PvP GM duels, however they will always lose to a BvB or any other high def / high DR / high dmg char
    2. they are extremely expensive (claws/helm/rings/ammy)
    3. you have to be very skilled at PvP to be successful with them
    the claws would look something like this: +3traps/20-40IAS/+2assasin with 2os.
    the helm would be a +2/20fcr/20-30FRW/Visionary/Res/Str/Dex
    the ammy would be a +2/5-15fcr/dex/str/res
    the rings (to my knowledge) would be similar to a BvC's (fcr/ar/dex/str/res) though not sure if they use sojs/bks/ravens/etc

    you would either go Light Sentry or WoF (which is the most underated skill in the game).

    now that i think about it, you will need a Chaos for the WW, so not sure if people go Chaos/Fury or Chaos/the claw mentioned above. anyways, you go enimga, dancers/treks/gores and use MB, WW, Trap to stunlock your opponent. some sins use Widow on switch like a BvC would. try looking on b.net forums for a ghostsin guide, they are very difficult to be very good at, they are costly yet very fun from what i hear.
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    how many points should i puut into holy sheild 4 a v/t pally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxrulex13
    how many points should i puut into holy sheild 4 a v/t pally?
    1.
    And use Zaka instead of Exile.

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    Yea, frater ill do that :)
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    one more question lol, what type of charms should i get? pcombs and lifers?

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    Get pcombs that have life on them. -__-

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxrulex13
    one more question lol, what type of charms should i get? pcombs and lifers?
    Yeah, definately get pcombs with lifers, you need as much of a bonus to Holy Shield and FoH as possible.

    Just looking at the build that I wrote for you, it lacks FHR so will be slightly underpowered. Definately use CoA instead of Shako and use Shadow Dancers instead of Goreriders (tradeoff ^^?), then get 2xpcombs with 12%FHR and 1x5%FHR sc, which will net you the 86%FHR breakpoint. It's quite important in PvP. Remember that you also have 2 open sockets in CoA, so use them productively (Ber if need extra DR%, Shaels if need extra FHR).

    Quote Originally Posted by Divine
    Yea, frater ill do that :)
    Ok this build is centered around the equipment that you manage to get hold of. Main skills:
    20 Shock Web
    20 Charged Bolt Sentry
    20 Lightning Sentry
    20 Death Sentry

    Other skills that you will need:
    Claw Mastery = have a decent amount here
    Claw Block = put enough points into this so that you will get 60%chance to block with all of your gear on.
    Mind Blast = get a claw with Mind Blast on it when making your Chaos
    Fade = same as Mind Blast
    Shadow Master = same

    Now, if you have extra skillpoints, I'd recommend throwing them all into Fade. Fade is important because of DR% and resi, it should be your main active skill.

    Equipment:
    Helm: CoA with 2x-15%req/15@ jewel (if you have enough STR for CoA and won't need -req, consider putting a Shael in your CoA).
    Amu: +2 Assa 15%+FCR +mods (STR and DEX are imporant)
    Armor: Enigma
    Belt: Arach
    Gloves: Trangs/Mages (cr is nice but this build tends to be low on mana)
    Boots: Goreriders, but Shadow Dancers are a good option because of skills, extra DEX and crazy FHR. Your choice. Remember that you will have to reach the 86%FHR breakpoint with all gear and charms.
    Ring1: 10%FCR +mods (STR, DEX, resi)
    Ring2: SoJ/Raven/rare stat ring, etc (SoJ if you are constantly running out of mana, but Raven is probably the better option due to absorb and awesome AR)
    Claw1: Chaos in Greater Talon, recommended base +3 LS +1 MB
    Claw2: Fury is a good option here due to OW

    The best option for claw2 would be rare claw with some skills, Fool's mod, eth with self-repair, etc, but you probably won't be able to afford those.

    Sorry about taking so long to answer, have been a little busy. I'm not sure that this is 100% correct, so I'm going to recalculate some breakpoints and let you know Take care.

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    i need hybrid ww/LS sin guide pls

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    im pretty experienced with guides also so let me know if you need any help Frater

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    Quote Originally Posted by omgbbq
    i need hybrid ww/LS sin guide pls
    Not trying to be rude, but open your ****ing eyes and look at the post above yours. Sheesh.

    Thanks Infected, but at the moment it seems like I can handle all the requests, if it gets overcrowded I'll let you know

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    u mean post 35 is the ww/ls build?

    and for a pure smiter, is upped hoz better than e vortex exile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by omgbbq
    u mean post 35 is the ww/ls build?
    So it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by omgbbq
    and for a pure smiter, is upped hoz better than e vortex exile?
    Exile is BM so stick to upped HoZ.

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