Gangstas...

[Metalhead Steve]

I made this thread because I felt that in another thread the conversation was going to get very heated....

Because if you grow up in those neighborhoods its either be like that, or get your ass kicked or killed. What would you choose? On top of that what sort of job do you think you are going to get, what sort of education you think you get from the ghetto? You think that someone is going to give you a job if you are a black guy from compton? The likelyhood is slim.

That is a cop out. I know your thinking realism but if people help themselves then they wouldn't have to ***** about being from the ghetto. If people teamed up and drove the gangs out, tried harder on their education, or did ANYTHING remotely proactive I'm sure they would be coming from a much better place than the "ghetto."

Trust me I know about being poor, I was homeless for 4 years of my life, so if you haven't been there then don't try to debate the subject with me...

Saying you'll never be anything because your from the ghetto is like an emo saying they cut themselves because of other people. People from this life should not use it as an excuse, there are scholarships, grants, and programs all designed to help these people they just never take the time to utilize these resources.

I almost want to rant onto the subject of emos but that is for another day.

[Z3R0]

I lived in L.A. for about five years when I was a teenager. One of the first things I learned was, it's a dog eat dog world. There is no right from wrong, real or fake when your survival is at stake. Most people that end up robbing and such, do so to fill their pockets, but a lot have to do so to put food on the table. I don't promote acting like a "thug" or a "gangsta". Yet, people will be who they choose to be, and sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. That is my outlook on it.

[Pamela]

Help is not always as easy to get as you make it sound.Discrimination and bias just by the people you are seeking help from can often hinder this. I grew up very poor and my family was on welfare a few time,as well as foodstamps.We were also at times homeless and lived with relatives.I shopped at thrift stores and wore clothes that cost 50 cents to school,as well as hand-me-downs from relatives. It did not stop me from bettering myself ,or graduating at the top of my class in High School. I used to work 2 jobs to help pay bills and bring food home for the family.

[Metalhead Steve]

@ Pam

Then this would make you an example of being poor and making something of yourself. Maybe the help is not as easy as it seems to get but it is still a cop out to think you "must" be a gangsta if you are from the "ghetto."

Also when I think of gangsters, I don't think of street gangs. I think of the mafia, running everything. These gangstas, especially where I'm at, on not even a bad side of town are horrible. Most of them are whiteboys who want to fit in. I am sorry but if you care that much what other people think of you, you have a problem. I could give a shit less, because I am me, and I KNOW I am the shit.

[Jordanv78]

I made this thread because I felt that in another thread the conversation was going to get very heated....



That is a cop out. I know your thinking realism but if people help themselves then they wouldn't have to ***** about being from the ghetto. If people teamed up and drove the gangs out, tried harder on their education, or did ANYTHING remotely proactive I'm sure they would be coming from a much better place than the "ghetto."

Trust me I know about being poor, I was homeless for 4 years of my life, so if you haven't been there then don't try to debate the subject with me...

Saying you'll never be anything because your from the ghetto is like an emo saying they cut themselves because of other people. People from this life should not use it as an excuse, there are scholarships, grants, and programs all designed to help these people they just never take the time to utilize these resources.

I almost want to rant onto the subject of emos but that is for another day.

You sir, I respect you as a member on this forum. But there are certain things that I disagree about with you. This is one of them. Have you ever even been to the ghetto? Have you dared to walk into one? Im sure you haven't because your views on this are so twisted. Let me just say one thing that people that live in the ghetto have limited opportunities plain and simple. There is no way that you can dispute that.
There are some people that want to be gang members to be cool, I will give you that...But MOST of them do it because of necessity. If you can't get a job because of where you live, or you can but the only one you can get pays you 7$ an hour how the hell are you going to pay your bills. Its a dog eat dog world out there my friend, and those people don't have parents or relatives bailing them out of problems. So lets see, I have no money, a shitty job, and the world doesn't care about me...what am I going to do? The answer would be whatever I had to...to take care of myself and my family. Plain and simple, and you would be the same way. The success storys of people getting out of the ghetto are few and far between. Why do you think that is? Do you think these people like having to look over their shoulder that at any point a person can run up to them and kill them?

@ Pam

Then this would make you an example of being poor and making something of yourself. Maybe the help is not as easy as it seems to get but it is still a cop out to think you "must" be a gangsta if you are from the "ghetto."

Also when I think of gangsters, I don't think of street gangs. I think of the mafia, running everything. These gangstas, especially where I'm at, on not even a bad side of town are horrible. Most of them are whiteboys who want to fit in. I am sorry but if you care that much what other people think of you, you have a problem. I could give a shit less, because I am me, and I KNOW I am the shit.

You are so diluted in your feelings on the issue. If you live in an area where you join these people, or you constantly live in fear of either, 1. being robbed on a constant basis, 2. getting the shit kicked out of you because you don't fit in, or 3. getting killed anyways? You live in freaking Kansas have you even been exposed to this sort of atmosphere? I will tell you my friend, come up to Chicago and go to the Ghetto some time and just hang out for awhile and tell me that you want to go there. Or live there for any length of time. And the truth is you look at it and say that no one in their right mind would want to be there, the people who do included!

[Crimson_Brilliance010]

I made this thread because I felt that in another thread the conversation was going to get very heated....



That is a cop out. I know your thinking realism but if people help themselves then they wouldn't have to ***** about being from the ghetto. If people teamed up and drove the gangs out, tried harder on their education, or did ANYTHING remotely proactive I'm sure they would be coming from a much better place than the "ghetto."

Trust me I know about being poor, I was homeless for 4 years of my life, so if you haven't been there then don't try to debate the subject with me...

Saying you'll never be anything because your from the ghetto is like an emo saying they cut themselves because of other people. People from this life should not use it as an excuse, there are scholarships, grants, and programs all designed to help these people they just never take the time to utilize these resources.

I almost want to rant onto the subject of emos but that is for another day.

You know, that's true, but there wouldn't have to be a need for that if the system was equal towards all in the first place. Don't you know that there are STILL undercover systems and loopholes to keep some groups of people from earning what they SHOULD be earning so that providing for an education and blah blah blah wouldn't be so impossible?

[FrogMan]

South Africa is also a tough place to live in especially Johannesburg in districts like hillbrow(considered ones of the most dangerous places on earth), poverty is everywhere and violent crimes here is strong. I just can see that 90% of the time people find it easier to resort to crime rather than uplift themselves out of their situation.

[Tap]

hey if the morons cant pay their bills on $7 dollars an hour, heres an idea.

Sell your ****ing Escalade with 24" rims.
Throw Away your cell phone
Break your beeper
Stop doing drugs
Dont drink your Shitty 40 ouncers


I think its bullshit to say that some single person cant live off 7 dollars an hour.

Its easy, just dont live like your a millionare

All these gangbangers complain about not being able to feed their family, but ill be damn if they do without some of the shit i listed above.
People are retarded.

[Z3R0]

Some people look for the here and now, not the long term possibility I suppose. For instance, you can steal a car, but did you think about what you were going to do when it is reported stolen and you see blue and red lights in the rearview? A lot of people resort to crime out of want/need of material possesion. I know if it came to the point where I had resort to a less then honorable method to survive, I'd damn sure do it. Not that I would enjoy it or would be proud of it, but you have to do what you have to do.

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@ Tap:

I just moved down to South Florida to attend college here. I just got a new job at a grocery store where they are starting me off at $7/hr. My rent is $499 a month, I have a Moterola Trakfone, no cable, no house phone, and I barely have enough money to buy groceries. Here, the 89 cent six packs of Ramen Noodles come in handy. I'm not living rich, I'm just doing the best I can, trying to get my higher education.

[Jordanv78]

hey if the morons cant pay their bills on $7 dollars an hour, heres an idea.

Sell your ****ing Escalade with 24" rims.
Throw Away your cell phone
Break your beeper
Stop doing drugs
Dont drink your Shitty 40 ouncers


I think its bullshit to say that some single person cant live off 7 dollars an hour.

Its easy, just dont live like your a millionare

All these gangbangers complain about not being able to feed their family, but ill be damn if they do without some of the shit i listed above.
People are retarded.

This whole post was racist and stereotypical. Every person in the ghetto doesn't drive an escalade. ROFL. But obviously you get your opinions from Movies or something. You cannot live off of 7$ an hour in any urban setting my friend. Simple math in my head that comes to less than 10k a year after taxes and shit like that. You try to live that way with no one helping you and tell me how your turn out.

[Metalhead Steve]

Dude, I have been to the north side of KC, it may not be the hardest but it is the ghetto.

And why are gangstas so materialistic? If your dirt poor then why do you rap about having a Lexus and slinging crack? It is a situation you can help yourself out of.

I was watching Nightline last night...
These Christian black males from Sudan were driven out by the Muslim government because if they didn't leave they would be killed. The WALKED all the way to Kenya. 3 of them got to come to America and they were saying things like, "Why do Americans want so much, they have everything?" These are guys who had never used electricity or even heard of a shower before, but they helped themselves and their situation was alot worse than a ghetto. Try getting an AK in the face and starving to death and watching your friends die of ebola. At least in the ghetto there are food stamps.

If these people can get out then gangstas should definetely be able to get out.

[Jordanv78]

its a total different set of circumstances. So the comparison is very limited.

The truth is how many people are gonna hire a guy whos address is from compton, or certain areas on the South Side of Chicago? How many jobs do you think there are to be had in those neighborhoods. Do you realize that it is really hard to get a job now adays if you have a felony on your record? And writing a back check can be a felony...trust me it happend to my cousin. How good do you think the schools are in the ghettos? Do you think that they are a good learning envoirnment? .....No they aren't.
The truth is that you are some how grouping rap music together with the ghetto. Those guys are telling stories about how they made it out and the nice stuff they have because they have never had nice things...I guess. The truth is its not any different than rock music glorifying their crap. It all comes around to the same.

But Im just saying bro. Look at this story about a person who lives on minimum wage, and tell me that you wouldn't consider other things to suppliment your income.
My week living on the minimum wage

[Metalhead Steve]

Dude, do not think I do not know how it is to live on a meager income. I WAS HOMELESS FOR 4 YEARS OF MY LIFE. I would say I have a good idea of what it was like, and what I did not have. I have always been and I still am the poorest of my friends. The thing is a felony on your record is your fault and noone elses. Everything that you mention is preventable and or overcame with hardships. Believe me I am more than thankful for my home, I may live in a trailer park (yes, a trailer park begin the flames) but I wake up everyday and feel lucky. They should be the same way because they don't live in a jungle or in the desert.

[Jordanv78]

What you are failing to understand is some of these ghettos in the US are worse than the jungle. Its like every man for himself and shyt like that. I am assuming that since you were homeless for 4 years that you did some things that weren't legal. So don't act like you don't understand how a person could get caught up.

[Z3R0]

Don't take it all from one perspective. Look at the older generations, doing what they saw when they were little. Now, the younger generation is seeing the same thing, except, every generation it evolves to a higher level of violence, descrimination, and poverty. Rappers rap about selling drugs, killing people, robbing and then wonder why all the little kids go out and do it. Do the rappers always do what they talk about, sometimes, but most of the time it is a big show. Well, the younger generation see them driving fancy cars, living it up and go out and imitate the older generation. Ditching school to stand on the corner and sell homemade heroin. It isn't all the goverments fault, though they seem to be trying to do little to resolve economical issues. Poloticions will worry about themselves and polotics. It is up to the people to look out for the people, yet, are we doing that, or the exact opposite?

[Metalhead Steve]

For all I give a shit we can nuke the ****ing ghetto. And of course I have done things illegal, shoplifting all that. Man what I am trying to say is it is a choice, get a job save money until you finally have enough to do what you want. There is a way for everyone to make it and these people do not use theirs, they take the easy way out.

[Jordanv78]

Well I am assuming since you have been homeless and done that crap you would imagine how hard it is go get caught into that crap and how you are a product of your enviornment. THERE IS NO SAVING MONEY IF YOU MAKE MINIMUM WAGE BRO!
What you keep skipping is it is hard to get a job when you live in the ghetto, much less the fact that there aren't that many jobs. I feel for the people who do work hard and can't afford to eat, much less anything else.
I get the feeling that this thread is more based on your hatred/racism and the stereotypes than your distaste for Gang Members.

[Metalhead Steve]

Hmm... Getting a job based on where you live, wouldn't that be discrimination? Maybe they should file a class action lawsuit.

And dude they are intolerable... Why fight over the color you wear? They hinder their own progress. What I'm saying is instead of fighting each other why don't they help each other and make it out of the ghetto.

[Jordanv78]

Who knows, why do people fight about anything?

Have you ever got a job before bro? I mean come on the work place discriminates about all sorts of things. They can get passed it buy saying hey, I didn't hire him/her because I found someone more qualified.

[Crimson_Brilliance010]

its a total different set of circumstances. So the comparison is very limited.

The truth is how many people are gonna hire a guy whos address is from compton, or certain areas on the South Side of Chicago? How many jobs do you think there are to be had in those neighborhoods. Do you realize that it is really hard to get a job now adays if you have a felony on your record? And writing a back check can be a felony...trust me it happend to my cousin. How good do you think the schools are in the ghettos? Do you think that they are a good learning envoirnment? .....No they aren't.
The truth is that you are some how grouping rap music together with the ghetto. Those guys are telling stories about how they made it out and the nice stuff they have because they have never had nice things...I guess. The truth is its not any different than rock music glorifying their crap. It all comes around to the same.

But Im just saying bro. Look at this story about a person who lives on minimum wage, and tell me that you wouldn't consider other things to suppliment your income.
My week living on the minimum wage

F*ck that! Did you know that there are no jobs from the big corporations because they are making deals with the prisons to use prisoners as free labor? But, I geuss you can't REALLY call it free, seeing as how all the "services" availible to those in prison are paid for... with our tax dollars.

Now I just started a train of thought, someone else jump on and finish it intelligently... and accurately.