Legal or Illegal

[Mr. Fabulous]

Rapists usually get out on parole about three year's after they are convicted, it's just a revolving door prison. You're really only in for the long haul if you've commited a crime 3 time's or more of any serious crimes Rape, Murder and anything having to do with drug's usually although the system is finally getting touger on sex crime's which are worse then murder if you ask me.

[Tichondrius_87]

I think cigarettes should be banned and pot should be legalized. Pot doesn't do as much damage as cigarettes or alcohol yet pot is illegal? That doesn't make sense to me. I think that resriction on drugs is a good thing but they can be very over zealous and spend more focus on drugs than things that are a bit more important.

i would agree with you, except that marijuana alters the mindset of a human being, much like alcohol, except to a greater degree. also, we're trying to fight obesity in america. legalization of pot would make it worse. anyways, marijuana does damage as well, and tobacco itself is not as harmful as the stuff used to cure it. I'm not a smoking advocate, but it does serve its purpose: natural selection:eek:, stimulation of the economy (lots of money goes into not only the selling of cigs, but also keeping people alive whilst they're in the hospital), and several other dealies.

[[/sarcasm]]

Well.. If you've got possession of drugs, the charges aren't that severe... It's only if you've got 'intent to traffic' that it's become serious.

[Darkstar909]

I say legalize drugs but keep it in a controlled area i dont want everyone i see to be smoking or w.e...

[Corona_Time]

I say no to all of it, take it from someone who has lost a brother to some dumb mother f'r that was stoned and driving. All it took was for him to be driving down our road at 3p.m. while my bro was riding his bike on the "sidewalk". You can imagine the rest.

[qweeve]

Corona, sorry to hear about your brother. A lot of people are saying no because of people driving while doing them. It is a given that that is wrong. Although people do get killed and injurred by people driving under the influence, most are alcohol related. More people cause accidents from being deprived of sleep in the U.S. than cause them from smoking pot. Driving too fast is also a bigger killer than driving while high(on weed). What I'm saying is, if I want to do it in my house, should I be allowed to?

[Corona_Time]

Much agreed Qweeve, I'm not gonna b completely right sided and as I just posted a few minutes ago on the drinking age one, you do have exceptions to the rule. The mindset is "if" you did legalize drugs and I would agree crime rates as far as joe going out and killing hector for a dime bag would potentially b reduced. On the other hand as with drinking being legal and yes I drink, if you legalize drugs I'm sure the incidents would also increase. I guess what I don't understand is why people or youth in todays era are so quick to grow up and act older than they really need to. Believe me the more responsibilty given the higher the penalty. Enjoy being young. Man I would give anything to go back to the younger days say 15 years ago, not have bills or more free time and no worries lil hotties running around everywhere (ya know poppin it for the first time). Anyways enough on the soap box.

[Obfuscate]

i would agree with you, except that marijuana alters the mindset of a human being, much like alcohol, except to a greater degree. also, we're trying to fight obesity in america. legalization of pot would make it worse. anyways, marijuana does damage as well, and tobacco itself is not as harmful as the stuff used to cure it. I'm not a smoking advocate, but it does serve its purpose: natural selection:eek:, stimulation of the economy (lots of money goes into not only the selling of cigs, but also keeping people alive whilst they're in the hospital), and several other dealies.

1.) Cigs will kill alot faster than weed will seeing how tar is just so very bad for you.

Other than slow reaction times and createing an abnormal craving for food in some cases what "altered" mind set are you refering to? I can tell you that you dont see little green men or think that the lamp post is conversing with you or the newpaper dispenser is Jesus. So what beyond the latter are you refering to?

Honestly I'm more afraid of the people who stagger out of the local bar than the ones who walk out grinnin' ear to ear eatting excessively from the local hot box.

[Corona_Time]

It's very sad to see people get smashed at bars as you point out and then get in a freaking car and think they can drive home. Okay so maybe if the penalties were stiffer and less tolerable for ignorance of this nature, progression towards a somewhat allowable use of drugs would/could b allowed. You still have the hazards of using the drugs, but responsibility is up to the individual.

[xDBD]

My take on all drugs and ethebotanicals that alter your state of mind and conscience(warning, this is going to be super long):

I read every post on this thread, and I won't call you guys stupid or anything, but I will say that half of you have skewed facts. Very misinformed, and often flat out wrong, facts.

Drugs, or any intoxicant in general, have been used for eons and eons by all people in all walks of life. One of the first known psychoactive substance willingly ingested was the Amanita Muscaria mushroom, or Fly Agaric. You know, the stereotypical shroom, red cap with white warts? The first recorded use of this mushroom was identified in the ancient Sumerian text "Rig Veda," I believe as the "Soma," plant. This plant was used by shamans(and is still done so) to bring on visions of the unknown. This very mushroom has been credited with developing most modern religions(and some people will go as far as to say that this plant had a hand in creating ALL religion). Currently, the Amanita Muscaria mushroom is unscheduled in the USA. The FDA does list it as poisonous though. Prepared properly, this mushroom does minimal damage to your body. Taking Tylenol for a headache damages you more than this mushroom.

Someone said that Cigarettes don't alter your motor skills or consciencensss. Not noticibly, anyway. Nicotine is a VERY potent psychoactive compound. Shamanistic strength tobacco(what the Indians actually put in their peace pipe) induces very potent visions and can easily be overdosed on. This strength of tobacco is unscheduled in the USA. One big toke by an inexperienced smoker could drop you dead, no questions asked. Tobacco does cause lung cancer, but can Marijuana? Honestly?

The answer is undoubtedly yes. I still support the legalization of all substances, however. Marijuana contains just as many(and some legitimate sources argue more) cancer causing compounds. The common pothead would argue, "Hey, but weed hasn't killed anyone LOL!!" The answer to this is a resounding "you are right, but marijuana is far from harmless." The whole bit about marijuana ruining your life is a joke. I personally know someone who smoked Marijuana all through highschool and graduated with a full paid scholarship and a GPA of 3.68. He graduated one under Valedictorian. The person who made Valedictorian took Spanish as a foreign language, and the average grade in that class was 92%. My Uncle, the subject of discussion in this part, took German AP, whos average grade was 82%. My Uncle made a 89%. I'm sure that THC intoxation held him back, correct?

Marijuana also causes heart problems. Granted, most of the time it's required you have an underlying ailement. Some people smoke marijuana and their heart goes crazy, and eventually into cardiovascular failure. I can attest to this, as I have watched my best friend go through this. All we had done that night was smoke marijuana. I have chatted with countless others online who claim this same problem. I still support Marijuana though. Marijuana cannot be safely 100% attributed to any death, due to acute THC intoxation. It can't be attributed because it has not happened. Marijuana can cause cancer though, and it would. Smoke joints like cigarettes and see if pot-shot lungs and how to breathe correct isn't on your "gotta-correct-tomorrow," list. Marijuana is currently a schedule ONE drug.

LSD is virtually non-toxic to your body. The common Percocet(oxycodone) pill contains around 5MG oxycodone, and 375MG ACAP(tylenol). A milligram is one-one thousandth of a gram. Hence, you are taking .375 of a gram tylenol, and .005 a gram of Oxycodone. The threshold of LSD is ~ 30 MICROGRAMS. That is 35-millionths of a gram. In decimal, that's about .000035 of a gram. That is how much it takes to notice the intoxication. Can you imagine how small that is? That is how much physical taxation your body does when you ingest LSD. With Percocet, your body is metabolizing 380MG of substances. You can't even compare. LSD cannot be safely attributed to one single death physically. Nobody just ingested LSD, tripped on their couch, and died. All deaths on LSD are attributed to intoxicated bullshit. People get loaded and think they can fly and jump out of a building. The people that do this were a little.. off, before they dosed. Then they deceided to ingest the most potent psychoactive compound on the face of the Earth. They had it coming, as far as I can see. Percocet is legal with a prescription, and LSD is a schedule ONE substance. You can land a life sentence for synthecizing LSD, but you may not even go to jail for getting into a drunken brawl at a bar. Is the irony and hypocricy adding up yet?

Mushrooms and Peyote.. these have been used for hundreds, and even thousands, of years without ill effect. Both of these are scheduled in the United States. Schedule One. The only exception would be for the Native American Church. They can use Peyote and other psychoactive cacti for religious purposes. Mushrooms are legal in a *select* few states while fresh and unprepared, but but the users are often charged anyway. Mushrooms have no proven long-term physical affects on any part of your body, brain included. Peyote, I do not know. I do not use peyote and I have no researched it. Indians have used it safely, so I assume you can too.



I could go on and on, but i'll just get to it with this: I support the legalization of ALL drugs. Hey, I know drugs can be dangerious. I've woke up in the ER after a speed, DXM, LSD, and marijuana binge. It was my own stupidity and I deserved it. Bottom line is this, though: When someone does anything, it is their choice. Sometimes, this may not ring true. Often, though, it does. Especially with psychoactive substances. How many people do you know who have had Percocets shoved down their throat? Have been FORCED to hit a bong packed with Marijuana? Been made to eat six grams of Cubensis mushrooms? Hey, i've yet to meet one.

It should be the USERS choice on what they take into their body. Man, we live in America. We have the power to elect the most retarded, crooked, off-set presidents... provided someone that fits this description runs. We can elect THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD, but yet.. we're told we cannot smoke a joint in our own homes? Or we can't go on a spiritual voyage with our dear friend LSD-25? We cannot eat mushrooms fresh out of the ground because they alter our conscience? That is being hypocritical if anything ever was.

Yes, I support the legalization of everything. Cocaine and Heroin included.

[Aemaeth]

I say no to all of it, take it from someone who has lost a brother to some dumb mother f'r that was stoned and driving. All it took was for him to be driving down our road at 3p.m. while my bro was riding his bike on the "sidewalk". You can imagine the rest.

You say that while advertising beer? Hmm. Lets see why most Accidents happen in cars..

[Obfuscate]

xDBD you remind of someone from another board who goes under MellowNats I wouldnt suppose your him aye? Anyways thanks for posting...some mod should rep this boy but good for that post. It was probably THE most productive post in the whole thread. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who's all for letting everyone just have their way with "illegal" or "illicit" drugs.

Edit: Yes I took the time to read your WHOLE post word for word letter for letter no cliffing.

[Aemaeth]

My take on all drugs and ethebotanicals that alter your state of mind and conscience(warning, this is going to be super long):

I read every post on this thread, and I won't call you guys stupid or anything, but I will say that half of you have skewed facts. Very misinformed, and often flat out wrong, facts.

Drugs, or any intoxicant in general, have been used for eons and eons by all people in all walks of life. One of the first known psychoactive substance willingly ingested was the Amanita Muscaria mushroom, or Fly Agaric. You know, the stereotypical shroom, red cap with white warts? The first recorded use of this mushroom was identified in the ancient Sumerian text "Rig Veda," I believe as the "Soma," plant. This plant was used by shamans(and is still done so) to bring on visions of the unknown. This very mushroom has been credited with developing most modern religions(and some people will go as far as to say that this plant had a hand in creating ALL religion). Currently, the Amanita Muscaria mushroom is unscheduled in the USA. The FDA does list it as poisonous though. Prepared properly, this mushroom does minimal damage to your body. Taking Tylenol for a headache damages you more than this mushroom.

Someone said that Cigarettes don't alter your motor skills or consciencensss. Not noticibly, anyway. Nicotine is a VERY potent psychoactive compound. Shamanistic strength tobacco(what the Indians actually put in their peace pipe) induces very potent visions and can easily be overdosed on. This strength of tobacco is unscheduled in the USA. One big toke by an inexperienced smoker could drop you dead, no questions asked. Tobacco does cause lung cancer, but can Marijuana? Honestly?

The answer is undoubtedly yes. I still support the legalization of all substances, however. Marijuana contains just as many(and some legitimate sources argue more) cancer causing compounds. The common pothead would argue, "Hey, but weed hasn't killed anyone LOL!!" The answer to this is a resounding "you are right, but marijuana is far from harmless." The whole bit about marijuana ruining your life is a joke. I personally know someone who smoked Marijuana all through highschool and graduated with a full paid scholarship and a GPA of 3.68. He graduated one under Valedictorian. The person who made Valedictorian took Spanish as a foreign language, and the average grade in that class was 92%. My Uncle, the subject of discussion in this part, took German AP, whos average grade was 82%. My Uncle made a 89%. I'm sure that THC intoxation held him back, correct?

Marijuana also causes heart problems. Granted, most of the time it's required you have an underlying ailement. Some people smoke marijuana and their heart goes crazy, and eventually into cardiovascular failure. I can attest to this, as I have watched my best friend go through this. All we had done that night was smoke marijuana. I have chatted with countless others online who claim this same problem. I still support Marijuana though. Marijuana cannot be safely 100% attributed to any death, due to acute THC intoxation. It can't be attributed because it has not happened. Marijuana can cause cancer though, and it would. Smoke joints like cigarettes and see if pot-shot lungs and how to breathe correct isn't on your "gotta-correct-tomorrow," list. Marijuana is currently a schedule ONE drug.

LSD is virtually non-toxic to your body. The common Percocet(oxycodone) pill contains around 5MG oxycodone, and 375MG ACAP(tylenol). A milligram is one-one thousandth of a gram. Hence, you are taking .375 of a gram tylenol, and .005 a gram of Oxycodone. The threshold of LSD is ~ 30 MICROGRAMS. That is 35-millionths of a gram. In decimal, that's about .000035 of a gram. That is how much it takes to notice the intoxication. Can you imagine how small that is? That is how much physical taxation your body does when you ingest LSD. With Percocet, your body is metabolizing 380MG of substances. You can't even compare. LSD cannot be safely attributed to one single death physically. Nobody just ingested LSD, tripped on their couch, and died. All deaths on LSD are attributed to intoxicated bullshit. People get loaded and think they can fly and jump out of a building. The people that do this were a little.. off, before they dosed. Then they deceided to ingest the most potent psychoactive compound on the face of the Earth. They had it coming, as far as I can see. Percocet is legal with a prescription, and LSD is a schedule ONE substance. You can land a life sentence for synthecizing LSD, but you may not even go to jail for getting into a drunken brawl at a bar. Is the irony and hypocricy adding up yet?

Mushrooms and Peyote.. these have been used for hundreds, and even thousands, of years without ill effect. Both of these are scheduled in the United States. Schedule One. The only exception would be for the Native American Church. They can use Peyote and other psychoactive cacti for religious purposes. Mushrooms are legal in a *select* few states while fresh and unprepared, but but the users are often charged anyway. Mushrooms have no proven long-term physical affects on any part of your body, brain included. Peyote, I do not know. I do not use peyote and I have no researched it. Indians have used it safely, so I assume you can too.



I could go on and on, but i'll just get to it with this: I support the legalization of ALL drugs. Hey, I know drugs can be dangerious. I've woke up in the ER after a speed, DXM, LSD, and marijuana binge. It was my own stupidity and I deserved it. Bottom line is this, though: When someone does anything, it is their choice. Sometimes, this may not ring true. Often, though, it does. Especially with psychoactive substances. How many people do you know who have had Percocets shoved down their throat? Have been FORCED to hit a bong packed with Marijuana? Been made to eat six grams of Cubensis mushrooms? Hey, i've yet to meet one.

It should be the USERS choice on what they take into their body. Man, we live in America. We have the power to elect the most retarded, crooked, off-set presidents... provided someone that fits this description runs. We can elect THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD, but yet.. we're told we cannot smoke a joint in our own homes? Or we can't go on a spiritual voyage with our dear friend LSD-25? We cannot eat mushrooms fresh out of the ground because they alter our conscience? That is being hypocritical if anything ever was.

Yes, I support the legalization of everything. Cocaine and Heroin included.

Well done sir. You have the facts. i beleive you would be the correct one.

[xDBD]

No, I only post on a few other boards, with limited aliases. That is not one of them. Thanks though.

I'm not trying to PUSH my views on anyone. However, every time a drug thread comes up, there are always people who claim that LSD can kill you or something. I'm just trying to prevent the spread of misinformation.

[Articnv]

best way to shut down the drug cartles si to legalize the stuff in a goverment sanctioned selling places. Not only will it shut down the cartels it will increase cash to the goverment> peopel will do drugs legalized or not

[Hamel]

OK guys i have a couple things to say mostly xDBD. Answer this question for me. Are you for downsizing United States population? If yes...i dont know...but if you say no then you are a hibercrite (even though i cant spell it XD) You say that your not for downsizing the population if you answered no but if you were to legalize drugs that is what you would be doing. If more people had access to drugs there would be more accidents (not talking about "car" accidents in general) then there would be without. More people would do drugs knowing they wouldnt be in trouble for them. But here dont take my word heres the stats.

Deaths in the United States in a typical year are as follows:

• Tobacco kills about 390,000
  
• Alcohol kills about 80,000
  
• Workplace accidents kill 60,000
  
• Automobiles kill 40,000
  
• Cocaine kills about 2,200
  
• Heroin kills about 2,000
  
• Aspirin kills about 2,000
  
• Marijuana kills 0,000
  

Well it says that marijuana has never been recorded for a death, but when on drugs and driving the death of the person the drugie killed wasnt recorded as a marijuana death so it mabey doesnt kill the person taking them but it kills the people around them. is it safe to say that much? Well take a look at those drugs, take a look at tobbaco deaths now look at this.

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There were less death in the vietnam war then there was for a year of tobbaco use...so wait a second..should people be protesting drugs not war? Oh trust me i think so. Everyone is so worried about people dieing in war and its so horrible and al this but i rarely see people protesting drugs...why is that? because they enjoy drugs? and not war? hmm..seems odd to me.

Also most car accidents are due to drugs and alchohol abuse not "accidents" for say.
And to corona you say your brother died from a drunk driver but yet your promoting drinking with your little icon and your name AND your a drinker yourself? That seems pretty hibercritical to me dont you think?

And on the fact that you say religion was all made from a drug, i highly doubt that. And if that is the case then all religon would really just be a fraud. really nothing but total nonsense...so mabey when all these gods and all this were created mabey they were on the mushrooms so who is to say and critize people like me that dont beilive in religon..i mean you just gave me more ammo saying that, if it is true.

[xDBD]

OK guys i have a couple things to say mostly xDBD. Answer this question for me. Are you for downsizing United States population? If yes...i dont know...but if you say no then you are a hibercrite (even though i cant spell it XD) You say that your not for downsizing the population if you answered no but if you were to legalize drugs that is what you would be doing. If more people had access to drugs there would be more accidents (not talking about "car" accidents in general) then there would be without. More people would do drugs knowing they wouldnt be in trouble for them. But here dont take my word heres the stats.



Deaths in the United States in a typical year are as follows:




Tobacco kills about 390,000
Alcohol kills about 80,000
Workplace accidents kill 60,000
Automobiles kill 40,000
Cocaine kills about 2,200
Heroin kills about 2,000
Aspirin kills about 2,000
Marijuana kills 0,000
Well it says that marijuana has never been recorded for a death, but when on drugs and driving the death of the person the drugie killed wasnt recorded as a marijuana death so it mabey doesnt kill the person taking them but it kills the people around them. is it safe to say that much? Well take a look at those drugs, take a look at tobbaco deaths now look at this.



Vietnam War 1964 - 1975
47,410 Deaths over 11 Years Deaths in Battle of American Soldiers
10,788 Deaths over 11 Years Non-Battle Deaths of American Soldiers (Theater)
32,000 Deaths over 11 Years Other Deaths in Service (non-Theater) est.




There were less death in the vietnam war then there was for a year of tobbaco use...so wait a second..should people be protesting drugs not war? Oh trust me i think so. Everyone is so worried about people dieing in war and its so horrible and al this but i rarely see people protesting drugs...why is that? because they enjoy drugs? and not war? hmm..seems odd to me.



Also most car accidents are due to drugs and alchohol abuse not "accidents" for say.

And to corona you say your brother died from a drunk driver but yet your promoting drinking with your little icon and your name AND your a drinker yourself? That seems pretty hibercritical to me dont you think?



And on the fact that you say religion was all made from a drug, i highly doubt that. And if that is the case then all religon would really just be a fraud. really nothing but total nonsense...so mabey when all these gods and all this were created mabey they were on the mushrooms so who is to say and critize people like me that dont beilive in religon..i mean you just gave me more ammo saying that, if it is true.

I will address your post in the order in which you posted it.

First off, drugs can be used responsibly or they can be used irresponsibly. The people that would drive under the influence of drugs if they were legal are the exact same ones who drive on them when they are ILLEGAL. No, I do not support the "downsizing of the United States population." That is being quite childish, bringing in a low blow like that. There are responsible users, and there are irresponsible users. Responsible users are the people who ingest these substances on a day when they have a FREE DAY, and no access to people or a motor vehicle. These are the type of people who can be just like YOU. They can seem totally clean and sober all the time, and have all of their wits about them. That is because they do not get intoxicated on anything and go to work or drive around, or do it around people who do not want to see it. This is what I call responsible use.

Irresponsible use, on the other hand, are the people who drink and drive, and all the other likes. These are the type people who go to the bar after work, have a beer or 19, and then deceide they need to go home in the same vehicle they came in.. driving it. Not only do they endanger themselves, but they also endanger the other roadway users. These are the type people who will ingest LSD and drive down to the store to buy a six-pack. Actually, these are the kind of people who do this right now. Legal or not, these people are going to party and do it their way, regardless of what others think. Irresponsible people are everywhere.


As far as Marijuana deaths go, plenty of people die while STONED. I was speaking from a medical standpoint. Just being intoxicated on THC(Marijuana's active ingredient) will NOT kill you. It is physically impossible to ingest enough THC via smoking marijuana to have a fatal amount in your system. One cannot smoke/eat/vaporize that fast.

I never said people INTOXICATED on Marijuana did not kill or harm others.

Politics and intoxicants are two VERY different worlds. First off, all those deaths on drugs, it was the user's own decision. The ONLY exception I can think of is the US Army and such. They gave their soldiers Cigarettes in World War 1 as a way to pass time, and therefore got them addicted, arguably against the soldiers will. They did not force these soldiers to put the cigarette to their lips, light the smoke, and inhale. It was the soldier's own free will. The dangers of tobacco were not all known at this time, but honestly, can you REALLY expect to inhale smoke that actually HURTS on the way down and not get lung/throat/mouth damage? You are a fool if you think this way. It is the users own decision as to whether they want to intake anything into their own body. If they are responsible(and believe me-- my kind, responsible users, do exist, and are quite plentiful) and harm no one but themselves, who are you to judge? It is our bodies. I know, personally, I do not judge you for being clean, so do not judge me for being not. It is none of your business and comparing war to drug use, responsible or not, is quite the low blow and really immature.

"Also most car accidents are due to drugs and alchohol abuse not "accidents" for say."

They were accidents, drugs were just involved. Nobody in their mind(unless they are mentally ill), sober or inebriated, goes out driving with the intent of killing someone in an automobile accident, and possibly themselves. Or then again, according to you, they do. ALL car crashes are accidents, sometimes there are just extra factors thrown into the mix. Drugs are a very pathetic thing to be on while driving. I do agree with you 100%.

"And to corona you say your brother died from a drunk driver but yet your promoting drinking with your little icon and your name AND your a drinker yourself? That seems pretty hibercritical to me dont you think?"

I do not think so. If he drinks alcohol in moderation and does not drive while under the influence, he is being responsible enough, and probably learned from his brothers mistakes. If he does however, you are right, he is being quite the hypocrite. Let us say that your mother died, stone sober mind you, in a car wreck. According to you, since your mother died in a car wreck, if you drove, you would be a hypocrite. That is mighty immature of me to assume that, isn't it? I feel the same way towards you saying that to Corona... and all other responsible users everywhere.

"And on the fact that you say religion was all made from a drug, i highly doubt that. And if that is the case then all religon would really just be a fraud. really nothing but total nonsense...so mabey when all these gods and all this were created mabey they were on the mushrooms so who is to say and critize people like me that dont beilive in religon..i mean you just gave me more ammo saying that, if it is true."

Jesus Christ used oils in the bible. Many of these oils had ancient hebrew names, and when they actually looked these oils up in ancient hebrew texts, many of them consisted of flowering female cannabis tops. Need I say what that is? Marijuana buds. There is substantial proof that Jesus Christ used Marijuana to heal people. Do the research for yourself, if you think I am lying.

In many regions where religion originally developed, such as the Middle East and the Siberian region, there is recorded history of shamanic use of etheogens. The Amanita Muscaria mushroom was one of the many substances found in written texts. Actually, it is the first etheogen chronologically we have found proof of Shamans using. The Morning Glory plant, which contains LSD-25's first cousin LSA, is another one. Psilocybine mushrooms, like the Cubensis and Mexicana, were another.

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but I never SAID I believed that. I simply stated many people argue this mushroom had a hand in creating many modern religions. I then went a step further and then said that some people argue ALL religion could have been created under the influence of such etheogens. These statements have not been proven, but many of the shamanistic leaders of such regions where religion developed used these substances regularly. One can only assume, considering written records were so rare and we were not alive in these times.


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[Hamel]

Ok people cant not do drugs responsibly. When you are on drugs your mind is altered and doing drugs knowing this is erisponsible also. And you do things on drugs that you normally wouldnt do off drugs. Decision making is altered.

[xDBD]

I will not argue that point with you. Saying that is quite ignorant, however. My drug usage has never hurt anyone but myself, and the only people who know I use are the ones I tell. I use drugs for my personal gain and enjoyment, and usually NOBODY else is involved. How is that irresponsible? If anything, i'm being irresponsible with MY own body. I am doing it willingly, so how is this affecting you?

Your point holds little weight to me, though I am sure mine holds none to you. You are not being very accepting of other lifestyles, I see.

[qweeve]

A little side note about the number of people killed by tobacco each year. Let's say my wife dies, but has never smoked. I do smoke, guess what, her death is ruled to be tobacco related. And the study done by the F.D.A. on second hand smoke? All lies, they made it up. Yup, our government lied to us, believe it or not. Penn and Teller have a show on ShowTime. If you haven't seen it, you really should download a few episodes. If you can't find them, let me know, I have several I can ICQ to you. They cover a lot of different subjucts from second hand smoke to evolution vs. creationism to environmental issues. It really is must see stuff.