Metallica

[wazzacky]

Have Always been a huge fan of these guys. Super talented group. Not as talented as Zeppelin or those classic rock bands but they definitly defined the genre. When their latest album came out (Death Magnetic), I didn't like it at all. It wasn't like old metallica, it wasn't good. Just gave it another try today. This album is actually very good. The riffs are tight, James's vocals are at their best (next to the black album), and the solo's are great. Lots of riffs, sometimes too many. I think thats what turned me off at first. Extended intro's up to 2 minutes long for instance. They are simple and yet progressive, layerd perfectly with the vocals on songs like Unforgiven 3 and Broken, Beat, and SCarred. All should give them a try. It definitly isin't Master of Puppets but it is a fantastic album which i'd put in their top 5 easily. The only thing i didn't like was the lack of unique soloing my hammett. They all sound really similar to me and not memorable. And usually Kirk can tell a story with his solo's. It had been 4 years since he had written solo's before so i guess he just got really excited. THey are great, and bloody difficult to learn but no real star power in them i think.
Check these tunes out.
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[xDBD]

>Super talented group. Not as talented as Zeppelin or those classic rock bands but they definitly defined the genre.

Apples kick ass. They are super good. Nowhere near as tasty as a T-Bone steak or anything but they're definitely the best of the fruits.

[SpoonMan999]

>Super talented group. Not as talented as Zeppelin or those classic rock bands but they definitly defined the genre.

Apples kick ass. They are super good. Nowhere near as tasty as a T-Bone steak or anything but they're definitely the best of the fruits.

I don't care if this is spam...God damnit. <3

[wazzacky]

I don't care if this is spam...God damnit. <3

your reading it wrong. Led Zeppelin, beatles, and metallica don't belong in the same genre, obviously..Maybe i worded it incorrectly, but that doesn't mean he needed to spam like that.

[xDBD]

your reading it wrong. Led Zeppelin, beatles, and metallica don't belong in the same genre, obviously..Maybe i worded it incorrectly, but that doesn't mean he needed to spam like that.

First off how was I spamming? The Beatles and Led Zeppelin didn't even play the same kind of music really, comparing the two is just as absurd as saying that Metallica has less talent than the both of them. Why does Led Zeppelin or the Beatles have "more talent," than Metallica? Because they've been around for that much longer? All the dirty hippies and their wretched offspring of the world have had 20 more years to say that "OH MY GOD THE BEATLES ARE THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO MUSIC?!" You weren't even comparing apples and oranges man, like I said it was like comparing an apple to a whole damn cow. Beyond the "spam," issue there are a few other hiddeous comments I would like to address in your post. BTW all you spam cops out there go ahead and infract me, I think ole' wazzacky here has had his feelings hurt.

>It wasn't like old metallica, it wasn't good.

It's not 1981 either. News flash: Dave Mustaine has been thrown out of the band, Cliff is dead, Jason has already came and left and now ole' Bobby is holding down bass duties. Of course it's not going to be Master of Puppets or Justice.... damn, James still doesn't even get drunk before shows. What the hell is that?!

>James's vocals are at their best (next to the black album)

Both points made here are highly debatable.

>and the solo's are great

Again, this is debatable. The only reason the solos are considered even meager is the fact that they're probably the only rock band who's selling any records that even include a guitar solo. Any change is good change, I guess.

>Lots of riffs, sometimes too many. I think thats what turned me off at first. Extended intro's up to 2 minutes long for instance. They are simple and yet progressive, layerd perfectly with the vocals on songs like Unforgiven 3 and Broken, Beat, and SCarred.

I would love to know which band you were a fan of back in the early to late 80s because it definitely wasn't Metallica under this definition. This is the definition of early Metallica music. Fast, riffy, long in length, somewhat simple, and often the vocals drive the riff or work some kind of melody off of it. I don't get exactly what you're saying, it sounds like older Metallica but it doesn't? Make up your mind.

>It definitly isin't Master of Puppets but it is a fantastic album which i'd put in their top 5 easily.

So what is your top five, Kill 'em All, Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, ...Justice, and Death Magnetic? Welcome to the club laugh:

>The only thing i didn't like was the lack of unique soloing my hammett. They all sound really similar to me and not memorable. And usually Kirk can tell a story with his solo's. It had been 4 years since he had written solo's before so i guess he just got really excited. THey are great, and bloody difficult to learn but no real star power in them i think.

Kind of ironic you say that, James often writes the majority of the music solos included for the songs. Call me crabby but every Metallica song ever written is based on a wah saturated pentatonic flurry for 30secs-2mins. That said every past and current member of metallica shit more Star power on the daily than you will in your life.

Maybe you can complain i'm flaming you now lol. I made your thread worth reading, fool.

[wazzacky]

Jimmy Page has clear guitar superiorty over Kirk Hammett. They are both Blues influenced and can be compared easily. Think about the musicians seperatly. Jon Bonham>Lars Ulrich> Ringo Starr. The beatles hit song writing skills equals metallica's and Zep's. You don't really forget those star riffs IE Come Togethor, Black Dog, Master of Puppets. Im not even gona bother reading your stuff its too long just the bottom which is visible. . Kirk has always written his own solos...what are u even talking about, the only time he didn't was during Kill em' all where some of Dave's were kept and tweaked. Do you play guitar to just say its pentatonic wah? He started the wah during black album. It was fine than, over used a bit too much now i agree, but still absolute crap. The modes he incorperates are smooth with the fast licks and such. I can't believe you even said that. Anything pre Black album has little or no wah. AND THE WAH PEDAL IS FUN! TRY ONE OUT AND YOU'LL see how awesome it is. I have a cry baby similiar to Kirk's.

[xDBD]

To keep this short and sweet, yes I do play guitar and I have for about 7 years seriously and about 13 years total. I'm also an avid fan of two of the bands you mentioned, Metallica and Led Zeppelin. I'm not too big on the Beatles but I do know a majority of their work and respect it. Now, while clearly everyone will have their own and different opinions about various musicians I KNOW it's safe to say just about every point my post before this one is valid except for the "wah saturated," section of the post before. James actually WRITES many of Metallica's solos but are played by Hammet live and in the studio. That's what I said, and have you ever been to a Metallica show? James can and does play solos. Quite well, too.. but that should be a given. I've listened to every Metallica album, the newer/newest ones included more times than you'd be willing to believe. Metallica, along with Pantera and Black Label Society are three bands i've followed like a religion since I can remember. I can hum every guitar part of every Metallica song on the first four albums in my head, in tempo, in their entirity. My friend I play guitar with was playing the first lead line after the harmonized arpeggio bit off, and he asked me how to play the solo. I could have played it on the guitar for him (and I did) but first I felt like being a smartass and humming the entire 3:52 - 6:49 *edit: Master of Puppets was the song

I feel pretty confident in my abilities to analyze Metallica, especially when a 17 year old Canadian throws weak and bunk "facts," about my favorite band :laugh:

How close am I on guessing your age?

[wazzacky]

perfect on the age. not so much on my heritage but i guess i've lived long enough her to be called canadian. Metallica was my favourite band but than i saw the light of classic rock. Your right james does play solos i know. I FOLLOWED metallica religiously in my early teens. And that means watching every interview and buying every guitarworld that featured them ( i still re read the Master of Puppets one now and than). Pantera are ok. I used to be really into them but the drums got annoying and Phil's lyrics never made any sense. Dime, ofcourse, makes it. ABsolutly unique solo's which i hated at first, than loved, than hated because i couldn't play more than half of them. Like that heresy solo.....I know of a guitar teacher in our city who can sweep Yngwie, and shred Satriani but he can't do that intro lick. mang...u just had to rub it in didn't you. The concert in Vancouver sold out within 5 minutes....my bloody brother slept in and tryed to buy 30 minutes after the sale....I got over it, but actually when i started listing to death magnetic i got angry again. Seriously angry for not going. I still don't see James writing "many" of kirk's solos. I've seen interviews of kirk explaining how he got the ideas. Maybe a few, but not all or close to all.
I've been playing for guitar for 5 years going. I just got really back into it and by that i mean i play more than 3 hrs a day again (When im not into it, its like half an hour or so). Thats cuz i just changed the strings on my Ibanez and they are oh so silky smooth and sound fantastic with the fixed tone ***. Cheers.

[xDBD]

Pantera is okay?! Are you kidding me? You cannot be serious. Member for member I don't think a more talented metal band exists. Phil can groan, growl, and soar like no other. Rex and Vinnie? Mesh perfectly and keep the low end THUMPING. Dimebag? Who can even doubt?

I guess I almost hate to rub it in but I know every Pantera song perfectly. When I say every song and perfectly I mean it too. Heresy isn't so bad either. Domination was a lot more of a hassle to perfect.

[wazzacky]

I don't doubt their skills . I just odn't like Vinni's drumming. ANd i lost a lot of respect for him when he came to my town on a signing tour and didn't even play a drum demo. and the KIT was set up for him!. The music shop owners forked 5000$ to be apart of the tour and all Vinni did was sign shit, sell merchandise and get drunk.
His drumming to me is always the same. On beat cymbals, with double base and snare. Put simply. Rex is fantastic. And Dime is awesoem!@. I would never diss him. Phil, like i said, lyric writing skills are goddamn awful. Vocals are great for a metal band. But i've grown into vocalists that use melodies. Adds more flavour to the song. hey Post a youtube of heresy. I'd really like to see that one like going from high to low. You'd get all my props than. I actually preferred damageplan over pantera...the sound was just better i think. Plus the newer pantera was just getting awful. That was when Phil and the brothers were getting at eaach other.

[xDBD]

I can do some youtube shred sometime in the future. I don't own a camera much less a videocamera. You got to own your playing is all I can say. If you don't dedicate everything you have to playing the guitar you probably won't ever be able to master something as complex as a Metallica or Pantera song. I've played more 12 hour days than I can even count. I make sure to practice for a minimum of 2 hours every day no matter how beat, wasted, or tired I am. The only way to be the best at what you do is to strive to be the best. Heresy isn't that bad IMO when you look at some of Dime's other songs. The solo isn't anything out of this world, either. Just dedicate yourself. One of my favorite quotes as far as guitar playing goes is speed is a biproduct of accurcy, not the other way around. There isn't a tough riff or lick or principal I can play that I haven't played literally thousands if not millions of times.

I don't know when i'll be able to youtube the video, but I will get it done. Rest assured.


I have no idea where you get off dissing Vinnie's drum skills, though. That's just ignorance in my mind lol. You don't have to like his style to respect his skills. He's hailed as one of the best for damn good reason.

[wazzacky]

I hate listening to drum solos but i still can listen to moby **** and Neil Peart's extended solo on that one rush song. Those are fantastic drummers. THey just think out of the box. As for my guitar playing. Im completly fine with it. I can play well and cleanly for the amount of time i practise. I don't want to become famous. I just love playing that instrument and will always love it. As for learning metallica songs. Those were the first things i learned when i started:S Truly complex things come with Joe satriani (still haven't learned the 2nd half to always with me, always with you) and the older bands. Try the main riff to captain nemo. I remember at one point i could play that to speed but now i can only do it 6bpm less than the original tempo. Listen to this song. Siberian Khatru by Yes. Possibly one of my favourite solos ever. It starts around the 4:30 mark. That song is in my top 5 of favourites. Amazingly complex. The drums, guitar and bass at one point do different timing riffs and still make it work. I'll make a youtube video of my skills at the moment. I am what you call a pentonic mish mash of licks. I improvise alot in jazz band and picked it up frm there. Alot of Page influenced runs and such.
I can play those metallica solo's quite well i believe. Master of puppets, i've almost mastered my friend of misery, disposable heroes i can do, fade to black i have to re learn, one i have to re learn the last solo. Lots of sons. I know about 10 full songs of metallica and many many riffs from the first five albums. Ofcourse, you would agree, at this stage you usually can just figuire out the riff's since they are awlays in the key of E

[xDBD]

No, I don't really agree with that. I don't look at a Metallica song as any less complex than a Dream Theater song. In the same way someone like Satriani, Petrucci, or Malmsteen can write face melting, seven minute solos James and Kirk can riff their asses off and write nasty, brutal songs.

[wazzacky]

its got nothing to do with fast licks. I can't stand listening to petrucci or malmsteen shred for 10 minutes. Its about the whole thing ~ how each band members plays by them self and togethor as and a whole. And the feeling from that. Listen to that Yes song. Another good one would be achilles last stand (Led Zeppelin). Which again has a solo thats in my top 5. The amount of feeling from it is amazing.