03-29-2005, 04:34 AM
Lycshiftz Wrote:Ok ive gone through this guys other links. Hes actually pretty smart but is a complete moron on the gothic culture. Yes it is a culture now. Its a bunch of lets say metalheads. Who are called satanists because their idols write satanistic lyrics.
But this is more important. Gothic actually was a form of building design in the past. Which led to a lot of problems with people creating the myth of vampires
Yes there was/is such a thing as Gothic architecture but the myth of vampires and other such demons began LONG before people were building in the Gothic style. But thats not the point of this thread. Is it? What this thread has boiled down to is this: What is the aboslute definition of a "goth"?
Culture? Well lets look at the definition before we go so far as that.
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- <LI type=a>The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought. <LI type=a>These patterns, traits, and products considered as the expression of a particular period, class, community, or population: <CITE>Edwardian culture; Japanese culture; the culture of poverty.</CITE>
- These patterns, traits, and products considered with respect to a particular category, such as a field, subject, or mode of expression: <CITE>religious culture in the Middle Ages; musical culture; oral culture.</CITE>
- The predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize the functioning of a group or organization.
Lycshiftz Wrote:Its a bunch of lets say metalheads. Who are called satanists because their idols write satanistic lyrics.
Hmm...now what portions of the definition of culture did you fullfill...arts?I really can not seem to pull anything else out of there.
Okay. So we've defined the type of arts that "goths" enjoy but we still lack: behavior patterns, traits and products. So at best we can call them a focused interest group but to give them the grand title of being a culture goes to far.
"One murder makes a villain, millions a hero. "
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