For a ww barb

[Doom]

What would you say would be best for full ww

For duel weaps
2x griefs
Ebotdz Beast

For shield ww
grief
botdz

I just built my barb and wanted to see what was the best

[L4E]

unlike other skills, ias in WW is only affected by the ias on ur weapon (im not sure if fanactism affects it tho) and the highest IAS breakpoint for ww is 60IAS
that is why Ebotdz is probably is better weapon for shield/weapon

For Weapon/weapon, IF fanactism affects WW, grief+beast would be better.
although IMO eth deathcleaver + beastz is an amazing combo

[Doom]

Eth deathcleaver...i never thought of that....I will try that and see how it works out on the barb

I been useing duel griefs now but i rly have problems with those shift click smiters....Any suggestions on them

[L4E]

always WW away from them, never try to ww through them, if they dont move at all try to ww in a trapeze style way and stay as far as u can, most smiters use PB and have less range than you (since u use a zerker) so u will hit them.
if they start following u just WW away from them slowly most barbs kill smiters in no time (except v/t smiters, they are sometimes annoying)

[Doom]

I noticed one thing in last duel u can ww threw them by jumping and knocking them back..they usually dont have enough time to smite u in time...unless there rather good and see it coming lol ..thx for all the info

[Ares]

beast and grief is CRAZY damage possibly the best 2 weps a barb can wield... but last wish would be the second option

Additional Comment:
and grief+ss but you can also use beast on like some nub chars

[db_jynx]

What would you say would be best for full ww

For duel weaps
2x griefs
Ebotdz Beast

For shield ww
grief
botdz

I just built my barb and wanted to see what was the best

i don't know how many times i have to reply to these posts.. read a few posts about BvB etc... on this page.

Full WW .. i'm assuming PvP since you're talking about smiters. I also assume you're BvA since you never specified if against Barb or all Melee or Just everyone in general.

When you go Wpn/Shield with an OFFENSIVE build (i.e. damage, mediocre defense, etc) you should go Grief Zerker Highest Dmg / 34+IAS to hit BP and a StormShield with Ber / Cham / -15-9str-9dex-7fhr-10res all Jewel (combo of these mods)

When you go Wpn/Shield with a DEFFENSIVE build (i.e. 30k+ Defense, using Open Wounds [OW]) you should go either Grief Zerker same as above / Fury Zerker for OWs / Beast Zerker for OWs and Fanat and the same StormShield. Addisiotnally, you can switch out FORT for an ETH Up'd Toothrow / ETH Up'd CrowCaw / Sacred Duress (maybe eth if you want) or try your FORT... play with the choices. Use ETH Up'd 700+DEF Arreats this build as well.

ALWAYS have your 50%DmageReduce for every build vs. melee. Use minimal Str by glitching (you shouldnt need more than 85 Base) ... i used 18 stat anni / 20 stat torch and used enough to wear 15 Str dracs, then the rest of my gear came on (using a -15/9str/20light Res jewel in SS). This will allow the most life (5k+) and the most Def (30k+ even with Offensive Build).

For 2 WPNS ALWAYS go Greif / Beast ... best combo out there... EBotDZ sucks bro... i dont care what anyone on here says... ONLY and I mean ONLY if your gear is BUILT AROUND your EBoTDZ will it be a viable Wpn. I assume you haven't done this... therefore, it sucks compared to grief / fury / beast. By built around I mean utilizing it's ETH properties and 30 Attributes (less str required) as well as mass psn charms. If you do not build your Barb around it, then ALWAYS use Greif (pref. 390+ / 34 IAS+).

You will want to use AR / Life SCs and GCs almost always, when going deffensive set-up with OWs, you will want to use Mastery / Lifers for increased defense / Critical Strike / Life. If you can't afford it all or not enough room, then stick with AR / Lifers (I had literally zero room in stash/cube with no mastery/lifers).

I can't think of everything right now, if Loits can jump in, he is very knowledgable of Barbs, and Frater (though to me knowledge doesnt play them too much) is also wise on barbs (as is his bro i believe). Anyway, these are the basics... As for SMITERS... use Grief / Beast, if they dont move, triangle WW around them, take some practice figuring out how close you need to be to hit (your range will be 3), and Triangel around them, when they get frustrated from you hitting them 3 or 4 times, they will run after you, at this point WW away like ppl said, and you shuld have no problem.

If i can think of anyhting else or if you have any more questions, just ask, hopefully i'll be able to post... once the FireWall picks up a few not so nice words, it doesnt allow me to view the page If i can't you may have to make a new post in order for me to be able to post.

[Loits]

i don't know how many times i have to reply to these posts.. read a few posts about BvB etc... on this page.

Full WW .. i'm assuming PvP since you're talking about smiters. I also assume you're BvA since you never specified if against Barb or all Melee or Just everyone in general.

When you go Wpn/Shield with an OFFENSIVE build (i.e. damage, mediocre defense, etc) you should go Grief Zerker Highest Dmg / 34+IAS to hit BP and a StormShield with Ber / Cham / -15-9str-9dex-7fhr-10res all Jewel (combo of these mods)

When you go Wpn/Shield with a DEFFENSIVE build (i.e. 30k+ Defense, using Open Wounds [OW]) you should go either Grief Zerker same as above / Fury Zerker for OWs / Beast Zerker for OWs and Fanat and the same StormShield. Addisiotnally, you can switch out FORT for an ETH Up'd Toothrow / ETH Up'd CrowCaw / Sacred Duress (maybe eth if you want) or try your FORT... play with the choices. Use ETH Up'd 700+DEF Arreats this build as well.

ALWAYS have your 50%DmageReduce for every build vs. melee. Use minimal Str by glitching (you shouldnt need more than 85 Base) ... i used 18 stat anni / 20 stat torch and used enough to wear 15 Str dracs, then the rest of my gear came on (using a -15/9str/20light Res jewel in SS). This will allow the most life (5k+) and the most Def (30k+ even with Offensive Build).

For 2 WPNS ALWAYS go Greif / Beast ... best combo out there... EBotDZ sucks bro... i dont care what anyone on here says... ONLY and I mean ONLY if your gear is BUILT AROUND your EBoTDZ will it be a viable Wpn. I assume you haven't done this... therefore, it sucks compared to grief / fury / beast. By built around I mean utilizing it's ETH properties and 30 Attributes (less str required) as well as mass psn charms. If you do not build your Barb around it, then ALWAYS use Greif (pref. 390+ / 34 IAS+).

You will want to use AR / Life SCs and GCs almost always, when going deffensive set-up with OWs, you will want to use Mastery / Lifers for increased defense / Critical Strike / Life. If you can't afford it all or not enough room, then stick with AR / Lifers (I had literally zero room in stash/cube with no mastery/lifers).

I can't think of everything right now, if Loits can jump in, he is very knowledgable of Barbs, and Frater (though to me knowledge doesnt play them too much) is also wise on barbs (as is his bro i believe). Anyway, these are the basics... As for SMITERS... use Grief / Beast, if they dont move, triangle WW around them, take some practice figuring out how close you need to be to hit (your range will be 3), and Triangel around them, when they get frustrated from you hitting them 3 or 4 times, they will run after you, at this point WW away like ppl said, and you shuld have no problem.

If i can think of anyhting else or if you have any more questions, just ask, hopefully i'll be able to post... once the FireWall picks up a few not so nice words, it doesnt allow me to view the page If i can't you may have to make a new post in order for me to be able to post.

I have never tried the botd + beast + poison scs in action but i've heard that a lot of people concider that extremely bm and won't duel you. confused:

Additional Comment:
On most barbs except bva (cos you need to max shout, mastery, ww, bo and leap) i would recommend also skilling frw to lvl 14 with minimum eq. That allows you to desync with your wws when you have eni and 30 frw boots.

Although bva is a good all around build but once you are skilled enough you'll find out that the only char you need a shield against is another barb so you can just not duel other barbs and make a more powerful bvc.

Sometimes you come across some zealers/wolfs that kill you without a shield but if you use tal belt+25 dex dancers+ storm with eld+arreat you get pretty good dr (8+35) and a good block also on your bvc.

It used to be a good idea in 1.10 for your barb to be able to use death set gloves but since the carrion wind bug is gone you really shouldn't be taking off draculs at all so get 15 str ones and never take them off.

I like to use a 15all resi/15 ias jool in my arreat because resi is good and the ias gives you an extra ias frame when you are using widow. Widow is used aginst hammers to make them go offencive. I like to um mine and use dancers+tal belt+angelic+raven to equip it but it's really up to you, some people like to hel it or shael it and add a bit more dex. If you are using bugged boots taht give 30+ strenght then also use forti against hammers with widow.

[Joshy]

It depends on what kind of barb your useing bvc bva or bvb i'll give a bva setup here, the classic beast/ebotdz is still a very effective combination dont let anyone tell you otherwise, or beast/greif works as well hmm.. you'll want wisps treachery hotspurs and dual rfrosts in your stash for bming. other items you'll need in stash is fort for barb/paladin dueling. you'll want to have prebuff gear 6bo helm 3 bo knives there much smaller than the spears and your going to need all the stash room you can get and sojs/bks 3 warcry amulet if possible. you also need 2 dooms, after prebuff take off bo gear and out on 2x doomz's so youll have beast/grief or beast/ebotdz on one switch and doom/doom on the other dual dooms are fantastic for zon killing/killing smiters. people say that a smiter is the barbs worst enemy but aparantly they never used 2 dooms before because if you got 2 dooms the smiter may as well leave, if you really really want to bm you can use a decrep wand have it in your switch. decrep/2x doom and he will go into a slow smite animation do triangle ww's dont ww through heres an example the smiter is the dot in the middle and the lines is your ww path /.\ do a full triangle ww around him for the most damage possible this goes for dueling most character classes as it does the most damage per ww's however it takes alot of practice barbs are not a easy character to master trust me. dooms are also useful for nking and nukeing other peoples summons which is great. i really dont have the time to put a full bva guide down i just gave some guide lines and basic item setup the barb is not a cheap build at all to make so if your not rich dont bother makeing one trust me.

[Loits]

It depends on what kind of barb your useing bvc bva or bvb i'll give a bva setup here, the classic beast/ebotdz is still a very effective combination dont let anyone tell you otherwise, or beast/greif works as well hmm.. you'll want wisps treachery hotspurs and dual rfrosts in your stash for bming. other items you'll need in stash is fort for barb/paladin dueling. you'll want to have prebuff gear 6bo helm 3 bo knives there much smaller than the spears and your going to need all the stash room you can get and sojs/bks 3 warcry amulet if possible. you also need 2 dooms, after prebuff take off bo gear and out on 2x doomz's so youll have beast/grief or beast/ebotdz on one switch and doom/doom on the other dual dooms are fantastic for zon killing/killing smiters. people say that a smiter is the barbs worst enemy but aparantly they never used 2 dooms before because if you got 2 dooms the smiter may as well leave, if you really really want to bm you can use a decrep wand have it in your switch. decrep/2x doom and he will go into a slow smite animation do triangle ww's dont ww through heres an example the smiter is the dot in the middle and the lines is your ww path /.\ do a full triangle ww around him for the most damage possible this goes for dueling most character classes as it does the most damage per ww's however it takes alot of practice barbs are not a easy character to master trust me. dooms are also useful for nking and nukeing other peoples summons which is great. i really dont have the time to put a full bva guide down i just gave some guide lines and basic item setup the barb is not a cheap build at all to make so if your not rich dont bother makeing one trust me.

I rate your post:

70% noob
30% restaiting what's already been sayed

[Joshy]

Figures someone would say that, ask anyone on jsp nubby.

Are you on uswl? i'll tear the shit out of you and make you eat those words

I think you mean RESTATING whats already been SAID. Stupid prick.

[Loits]

Figures someone would say that, ask anyone on jsp nubby.

Are you on uswl? i'll tear the shit out of you and make you eat those words

I think you mean RESTATING whats already been SAID. Stupid prick.

Come to europe and "tear the shit out" me if you so please. (It's also stated in my profile but i spelt it out for you since you have trouble reading it.) I'm not interested in coming to a half dead realm.

I would recommend slitting to ease that e-rage lol.