Why gays shouldnt have rights and why abortion is more humane than giving birth.

[UndeadZX]

If god had meant for 2 men or 2 women to be together, he would've given us two sets of organs. Therefore it denies the basic logic and philosophical concept that the ultimate ideology is survival. Our species cannot survive with homosexuality if it becomes to rampant and we become week, they do not deserve rights.

Honestly, I say we prosecute every woman for child molestation because who honestly wants to have their mother screaming and pressing their ******'s against our faces...I gaurantee if your mother didn't have a C-Section, she ENJOYED it. That screaming? yea...pain my ***...

[SilverZX]

hahaha, That's ma boy! Doin his damdest to spread havoc! I'm wondering how many of the hot heads in the flame wars forum will flip out...or if they'll laugh it off like I did. This should be interesting....however for the sake of argument, I'll take the case!

The ultimate ideology is survival...yes I suppose I can see that. However there are children that die everyday in America due to starvation or kill themselves from inadaquate home lives. So you either force a man and woman to be together and their child faces the social defects and kill themselves, thus defeating our "ultimate ideology". Allowing 2 people to be together, thus giving a better chance of happiness, gives for a more stable home life and allows children a better survival rate, thus continung our species in another form.

lol the mother thing...pretty funny, however by that same standard, you would have to say that the mother induced the pregnancy on her own. By which accord, I've yet to here a medical expert say that, therefore your opinion is heresay. However, if you want to go that route, we're not real sure what goes through a persons head when they are that young. So how do we know, since we're assuming no birth is purely natural, that the babies aren't assaulting the mothers...sexually or physically since so much blood is lost. I mean to take your same manner of argument, if a full grown man attempted to climb inside a woman's uterus....I'm pretty sure they'd execute them or at least 20-30 in prison. So, we should have a blanket trial for everyone that wasn't born through C-Section for battery or rape.

lol however since I know you pretty well, I know that you're doing it to see either how quickly you'll get thrown out of here, or how many people you can get their blood boiling...hell why else would you post it in the flame wars topic?

I brought him here, so his insanity is all my fault.

FYI: I have no stance on abortion or gay rights, I was simply arguing an opposite point of him.

[blackcarriage]

Gay shouldn't have special rights like marriage and crap...this isnt ancient greece....want to see your dyke lover or fag husband in the hospital or have other normal people rights get the power of attorney...dont pervert our laws! And by the way the United States isnt current day middle east boys arent for fun and the wife for marrying wives are for fun!

[SilverZX]

haha. Again, I have no strong view on the subject. In honesty, I think they should, cause I don't give a damn who marries who. However I do know that in an old law book I read named Blue Laws. There is an old law in Georgia that a man may not make love or marry a porcipine .

[Foog]

*sits placently and waits for the floodgates of this flame to begin*

...and Issue 1 passed in ohio, regarding gay marriage and rights. can't decide whether that's good or not!

[BlindMansTicket]

If god had meant for 2 men or 2 women to be together, he would've given us two sets of organs. Therefore it denies the basic logic and philosophical concept that the ultimate ideology is survival. Our species cannot survive with homosexuality if it becomes to rampant and we become week, they do not deserve rights.

Honestly, I say we prosecute every woman for child molestation because who honestly wants to have their mother screaming and pressing their ******'s against our faces...I gaurantee if your mother didn't have a C-Section, she ENJOYED it. That screaming? yea...pain my ***...

Ok, first off, There is no god. Secondly, the entire human race wouldn't perish because guess what? NOT EVERYONE IS GAY.

When these issues start to kill you, you can start voicing your shitty opinion, until then, shut the **** up, hick.

[blackcarriage]

These issues do affect me... like i want to my children to see some faggots walking hand and hand down the street or coming out of some court house flinging rice all over my fking sidewalks. As for god only truth i have seen in that book is ...ashes to ashes ..dust to dust.

[JesseDS]

i argee with BlindMansTicket, gays should have rights too(not saying that im gay) Only when the fate of the human race is in danger then they should stop. Besides, most of the people in this world is not gay anyways.

[blackcarriage]

Screw the human race we all kill each other anyway........

Number 1 reason to screw gays rights is ....ever try to fit a square into a circle ..it doesnt fit wasnt meant to fit...your were born to eat, sleep, shiet and reproduce...then die ...not eat, sleep, shiet, and try to fit the wrong peg in the wrong hole all your life..thats just butt *** backwards. ButtYuckUgly.

[Mr. Fabulous]

Ok, first off, There is no god. Secondly, the entire human race wouldn't perish because guess what? NOT EVERYONE IS GAY.

Dude your completely right!

get the power of attorney

You have any idea how often this happens and the one they want to see dies before they can get it? Any one who thinks gays and lesbians dont deserve the same rights as every one else have the worst outlook on the world and I for one wouldnt mind seeing you die.

[SilverZX]

lol, wow, so these are the kind of people in the flame wars forum. Hmmm, I'm not too impressed. Especially with you, Blind Mans Ticket. There is no god, I'm an agnaustic, and so is the guy who posted, so we disagree with you obviously. He did that to get a rise out of you...which he apparently did. There is no god, that's purely circumstancial and you have no method of disproving god besides the logical deduction that believing it is ludacris.

"Ok, first off, There is no god. Secondly, the entire human race wouldn't perish because guess what? NOT EVERYONE IS GAY."

I'm pretty sure he started it JUST to **** you off, but hey what the hell I love to argue. How do you know not everyone is gay? Maybe we ALL are gay and just don't know it , subconsciencely we are just waiting for the time to come out, and some day we'll all become gay. Unless you have a degree is psychology, you can't rebutt this one, sorry, but don't even try, ah and if you do try, don't ever argue for a living.


When these issues start to kill you, you can start voicing your shitty opinion, until then, shut the **** up, hick."

Ah I knew it would come to this. I CAN'T PROVE YOU WRONG THEREFORE I WILL SWELL WITH ANGER, SHUT THE **** UP! YEAH!!!!


Way to present your case with eloquence and motivate people to believe you....

Actually it was suprisingly similar to how a redneck would present an argument about why [insert republican candidate] should win the presidency.

Well..technically, I'm from a rich/prep boy town where most of us are from the North. However, you're right because I was born in the south, along with undead. Undead isn't the stereotypical gay hater you see in the south, he doesn't give a damn one way or another. (just for the record, I'm standing up for him because he works allot and doesn't have time to)

Judging from your post, and I mean no offense by this, it would seem that you're gay? If that's so, you had better hope that you have lawyers with better senses of the word "debate" than you do. The power of this government (or so it stands on paper) is set to where the ENTIRE populace of the U.S. determines where the power to give rights is used and on who it is used. That's the way we are set up. A significant number must determine is, not just the gay community. That is why it's very much the business of the rest of the country.

For a nicer side note. Seeing ANYONE hurt, chills my blood and sends me into a whole new channel of pissed off in which I hate being. That includes every race, sexual preferance, and gender. I'm in law school at the moment with dreams of being a federal cop(I'd say that I flat out want to be an FBI Agent, except for the fact that when I say that, SOMEBODY always laughs at me because I sound like a little kid wanting to play James Bond). Sorry to say that you're right on that one, gays are killed everyday for what they believe and actively practice...and sometimes even by policemen and policewomen...and nothing sickens me more than power-abuse...so you're not completely without warrant for being angry.

[neurotiK]

Even talking about religion in this topic is extremly dumb, because the US is a secular nation. Secularism means not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body, whereas atheism is rather the belief that god does not exist. There is a difference. The US is a secular nation in which everyone can believe whatever they want to believe, and rather does not force everyone to believe one thing (like say… not believing in god). There is a difference between not believing in god, and not bringing god into matters of government. The Soviet Union, decided to make it a state policy that nobody can believe in god, so that peoples’ loyalty would be with the party (Somewhat similar to the Cult of the Emperor in Rome, but we’ll get into that later). This is in fact a good deal of the reason why it fell. When Mikhail Gorbachev passed the Glasnost and Perestroika reforms in the 1980’s, it gave people rights such as free speech, and freedom of religion. Since the people were now able to express their true feelings about having a government impose beliefs on them, and to worship as they please, the loyalties were no longer to the party, and the “strong arm” of the Soviet Union began to deteriorate. Similarly, in Rome, the people were supposed to believe that the Emperor was god on earth. The point is that they were forced to believe religious beliefs that they found true for a while. Then, many years after the death of Christ, a superb businessman named St. Peter began to sell a new product; Christianity. This idea spread, and eventually became a very popular religion in Rome. However this challenged the idea of the Cult of the Emperor, and was part of the reason for Rome’s collapse.
You cannot refute my extensive historical evidence, but I know what you are thinking: The US can never have a state sponsored religion, and thus this cannot happen. But that is where your logic is flawed, and are once again wrong. If in your opinion, those which are considered sins in the bible (excepting of course having to worship Yahweh), can be used to make laws for this country. However think about it: if our law eventually becomes so based on the bible that almost everything that is considered a sin in the bible is considered unlawful in our country, then even if people are by name some other religion, they are more or less Christian. Allow me to explain, if everyone is subject to the laws of the US, and essentially almost everything it says is a sin in the bible is a sin in our country, then people would be subject to the bible even when the bible, and their personal beliefs conflicted. So even if Mr. Bob Enlitenedtodamax, considers himself Buddhist, he is subject to Christian laws, thus forcing him to follow biblical teachings. It is similar to say, Christians in Saudi Arabia. Even though they are by name Christians, they are subject to the Sharia, and are thus forced to follow the Muslim beliefs even when it contradicts their Christian ideals. That is very dangerously close to actually having a state sponsored religion.
"CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR
PROHIBITING THE FREE EXCERCISE THEREOF..." -The First Amendment of the
Constitution of the United State of America
(This amendment blatantly prohibits free exercise of beliefs, as they are forced to conform to Christian ideals)



Next I will prove my point that THIS IS A SECULAR NATION, AND THUS god STAYS OUT OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS. I have proven to you time and time again what our constitution is truly based on (what the people were earlier deprived of). I have already shown you that 3 of the 10 commandments (4 if you count one that is rather loosely connected). The 4th that you mentioned, honoring parents, is not actually in the Penal Code. In fact, once a person grows up they do not have to honor their parents at all. The only reason it is there is because they realized that they had to have a certain age at which they would be considered an adult, and would have full rights (such as voting). Furthermore, many children may be cheated, etc. in the real world, and need nurturing. The purpose of the law is so that children are held accountable for, until they are mature enough to handle themselves, which the government decided would be 18. Furthermore, if they really based it on the ten commandments, why did they not include things such as coveting a neighbor’s wife, or others?

This was all based on secular thought, and you have not given me any evidence as to how you can come to the conclusion that our forefather’s were even Christian. In fact most of them were deist. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Samuel Adams, Thomas Paine, James Madison, John Adams, George Washington, Gov. Morris, and Ethan Allen among the most well known deists.

Basic teachings and Beliefs of Deism: Deists believe that God is the creator of the universe, the architect of natural order, and the grantor of human rights, but that he does not interfere with humanity, or favor one individual, group, or nation over another. Deist belief does not accept any elements of 'revealed' religion- that is, any religious laws or revelations offered by prophets or priests. Deists do not accept the idea of avatars or incarnated deities, angels, or messengers.

Thomas Paine

Known as the “Father of the American Revolution”, he wrote the book Age of Reason in which he discussed secular thought, and showed that he truly did not believe in Christianity.
"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense." – Thomas Paine
"All national institutions of churches appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine
"There is scarcely any part of science, or anything in nature, which those imposters and blasphemers of science, called priests, as well Christians as Jews, have not, at some time or other, perverted, or sought to pervert to the purpose of superstition and falsehood." - Thomas Paine

James Madison:
"Democracy does not need the church, or the clergy." - James Madison
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison


John Adams:

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus has made a convenient cover for absurdity," he wrote. To Jefferson in 1817 he wrote:
Twenty times in the course of my late readings, have I been on the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all worlds if there were no religion in it!' But in this exclamation I should have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company — I mean hell. So far from believing in the total and universal depravity of human nature, I believe there is no individual totally depraved. The most abandoned scoundrel that ever existed never wholly extinguished his conscience, and while conscience remains there is some religion. ...[2]

"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." - Treaty of Tripoli (1797) signed by John Adams (the original language is by Joel Barlow, U.S. Consul.)


Ethan Allen
"In the circle of my acquaintance, (which has not been small,) I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism make me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not, strictly speaking, whether I am one or not, for I have never read their writings; mine will therefore determine the matter..." -- Reason, the Only Oracle of Man, 1784, Preface
"In those parts of the world where learning and science have prevailed, miracles have ceased; but in those parts of it as are barbarous and ignorant, miracles are still in vogue." -- Reason, the Only Oracle of Man, 1784
"I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism makes me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not strictly speaking, whether I am one or not." - preface, Reason the Only Oracle of Man by Ethan Allen




Jefferson:

Thomas Jefferson was quite outspoken about how he felt towards Christianity. In a letter to John Adams, he wrote, "To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise" (August 15, 1820).

Another quote by this same forfather, to the father of the Constitution, "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" (April 11, 1823).

In Notes on the State of Virginia, he said of this religion, "There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites" (quoted by newspaper columnist William Edelen, "Politics and Religious Illiteracy," Truth Seeker, Vol. 121, No. 3, p. 33)

The religious issue was dragged out, and stirred up flames of hatred and intolerance. Clergymen, mobilizing their heaviest artillery of thunder and brimstone, threatened Christians with all manner of dire consequences if they should vote for the "in fidel" from Virginia. This was particularly true in New England, where the clergy stood like Gibraltar against Jefferson (Jefferson A Great American's Life and Ideas, Mentor Books, 1964, p.116).


"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions…” Thomas Jefferson

"The hocus-pocus phantasy of a God, like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs." - Thomas Jefferson,
( Jefferson s Works, Vol. IV, 360, Randolph's ed.)
"Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books may be sold, and what we may buy? And who is thus to dogmatize religious opinions for our citizens? Whose foot is to be the measure to which ours are all to be cut or stretched? Is a priest to be our inquisitor, or shall a layman, simple as ourselves, set up his reason as the rule of what we are to read, and what we must believe?" - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dufief, April 19, 1814
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." -Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779.
"No man [should] be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor [should he] be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor ... otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief ... All men [should] be free to profess and by argument to maintain their opinions in matters of religion, and ... the same [should] in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities." - Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, Papers
"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites." - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia

Jefferson and Gov. Morris:
Jefferson wrote this statement in his personal journal
Dr. Rush told me (he had it from Asa Green) that when the clergy addressed General Washington, on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address as to force him at length to disclose publicly whether he was a Christian or not. However, he observed, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly, except that, which he passed over without notice....
I know that Gouverneur Morris [principal drafter of the constitution], who claimed to be in his secrets, and believed him self to be so, has often told me that General Washington believed no more in that system [Christianity] than he did" (quoted in Remsberg, p. 123 from Jefferson's Works, Vol. 4, p. 572, emphasis added).

Ben Franklin

"My parents had early given me religious impressions, and brought me through my childhood piously in the dissenting [puritan]way. But I was scarce fifteen, when, after doubting by turns of several points, as I found them disputed in the different books I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself. Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. [Robert Boyle (1627-1691) was a British physicist who endowed the Boyle Lectures for defense of Christianity.]It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough deist"

[Benjamin Franklin, "Autobiography,"p.66 as published in *The American Tradition in Literature,* seventh edition (short), McGraw-Hill,p.180]


According to his autobiography, Ben Franklin became a deist, and then remained a firm Deist, but he mentions that he respects all religions and dislikes religious strife. He does not ever attend "public worship," and he finds fault in some Christian theological interpretations of morality.

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin



Washington:

"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism" (Paul F. Boller, George Washington & Religion)

When Rev. Bird Wilson asked Reverend Abercrombie [identified earlier as the rector of the church Washington had attended] Abercrombie's response was brief and to the point "Sir, Washington was a Deist" (Remsberg, p. 110)


Adams and Washington, and the Senate:


Article 11 of the Treaty with Tripoli declared in part that "the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion..." (Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States, ed. Hunter Miller, Vol. 2, U. S. Government Printing Office, 1931, p. 365). This treaty was negotiated by the American diplomat Joel Barlow during the administration of George Washington. Washington read it and approved it, although it was not ratified by the senate until John Adams had become president. When Adams signed it, he added this statement to his signature "Now, be it known, that I, John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said treaty, do, by and within the consent of the Senate, accept, ratify and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof."

"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." - Treaty of Tripoli (1797) signed by John Adams (the original language is by Joel Barlow, U.S. Consul.)

On the Constitution itself:

The following quote is from Reverend Bird Wilson, a reverend that was around at the same time as our founding fathers:
When the war was over and the victory over our enemies won, and the blessings and happiness of liberty and peace were secured, the Constitution was framed and God was neglected. He was not merely forgotten. He was absolutely voted out of the Constitution. The proceedings, as published by Thompson, the secretary, and the history of the day, show that the question was gravely debated whether God should be in the Constitution or not, and after a solemn debate he was deliberately voted out of it… There is not only in the theory of our government no recognition of God's laws and sovereignty, but its practical operation, its administration, has been conformable to its theory. Those who have been called to administer the government have not been men making any public profession of Christianity… Washington was a man of valor and wisdom. He was esteemed by the whole world as a great and good man; but he was not a professing Christian (quoted by Remsberg, pp. 120-121, emphasis added).
Now, why would the Reverend, who was alive to see the passing of these documents you call “based on Christianity”, criticize these devout Christians who based this country on Christian ideals? icon_rolleyes.gif
The Convention of 1787 was highly rationalist and even secular in spirit" ("The Men of Philadelphia," 1787 The Grand Convention, New York W. W. Norton & Company, 1987, pp. 147-148, emphasis added).



This evidence shows that many of our founding fathers were not Christian, did not accept Christianity, that if it were a "Christian nation," the constitution they wrote would have surely made several references to God, the Bible, Jesus, and other accouterments of the Christian religion, and rather than expressly forbidding ANY religious test as a condition for holding public office in the new nation, it would have stipulated that allegiance to Christianity was a requirement for public office. Furthermore, through the Tripoli treaty, you can clearly see that Congress, Washington, and Adams agreed that this is a secular nation especially with a statement such as "the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion..."
This country was never Christian based. However, at one point in time, when the colonists originally came to America, those 13 Colonies were founded on Christian values. Thus we should look back at how life was back then. Rather than looking at things logically, and trying to see if people who were different from themselves actually had a point, they decided to drown or burn them, saying that they were witches and thus must be killed as the bible says witchcraft is evil. It just goes to show that whenever anything is based blindly on the teachings of a carpenter from thousands of years ago, without even looking at them logically, things suck for everyone that tries using logic.
So let us clarify something. The country Soren belong too has a constitution that starts out with the words
"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith…”
(Mayflower Compact, 1620)
Mine starts like this…
“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union…”
(US Constitution, 1787)

So now that that has been covered, let us move on to the actual debate which must be looked at logically. I have proven gays will continue having sex, and living together regardless, and the fact that the majority of AIDS patients in the world are in fact heterosexual. In terms of biologically wrong, I have given you the reason 1st that it occurs in nature, 2nd that it occurred in biblical times too so it is not society telling gays to be gay, and 3rd is the fact that our endocrine system, which is responsible for physical attraction, cannot be controlled by our psychology. Thus we come down to one final point. Does everyone have to accept gays just because they are allowed to marry? I agree that everyone should not be forced to accept gay marriage, but rather just tolerate it. First we must look at the definitions of accept, and tolerate.
Accept- To admit to a group - To receive, especially with gladness or approval - To regard as proper, usual, or right.

[SilverZX]

Yes, gays are the minority when it comes to AIDS, however that's simply because the number of gays is so far off the number of heterosexuals (which will hence for be referred to as straights since that word is hard for me to type). If you compare the strict percents of gays that have AIDS to straights that have AIDS, you'll see a huge difference. Unfortunately the fact that the U.S. is a secular religion, I don't believe has anything to do with this. It's a fairly common known fact that virtually every religion is free to be believed in the U.S. Which is why it would be going against the constitution outlawing homosexual marriage due to a biblical matter. Undead definitely knew what he was doing when posting this topic here, since it got the debater wannabe's off their asses . You've got what psychologists call a "logic trap". A logic trap is where you prove a loosely associated point and then relate the proven point to the point in speculation, thus saying that because they associate the other must be right as well, which isn't nessicarily true. Though I do admire the fact that you bring other quotes into this, extensively researched, you'd be a good lawyer.

However, this isn't about based on America's constitution, since some of us aren't from America. This is about personal belief (or so I thought) on the matter, not the founding father's views.

I understand why you brought the secular nation argument into this, because people were bringing religion into it, and that point was well argued. I did not believe this to be a matter concering should AMERICA legalize gay marriage, more over, if you were king of all, would YOU legalize gay marriage. Which I would, I might add.

Despite the nice argument you presented, the word "windbag" comes to mind, lol. Not only did you waste my time reading your arguments, which I honestly don't think anyone would dispute.

When it comes to an argument of this caliber, do not base your own off of a quote made by a man 200 years ago. Tell us what YOU think.

Nice argument though, really would be a good DA .

[El Matt]

Oh good job. Gays shouldn't have rights because a bunch of people are using an invisible man to control the masses. Good job, bigot.

[SilverZX]

AH! Almost forgot, if you didn't see it last night on the Daily Show. There are a bunch of people that had a "pray in". They all got together and prayed, protesting the possible appointment of a non-christian judge. Which your argument I think makes a great counter for .

[Aemaeth]

Im gay, Are you going to stop me having rights?, its not like im pissing on your parade or anything is it? This is your opinion, and in no way am i stopping you from having it, but sometimes people are wrong and your one of them. Why dont your argument up with your government you neo-nazi Asshole.

[SilverZX]

Who exactly are you talking to? I said I was FOR gay rights. Undead doesn't give a damn, he told me he was doing it to raise a few tempers...why else would he post it in the flame wars section . lol I figured he'd either **** allot of people off, or get a few laughs, I thought it was funny anyways.

[Aemaeth]

Nice thing to do in your spare time.... :inquisiti:

[BlindMansTicket]

Since i'm in school, im not gonna read all of the other posts. (*****y computer guy)

Who exactly are you talking to? I said I was FOR gay rights. Undead doesn't give a damn, he told me he was doing it to raise a few tempers...why else would he post it in the flame wars section . lol I figured he'd either **** allot of people off, or get a few laughs, I thought it was funny anyways.

That guy needs a swift kick in the nuts.

[SilverZX]

lol, and I'm sure you're going to be the one to give it to me big guy .

And why is that exactly BLINDMAN. Little upset are we? Let it out man...really, it's good for you. Don't see what I've said to offend you. However for the record, GOOD! Go cry a little then come back when you want a real argument, not some sissy slap fight like you're looking for.

I DISAGREE THEREFORE I WISH PHYSICAL HARM TO YOU!

GOOD POINT! ...moron