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Envy-One Wrote:I think i will wait for d2jsp and mousepad to come out... i think skidude has tought us all a lesson today " if you decided to listen" that only trusted 3rd party software is what we should gamble our cd keys with... sorry for your loss skidude and thanks for the warning
yea thats the smart thing to do is wait for mousepad and d2jsp but w/e i have always been a hacker and always will be so i guess thats why i lost 3 cdkeys and 2 account this patch so far
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guyz...for the frieken 300th time... you CANNOT get banned by using only MMBot... its is litterally impossible.. in every aspect.. it cannot be done.... now you might have got banned and not known about it until you tried to run the bot.. but the bot wasnt the reason that you got banned....... Futhermore, nothing in d2 is 100% now.... there are reports of people getting banned who contest that warden is detecting people that aren't even hacking.. so i dont know.. it is possible that something like Norton or some other kinda AV client or firewall would inject a .dll into the diablo processes.... but i just dont know.. i think that blizz is going to have to laxen their policy and aggressivness with this whole Warden thing... because otherwise people are going to, and maybe already are, getting banned who are legit players that had some other 3rd party prog up thats not a hack.. this thing is quickly becoming a mess. and i dont forsee an end in sight that would please both the players, and also Blizz / Bnet
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u put ur faith in mmbot that much?
Live, Learn, then STFU.
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yea... you have to understand the bot from the programmer's side.. it isnt a program that communicates with the server to move your char.. therefore, it is undetectable... it is just the same as you recording yourself doing one run and then just playing it over and over again.. thats all it is, it has no communication with Bnet servers.. and there are no .dlls or any other intrusions to the diablo II processes... therefore, there isnt a way to detect it... it simply cannot be done... like i said before... the only way that Battle.net could know your botting with MMBot is to track your movements through each game, and if you have a series of games that are exactly alike, or close to, then they would boot you.. but Bnet doesnt have the reasources or the drive to track every moment of every player.. therefore they arent going to be banning people because of MMBot. The bot is a client-side prog with no communication to an outside server... so you cannot detect its presence from anywhere besides on that Pc. thats the bottom line
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well then most ppl that blame this and say they run nothing else either or lying or are just plan retarded unless like somewhere i read that it is possible to get banned for having a firewall
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DaRK_IMMoRTAL Wrote:wait d2loader safe? b/c i swear it took one of my cd-keys unless it was easymap. -_- lol i only got 1 left now.... can't xfer self T.T
wait d2loader safe? b/c i swear it took one of my cd-keys unless it was easymap. -_- lol i only got 1 left now.... can't xfer self T.T
i really just wanna know.. from what everyone thinks..
D2 loader is undetectable...ive been playing for 3 weeks without being detected. Neways D2 loader is not an injected file into a program DLL
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If you're using MMBot, why even bother with D2Loader?
It is impossible to detect (efficiently) MMBot, especially if you use random sequences or what have you (I've never used it).
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First, mmbot uses auto it which moves the mouse around and types making it look like your playing the game.
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Well now that we have Warden... i can understand people saying that they are getting banned from having Firewalls, Anti-Virus or anyother kinda network protection up... from what i know of Warden, its a fairly lame program.. it just scans all applicable D2 proccess, detects for unknown intrustions, stops or misc. files.. and then reports back to Blizz. now the true question is this; is blizz's banning system directly tied to Warden... if there is no person there to oversee Warden's Operations.. then maybe Warden automaticly puts you on the to be banned list if it detects any indescrepensies in your D2 operations.. therefore, if you where running a good Anti-Virus or Firewall that has a port scanner, everytime traffic is deteted to a program. files are put inplace to monitor that traffic.. this could be easily detected by Warden, as they are just simple .exe.dll's.... so i do understand where these people are saying they are getting banned from AV clients / firewalls... but as far as the bot.. its safe... and d2 loader is still a whole'nother topic, that we wont cover in this particular thread
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god you know a lot about this...
from what you said before ootf, if you only are using mmbot, you are undetectable?
and, if you have an old mh from .10, can they still ban you if they somehow find out you used it?
sry, i know nothing about computors, and i dont understand half the stuff you guys are talking about
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first off... to answer your MH question....i dont think there is a maphack out from .10 that will work in .11... but even if there is dont use it.. it will get ur @$$ banned quicker than any other..... secondly yes, I AM 100% SURE THAT MMBOT IS UNDETECTABLE. I have drilled this point home so many times on so many forums that it is sickening.. the only way for Blizz to detect it would require them to break privacy and Microsoft sercurty laws.. so you guyz are not getting banned from the use of MMBot. and Brick... if B-net finds out your doing anything but legit gaming, they will ban you in a heart beat. this is getting to be ludicris.. there are so many people getting banned now.. and the number of people saying that warden isnt perfect and that legit people are getting banned is begining to escalate... so we will see where this goes from here...
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mmbot is undetectable like ootf has stated and if your banned while using it its probably because you have easymap running or another program that interferes and causes warden to think that the interruption is a hack, etc thats preventing you from playing "the way it was supposed to be played" however ive tried using mmbot but i got helplessy confused in the sequencing part so i only use part of mmbot where all the items come out in special colors, such as gold runes, purple uniques etc etc
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Quote:Well now that we have Warden... i can understand people saying that they are getting banned from having Firewalls, Anti-Virus or anyother kinda network protection up...
If that truely is the reason for their bans, then Warden is severly flawed. Maybe after another series of bans performed on innocent dII players Blizzard will consider putting Warden to sleep?:devilish:... No? Oh well, a man can dream though.
As for d2loader, I've been using it every since it came out and still I havn't got banned. Note that the first thing I did before using it was deleting the old plugin folder I used in v1.10.
Well maybe I'm just extremely lucky. It's not that I wanna encourage anyone to use it.
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OOTF Wrote:Well now that we have Warden... i can understand people saying that they are getting banned from having Firewalls, Anti-Virus or anyother kinda network protection up... from what i know of Warden, its a fairly lame program.. it just scans all applicable D2 proccess, detects for unknown intrustions, stops or misc. files.. and then reports back to Blizz. now the true question is this; is blizz's banning system directly tied to Warden... if there is no person there to oversee Warden's Operations.. then maybe Warden automaticly puts you on the to be banned list if it detects any indescrepensies in your D2 operations.. therefore, if you where running a good Anti-Virus or Firewall that has a port scanner, everytime traffic is deteted to a program. files are put inplace to monitor that traffic.. this could be easily detected by Warden, as they are just simple .exe.dll's.... so i do understand where these people are saying they are getting banned from AV clients / firewalls... but as far as the bot.. its safe... and d2 loader is still a whole'nother topic, that we wont cover in this particular thread
That is wrong, if your blocking what warden is sending out then you get c/i every 30 seconds everygame, which explains why everyone was having this problem that were using d2jsp.
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I have been temp banned for only using MMbot pindle.... first hour i was caught. i am not using any other hack/bot and no .dlls have ever been placed in my d2 folder. Yes i do have a firewall and if that somehow is what Warden is banning people for then i can see how OOTF is correct, otherwise i would have to say by hard evidence that MM bot is the program that banned me.
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Temp ban seemed to be false, 30 min later i was allowed back on B.net. Proof that OOTF is right and MMbot alone cannot get someone banned.
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dyna, im not understanding what your telling me im incorrect on... just because you have a firewall up doesnt mean that you would block an incoming ping, because D2 would have to be a trusted program for you to be on Battle.net in the first place... therefore Warden would have permissions to your computer..... the only point that everyone is talking about with AV clients and firewalls is that there are files that scan and oversee traffic accross the open ports to your computer. These files Could be seen as an intrusion by Warden, because they obviously arent part of the original game programming. thats the point that im making about the AV clients and Firewalls... but dyna if you would just specify what your questioning i might be able to answer better... and ieatlivecow.. no 1 here is looking to be proved right.. there are many other people on this site and we are simply disscussing the options and different possible enviroments.. no one is here to rub anything in.. just to discuss..
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Well, when yous say warden bans because of av and firewall its because its blocking what warden is sending out, it doesn't ban you instead you get c/i every 20 seconds into a game. It was the same when people replaced certian files in the diablo 2 folder, warden couldn't send info out so therefore crashes you every game. You only get banned for USING a 3rd party software that diablo 2 doesn't approve of, other then that you can also get banned for spamming.
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dyna... LISTEN TO ME!! lol
im not saying that people are getting banned because an AV or Firewall is stopping an incoming ping.. in order for you to be able to even get on battle.net you would have to give D2 full access rights (in and out) therefore (EDIT: SPELLING) anY subordinate D2 process is going to have access to your computer, and your AV or Firewall will not stop it... What i AM saying is that the files that reside in running processes / open ports could be detected by Warden.. and if Warden and Blizz's banning system are one-in-the-same, then it is possible that Warden detects an "un-original" .exe.dll and reports it to the squasher.. but i dont know how blizz handels their banning.. i think it might be computerized, and if it is.. it is possible to be detected for a program that has nothing to do with hacking D2...
and the whole point to my arguement is that you might NOT have to be USING Sh!t.. think about this.... ok you have a list and size of all legit running d2 processes.. Warden scans for any irregularies in either of these feilds.. knowing that you would have to change 1 of them in order to hack.. therefore.. if there are any .exe 's that are "attacking" or "tied to" any legit d2 process, you would get "detected" by Warden. Additionally if there are any game files or any .dll's that are irregular or over/under sized. this would get you "detected".. the whole point is that an AV client or Firewall is going to attach .exe.dll's, the worst possible combo to be detected by Warden, to the open port(s) on your running diablo 2 processes.. and if they are there and Warden is as crude as i and others believe it to be.. people Could and probably ARE getting banned who were NOT hacking.
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Hmm don't they send the information to blizz hq and they analyze it, and decide if they should use the ban stick?
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i honestly have no idea... idk dyna i doubt that blizz would have the time and reasources to sit there and analyse every scan that Warden takes.. but idk to be honest..
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