Affirmative action and racial quotas

[DaCougarMech]

What is your opinion on affirmative action and racial quotas in areas such as education and business hiring?

[Tool]

Define affirmative action.

[wm_hunter]

Definitions of affirmative action on the Web:
Specific actions in recruitment, hiring, upgrading and other areas designed and taken for the purpose of eliminating the present effects of past discrimination, or to prevent discrimination.
www.uri.edu/affirmative_action/definitions.html

Measures taken to correct the effects of past discrimination in hiring and promotion
www.onlinewbc.gov/docs/starting/glossary.html

Established during FDR's presidency, intended to provide minorities with increased social, economic, educational, and other opportunities.
ftad.osu.edu/CSP/glossary.html

A program that became law with the passage of the Equal Economic Opportunity (EEO) Act of 1972, whereby employers, labor unions, employment agencies, and labor-management apprenticeship programs must actively seek to eliminate discrimination against and increase employment of women and minorities. ...
www.vec.virginia.gov/vecportal/lbrmkt/glossary.cfm

Positive steps to enhance the diversity of some group, often to remedy the cumulative effect of subtle as well as gross expressions of prejudice. When numerical goals are set, they are set according to the group's representation in the applicant pool rather than the group's representation in the general population. ...
www.unmc.edu/ethics/words.html

Good faith efforts to ensure equal employment opportunity and correct the effects of past discrimination against affected groups. Where appropriate, affirmative action includes goals to correct underutilization and development of results-oriented programs to address problem areas.
www.kumc.edu/eoo/glossary.html

Proactively hiring and promoting qualified individuals in protected groups such as minorities, disabled veterans, Vietnam-era veterans and women.
www.usd.edu/equalopp/definitions.cfm

procedures by which racial/ethnic minorities, women, persons in the protected age category, persons with disabilities, Vietnam era veterans, and disabled veterans are provided with increased employment opportunities. This will also include programs for monitoring progress and problem identification. It shall not mean any sort of quota system.
www.oregon.gov/Gov/GovAA/definitions.shtml

a movement that attempts to eliminate or remedy past, present, and future acts of discrimination or the effects of discrimination.
www.sphinxlegal.com/sphinx/content/freeresources/glossaryresult.asp

positive action taken to create a situation which promotes and assists elements of equal opportunity. This can mean removing barriers to equal opportunity in the workplace, such as training women so that they are eligible for a promotion.
www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/a-3.php

actions by employers to seek out actively minorities and women for jobs and to provide them with training and other opportunities for promotion
www.wwnorton.com/stiglitzwalsh/economics/glossary.htm

the practice of actively seeking to increase the number of racial minorities in a work place or school. Such measures may include extra efforts to recruit more applicants, or may include actual quotas for hiring. Supporters say these policies are needed to overcome the patterns of employment and education created when minorities were excluded from many jobs and schools. Critics say some affirmative action policies are unfair, and amount to “reverse discrimination” against whites.
www.fasttrackteaching.com/termsmodern.html

a comprehensive strategy whose aim is to establish the same percentage of minority group members and women at all levels of the workplaces and unions as there are in the general population.
www.iwa2171.bc.ca/education/edu_gloss_union.html

Policy aimed at attracting individuals from groups that have been historically barred from organizations.
www.roundtoplewis.com/define.html

a policy designed to redress past discrimination against women and minority groups through measures to improve their economic and educational opportunities; "affirmative action has been extremely controversial and was challenged in 1978 in the Bakke decision"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Affirmative action (US English), or positive discrimination (British English), is a policy or a program providing advantages for people of a minority group who are seen to have traditionally been discriminated against, with the aim of creating a more egalitarian society. This consists of preferential access to education, employment, health care, or social welfare.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

[SIZE=2]I think that all people should have equal rights and oppertunity. I am one of the most anti-racist people you have ever seen, but I do not think a person should be hired because they are a memeber of a minority, when there are more quallified people for the position.

Harder crimes on racisim, a more equal society and state of mind of all people. People don't stand up to people that are racist - and that is just wrong.

That is what people should aim for - Not trying to hire more minorites because they are afraid of being accused of being racist, but trying to do the best to stop the hate and treat all people with equality.
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[BlindMansTicket]

"I'm black, my ancestors were slaves, give me the job/scholarship."

Like you'd have it any better hunting wildebeests in africa in 110 degree heat. Say Thank you.

[Quagmire_68]

"I'm black, my ancestors were slaves, give me the job/scholarship."

Like you'd have it any better hunting wildebeests in africa in 110 degree heat. Say Thank you.

Rofl

but i hate when black people bring up slavery

[DaCougarMech]

Definitions of affirmative action on the Web:
Specific actions in recruitment, hiring, upgrading and other areas designed and taken for the purpose of eliminating the present effects of past discrimination, or to prevent discrimination.
www.uri.edu/affirmative_action/definitions.html

Measures taken to correct the effects of past discrimination in hiring and promotion
www.onlinewbc.gov/docs/starting/glossary.html

Established during FDR's presidency, intended to provide minorities with increased social, economic, educational, and other opportunities.
ftad.osu.edu/CSP/glossary.html

A program that became law with the passage of the Equal Economic Opportunity (EEO) Act of 1972, whereby employers, labor unions, employment agencies, and labor-management apprenticeship programs must actively seek to eliminate discrimination against and increase employment of women and minorities. ...
www.vec.virginia.gov/vecportal/lbrmkt/glossary.cfm

Positive steps to enhance the diversity of some group, often to remedy the cumulative effect of subtle as well as gross expressions of prejudice. When numerical goals are set, they are set according to the group's representation in the applicant pool rather than the group's representation in the general population. ...
www.unmc.edu/ethics/words.html

Good faith efforts to ensure equal employment opportunity and correct the effects of past discrimination against affected groups. Where appropriate, affirmative action includes goals to correct underutilization and development of results-oriented programs to address problem areas.
www.kumc.edu/eoo/glossary.html

Proactively hiring and promoting qualified individuals in protected groups such as minorities, disabled veterans, Vietnam-era veterans and women.
www.usd.edu/equalopp/definitions.cfm

procedures by which racial/ethnic minorities, women, persons in the protected age category, persons with disabilities, Vietnam era veterans, and disabled veterans are provided with increased employment opportunities. This will also include programs for monitoring progress and problem identification. It shall not mean any sort of quota system.
www.oregon.gov/Gov/GovAA/definitions.shtml

a movement that attempts to eliminate or remedy past, present, and future acts of discrimination or the effects of discrimination.
www.sphinxlegal.com/sphinx/content/freeresources/glossaryresult.asp

positive action taken to create a situation which promotes and assists elements of equal opportunity. This can mean removing barriers to equal opportunity in the workplace, such as training women so that they are eligible for a promotion.
www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/a-3.php

actions by employers to seek out actively minorities and women for jobs and to provide them with training and other opportunities for promotion
www.wwnorton.com/stiglitzwalsh/economics/glossary.htm

the practice of actively seeking to increase the number of racial minorities in a work place or school. Such measures may include extra efforts to recruit more applicants, or may include actual quotas for hiring. Supporters say these policies are needed to overcome the patterns of employment and education created when minorities were excluded from many jobs and schools. Critics say some affirmative action policies are unfair, and amount to “reverse discrimination” against whites.
www.fasttrackteaching.com/termsmodern.html

a comprehensive strategy whose aim is to establish the same percentage of minority group members and women at all levels of the workplaces and unions as there are in the general population.
www.iwa2171.bc.ca/education/edu_gloss_union.html

Policy aimed at attracting individuals from groups that have been historically barred from organizations.
www.roundtoplewis.com/define.html

a policy designed to redress past discrimination against women and minority groups through measures to improve their economic and educational opportunities; "affirmative action has been extremely controversial and was challenged in 1978 in the Bakke decision"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Affirmative action (US English), or positive discrimination (British English), is a policy or a program providing advantages for people of a minority group who are seen to have traditionally been discriminated against, with the aim of creating a more egalitarian society. This consists of preferential access to education, employment, health care, or social welfare.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

[SIZE=2]I think that all people should have equal rights and oppertunity. I am one of the most anti-racist people you have ever seen, but I do not think a person should be hired because they are a memeber of a minority, when there are more quallified people for the position.

Harder crimes on racisim, a more equal society and state of mind of all people. People don't stand up to people that are racist - and that is just wrong.

That is what people should aim for - Not trying to hire more minorites because they are afraid of being accused of being racist, but trying to do the best to stop the hate and treat all people with equality.
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well said. that sums up my position quite well. i do not believe that america can learn a lesson on racism and discrimination when it actively does it against a the former socially ruling group. people bring up how blacks were slaves in the past or how the chinese were exploited but the fact is that no matter how well meaning they are, they are still stuck in the mindset of grouping people into race. they feel guilty for treating our ancestors the way they did in the past but they are making the same mistake by inheriting the guilt of their race even though somebody that is not them did those actions. the reason that minorities dont complain about it is because we want to take advantage of this. however, it is not right. if blacks had felt guilt and thus agreed to be slaves, we would still have slavery. people cant hold themselves accountable for what somebody in the past with the same skin color did
i'm getting off track. anyways, i think that the worst thing we can do while recovering from an anti-minority attitude is to convert to an anti-white attitude out of guilt. it's just as wrong and it punishes innocent caucasians who have worked just as hard and are just as qualified as any minority. look at the person, not the pigment

[SpoonMan999]

In many cases white workers are losing jobs to less qualified workers because of skin color. Racial quotas are total bullshit, white people have to pay bills as well. Blacks were slaves for so long? Well, I see no shackles on them now and no whip behind them so they can go out and have the chances we do...oh wait no I'm sorry the government gives them a better chance. You know it's our way of saying sorry for whipping your great great great great grandfather back in the day. **** that.

[Tool]

I got in trouble today because I sit next to a black girl and she's always talking shit about white people so my friend and I call her Shaniqua and shit. We are going to be recommended for expulsion if we do it again.

[BlindMansTicket]

I hate that shit. It's ok for blacks to bash white people, but if you're white and you look at one crosseyed, you are labeled a racist.

That is the only thing I don't like about black people.

[Tool]

People like that are not black. They are, tride and true, nigg3rs.

Red_Brilliance is the perfect example. He is an EXAMPLORARY black person. I wish they were all like him. Educated, not "thug this and thug that", and bling bling.

[Aemaeth]

pop a cap in yo ass.

[DaCougarMech]

you have to consider whether or not you can really label all blacks as white bashers. from what i see, white bashers like that are really the same people as the white racists we hate so much. the only difference is in skin color but the ignorance, thick skulled thinking, and blatant denial are all the same

[BlindMansTicket]

I personally see more black folks bashing white people. I live in utah, white people out number black people 20:1. That's saying something. Or maybe all the blacks here have alot of hate.

[DaCougarMech]

im sure that there's a similar percentage of blacks and whites who feel racial hatred but the fact that our society frowns upon whites bashing on blacks must have something to do with how it seems that blacks bash on whites more. i say that whites dont do it anymore because they are immediately labeled as racist while people generally look away or make excuses for blacks who bash on whites

[BlindMansTicket]

mm hm

[SpoonMan999]

im sure that there's a similar percentage of blacks and whites who feel racial hatred but the fact that our society frowns upon whites bashing on blacks must have something to do with how it seems that blacks bash on whites more. i say that whites dont do it anymore because they are immediately labeled as racist while people generally look away or make excuses for blacks who bash on whites

Which is total bullshit.

[Clipper]

alot of times, there are cases where a person, lets say hes black, will say he didnt get hired because of that reason, yet in his past he may have screwed up. And the person was going off that incident. So idk.. im mixed on this so i put no opinion...


btw, here in dixon missouri, its basicly a small white town, and we have rivalries between another bigger town near us, basicly because they are mainly black people. I personally am not racist, i may have the word slip out on accident, but i dont mean it racially... just like calling someone a monday... is the same thing... my friend told me this one haha... i asked why u call black people mondays... and he said "everybody hates mondays... and everybody hates N******" and yes i live in a small country town lol... but hey i listen to nearly all rap haha!

[hellsing293]

white person kills/beats up black person= hate crime
black person kills/beats uo white person= assualt and battery

i know somebody who didn't get hired because of racial quotas because they needed to hire a black guy they even said they didn't want.

Originally posted by Clipper
alot of times, there are cases where a person, lets say hes black, will say he didnt get hired because of that reason, yet in his past he may have screwed up. And the person was going off that incident. So idk.. im mixed on this so i put no opinion...

that's also very true but i don't think it happens as much anymore. people should get hired for their ability, and i think they mostly do. in my town the amount of white people to black is like 100:1, i'm serious. in my entire school theirs about 10 black people. every black kid gets treated special and do like all the shit they want and don't get in trouble. I think if they were to do anything what it's gonna look racist or something? wtf their black so what, thir still ****ing retards. And also, people can't bash on blacks but people bash all the time on mexicans?

[BlindMansTicket]

And also, people can't bash on blacks but people bash all the time on mexicans?

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!

[Z3R0]

Hmmmm...I live in Florida, and in my own experianced opinion I think that when you use affirmative action to try to get people to do things the way they are not used to doing them, then they are most likley going to rebel. I was born and raised in a really ghetto neighborhood (i.e. "I'll bust a cap", or muggings, bike theft through the roof) and now live in an agricultural community where noone openly hates black, but noone really wants to be around them either. So I have been on both sides of the fence and I have learned that either one side or the other will always be arrogant and will rebel against the other. There may never be a standstill where we all "just get along" like people say they want, but do they really want that?