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yo, sorry I can't post on that other thread, unfortunately my work's firewall won't let me. If a mod wants to close / delete this, go ahead.
Digi, do me a favor and list your gear: rings and ammy mainly and helm im thinking. Also your charms (ALL inlcuing Small), resists, stats W/O gear (or estimates). think that's all.
Like frater said, you could pretty easily get 1-2k life with half decent Lifers.
Additionally, to get 7k life you really need to glitch the hell outa him. the rings you'll really need are 10/15-20Str/10+Dex/all res or life or mana. The more str/dex the better so you can save on stat points. If you can acquire these (soooo damn expensive) and a decent ammy to go with it (similar stats), with decent lifers you should easily hit 6-7k life. Unfortunately, this may mean that he needs to be remade once you get this stuff. Also a 18+stat anni/torch wouldn't hurt and the torch shouldnt cost more than 10-15fg. If it were me, i wouldnt spend the time lvling past 88 if you arte thinking about doing what i just posted. just a waste of time. anyways, my 2 cents. maybe frater can comment on this and you can make up your mind.
definitely tell us your jewlery, helm, and stats w/o gear though, to get a feel for your guy.
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db_jynx Wrote:yo, sorry I can't post on that other thread, unfortunately my work's firewall won't let me. If a mod wants to close / delete this, go ahead.
Digi, do me a favor and list your gear: rings and ammy mainly and helm im thinking. Also your charms (ALL inlcuing Small), resists, stats W/O gear (or estimates). think that's all.
Like frater said, you could pretty easily get 1-2k life with half decent Lifers.
Additionally, to get 7k life you really need to glitch the hell outa him. the rings you'll really need are 10/15-20Str/10+Dex/all res or life or mana. The more str/dex the better so you can save on stat points. If you can acquire these (soooo damn expensive) and a decent ammy to go with it (similar stats), with decent lifers you should easily hit 6-7k life. Unfortunately, this may mean that he needs to be remade once you get this stuff. Also a 18+stat anni/torch wouldn't hurt and the torch shouldnt cost more than 10-15fg. If it were me, i wouldnt spend the time lvling past 88 if you arte thinking about doing what i just posted. just a waste of time. anyways, my 2 cents. maybe frater can comment on this and you can make up your mind.
definitely tell us your jewlery, helm, and stats w/o gear though, to get a feel for your guy.
peace
Just adding on, I don't think that glitching is a good idea unless you have absolutely amazing gear. You have to get 156 STR for Monarch, so 20 base, 20 anni, 20 torch, Enigma 70 = 130. You DO NOT want to rely on STR from boots and helm, and you should only rely on STR from 1 FCR ring. Therefore, look for extra from 1 FCR ring and anni. Also, if you think it's for the best, put some points into STR. My Windy has 40 base STR, and I feel that it's the perfect amount since it allows me to play around with gear and experiment. a 10/20/15 ring can be expensive, but a +2 Druid 20%fcr +xx STR is worth way more. I've seen those go for over 3k fg on my realm.
Also, I would not recommend relying on stats from charms. If you are 6 STR short, then it's wiser putting 6 points into STR, if you can afford to replace the +6 STR skiller with a +4x lifer. Best choices for scs are a few with FHR/resi and I would fill up the rest of space with life/5@s and life/11 resi. Fire resist would be best pick, since any Wind Druid is low on that.
And leveling is about as important in dvd as it is in bvb. It's a lot about safety, so higher level oak is better.
Windy is so awesome, you have a lot of liberty for gear choice, so feel free to make your own distribution.
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FraterPerdurabo Wrote:Just adding on, I don't think that glitching is a good idea unless you have absolutely amazing gear. You have to get 156 STR for Monarch, so 20 base, 20 anni, 20 torch, Enigma 70 = 130. You DO NOT want to rely on STR from boots and helm, and you should only rely on STR from 1 FCR ring. Therefore, look for extra from 1 FCR ring and anni.
agreed. I should have clarified. try to find a 10/15+/10+ to get the most out of your gear. if you go 2x fcr rings, then 2 x 10/15+/10+ = no str needed if you can get a few from helm/ammy. i take it you only use 2 x when going 163 setup? if you use Wizzy i'd try for a -15/9/9 to socket it with(seen these, not too expensive, 5-10hrs on east). the better jewelery you can attain, the more life, as we all know.
FraterPerdurabo Wrote:Also, if you think it's for the best, put some points into STR. My Windy has 40 base STR, and I feel that it's the perfect amount since it allows me to play around with gear and experiment. a 10/20/15 ring can be expensive, but a +2 Druid 20%fcr +xx STR is worth way more. I've seen those go for over 3k fg on my realm.
yea, ammy's are really really expensive. the rings should go for a good amount too, but you can find/gamble some pretty decent ones.
FraterPerdurabo Wrote:Also, I would not recommend relying on stats from charms. If you are 6 STR short, then it's wiser putting 6 points into STR, if you can afford to replace the +6 STR skiller with a +4x lifer. Best choices for scs are a few with FHR/resi and I would fill up the rest of space with life/5@s and life/11 resi. Fire resist would be best pick, since any Wind Druid is low on that.
i couldn't agree more. that's why i want to know DiGi's charms. The more lifers you can toss in your inv. the better, including SCs, which give the most per slot. 20/11's and 20/5's are ideal, after you reach your FHR bp of course. that can potentially be a couple hundred up to ~1k (not usre of #'s, just a guesse) after bo and oak.
when you get a chance, i'd like to hear your set-up and stats w/o gear. what realm are you on DiGi?
frater, continue to comment  we'll make the ultimate windy through DiGi!
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db_jynx Wrote:agreed. I should have clarified. try to find a 10/15+/10+ to get the most out of your gear. if you go 2x fcr rings, then 2 x 10/15+/10+ = no str needed if you can get a few from helm/ammy. i take it you only use 2 x when going 163 setup? if you use Wizzy i'd try for a -15/9/9 to socket it with(seen these, not too expensive, 5-10hrs on east). the better jewelery you can attain, the more life, as we all know. The 163%fcr setup that I use only uses 1 FCR ring. I'm not too keen on sacrificing too much damage, so I like to use SoJ as a second ring. SoJ gives a bonus to Oak as well, therefore it's definately a good choice, and if you don't have any SoJs you will be very dependant on mana pots and can easily be worn out by a sorc, in a long duel.
If you use Wizzy, you can even use 2 SoJ, or use 2xFCR ring and your rare helm, choice is up to you. Perhaps I should have pointed this out in my guide, but if you use Wizzy, you will acually need less FHR% for the breakpoints (I think that it's like 87% instead of 99% and like ¬150% instead of 174%). He is going for max block anyway, so -15%/9/9 wouldn't be a good option, but you could use 7%/9/9 instead.
The gear I listed in my guide is what I found to be the most effective without sacrificing too much damage, so I didn't really like the concept of using Wizzy, but feel free to try that if you wish. Actually, I should rewrite some parts of my guide, I'll do that once I get home :/
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FraterPerdurabo Wrote:Perhaps I should have pointed this out in my guide, but if you use Wizzy, you will acually need less FHR% for the breakpoints (I think that it's like 87% instead of 99% and like ¬150% instead of 174%). He is going for max block anyway, so -15%/9/9 wouldn't be a good option, but you could use 7%/9/9 instead. This is somethiing i was made aware of when building mine from SuperM.Derisive, on the bnet forums. He is an amazing guide writer and pretty damn knowledgable of the game.
I see where you're going with the -15... you'll already need the dex for MB, so you'll have plenty. With my setup i went no MB, pure life/fcr setup, so I went a -15/9/other mods. Given MB, then a 7/9/9 is definitely ideal.
I think ppl should definitely be aware of the pros of using wizzy, as it severly cuts down on FCR/FHR needed (10 points or so is severe to me  ). In addition it allows you to be a little more flexible with gear...at the cost of damage. I have always prefered flexibility and frame rate over damage, yet i have only tried that one build, so im not the best to say go this way or that. anyway, hopefully other people are reading this .. lol. this could go a long way to helping Windy's, and if DiGi ever decides to read this, we can disect his stats etc. and try and make the most out of his guy, though i have a terrible feeling if he wants to reach 6.5k+ he's going to have to scrap him confused:
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db_jynx Wrote:This is somethiing i was made aware of when building mine from SuperM.Derisive, on the bnet forums. He is an amazing guide writer and pretty damn knowledgable of the game.
I see where you're going with the -15... you'll already need the dex for MB, so you'll have plenty. With my setup i went no MB, pure life/fcr setup, so I went a -15/9/other mods. Given MB, then a 7/9/9 is definitely ideal.
I think ppl should definitely be aware of the pros of using wizzy, as it severly cuts down on FCR/FHR needed (10 points or so is severe to me ). In addition it allows you to be a little more flexible with gear...at the cost of damage. I have always prefered flexibility and frame rate over damage, yet i have only tried that one build, so im not the best to say go this way or that. anyway, hopefully other people are reading this .. lol. this could go a long way to helping Windy's, and if DiGi ever decides to read this, we can disect his stats etc. and try and make the most out of his guy, though i have a terrible feeling if he wants to reach 6.5k+ he's going to have to scrap him confused:
yes i am going to have to remake my druid. i still need to get a hold of fcr rings and amulet + ele lifers. this was just a test run with the druid.
i have 40 base strength, and 138 into dexterity (i add every to maintain max block).
my res is 8, 48 , 43 , 75 in hell.
currently using a druid totemic mask delerium 2 all skill 3 tornado
maras ( until i get a hold of a crafted druid amulet)
2x sojs (again fcr rings needed)
arach
35 fcr spirit monarch
36 res hoto
15/15 non eth treks
20/19 druid torch
19/10/6 anni
trang gloves
6bo cta on switch with a junk spirit monarch
level 20 bo level 33 oak with spirit
inventory of 9x plain ele gc's (goal after i get the fcr rings with str and dex, amulet.)
10x 20 life sc's
damage is 7046 - 7385
4.2k life with spirit set up
blood fists shadow dancers and ber'd storm shield in stash
idk if this is all you wanted to know but here's what i got ^
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DiGiTaLiS Wrote:yes i am going to have to remake my druid. i still need to get a hold of fcr rings and amulet + ele lifers. this was just a test run with the druid.
i have 40 base strength, and 138 into dexterity (i add every to maintain max block).
my res is 8, 48 , 43 , 75 in hell.
currently using a druid totemic mask delerium 2 all skill 3 tornado
maras ( until i get a hold of a crafted druid amulet)
2x sojs (again fcr rings needed)
arach
35 fcr spirit monarch
36 res hoto
15/15 non eth treks
20/19 druid torch
19/10/6 anni
trang gloves
6bo cta on switch with a junk spirit monarch
level 20 bo level 33 oak with spirit
inventory of 9x plain ele gc's (goal after i get the fcr rings with str and dex, amulet.)
10x 20 life sc's
damage is 7046 - 7385
4.2k life with spirit set up
blood fists shadow dancers and ber'd storm shield in stash
idk if this is all you wanted to know but here's what i got ^ Yeah, your fire resi is certainly too low. Get a perf HOTO (if not using wizzy) it makes all the difference, then a bunch of SCs 20life 11fr, or 5%FHR 11fr.
Delirium is garbage. I know that it's a good substitute helm while you haven't got another one, but hands down, it sucks. Get a rare druid as soon as possible i.e. mine is +2 druid +3 tornado +2 grizzly +life +resis Shaeled.
Don't worry about Treks being non-eth. Druid's have such low defense that the difference from eth treks will merely be nominal.
Be wary that your BO lvl will drop when you take off Mara's, also when you are using Storm, it will probably fall to like 15.
db_jynx Wrote:This is somethiing i was made aware of when building mine from SuperM.Derisive, on the bnet forums. He is an amazing guide writer and pretty damn knowledgable of the game.
Oh cool thanks, I should check him out.
db_jynx Wrote:I see where you're going with the -15... you'll already need the dex for MB, so you'll have plenty. With my setup i went no MB, pure life/fcr setup, so I went a -15/9/other mods. Given MB, then a 7/9/9 is definitely ideal.
I'm completely the opposite, I believe that MB makes you a much more versatile build, even though you lose out on life. But it's true that you are seriously underpowered in dvd especially.
db_jynx Wrote:I think ppl should definitely be aware of the pros of using wizzy, as it severly cuts down on FCR/FHR needed (10 points or so is severe to me ). In addition it allows you to be a little more flexible with gear...at the cost of damage. I have always prefered flexibility and frame rate over damage, yet i have only tried that one build, so im not the best to say go this way or that. anyway, hopefully other people are reading this .. lol. this could go a long way to helping Windy's, and if DiGi ever decides to read this, we can disect his stats etc. and try and make the most out of his guy, though i have a terrible feeling if he wants to reach 6.5k+ he's going to have to scrap him confused:
Hmm, dunno, I think that 6.5 is fine (on my druid I have 7k+ with caster set). Just depends on what you are sacrificing. When I duel casters I have only a little over 5k life, but 99%FHR, 163%FCR and over 7k dam. Nice especially ES sorcs. Anyway, just see how it goes.
Btw I'm afraid that 140 dex is a little too much if you are not going to level much over 90. If you are staying under 90, got for about 100 dex.
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