bot mf hdin build

[kevinbod]

i have seen some builds for a hdin for mfing and i have to say i disagree for some things. not to say they are bad but i'd like to show what i do for my bot.

Stats:
STR none(if you have the right torch and anni)
Dex enough for max block(with holy shield)
Vit all remaining points
energy absolutely none

Skills:
blessed hammer Max
Vigor Max
Blessed aim Max

Concentration Max

Redemption 1 point

Defiance 1 point
Holy shield Remainder
because of the gear, res skills are a waste of points

obviously you will use more points to meet the necessary skills needed to acquire these skills and those should be placed also.

Gear:
there are some changes you can make for yourself but this is what i use:

Wizspike (ist)
Shako (ist)
enig (mp) (remember is u use an "ap" you give up life in the form of Str/Vit stats)
Chancies (get the highest numbers you can) (upped is you want)
wartravs (again " ") (upped if you want)
soj and dwarf star (dwarf for fire absorb and it takes you a long way)
mara (now i have a rare ammy that puts me in the next fcr bp, i would recommend getting one yourself but mara will do the trick)
upped Hoz (ist)
pcomb/12 fhr GC (the 12 fhr is really more important here)
4x 5fhr scs (with any mods you want)
any mf scs you want
Gheeds

i recommend lookn for 20 stats for these: (all res is in an over abundance in this build)
torch
anni

Cta and spirit for secondary (seems to be a must for all builds)
eth insight-eth fort-eth andy's(with ral) for the a-2 merc(get a defensive merc in nightmare for holy frost aura)

Now if you look over this gear set up, on ladder it is incredibly cheap to build. non-ladder not so much but it should still be do-able. i set this paly up with my bot and run everything in the game with no issues at all. the bot will chicken for one reason or another about every 150 runs. i have also de-activated chicken for merc health to reduce these numbers but i never die. also the dwarf star cannot be substituted because that small amount of fire sorb is very important but the soj could be subbed easily. i have a very nice paly/fcr/mf/all res/max mana ammy but maras does work well still, i would recommend hunting down an ammy for fcr though.

::Edited::
the break points here are soft but are still effective:
if u use a mara u are at 70fcr which is 5 from the next bp so its best to get a pally/fcr ammy or a good ring to replace the soj to put u in the 75 fcr bp (125 is not necessary for this build)
you get no FHR from the gear worn so you will need to get it from charms. this is why i say 4x 5fhr scs and a pcomb with 12 fhr. this will place you at a respectable 32 fcr ( which is dead on the 32 fhr bp)


i would still like to know what you guys think about it but those who say this is crap will simply be ignored because i see it work excellently everyday but constructed criticism is very welcome.

[vTipsy]

I don't know why you choose the Wizzy. This build looks extremely solid. but I don't really feel like adding all the % on the mf you have. I Had an easy 350%+ mf on my pally. Why the wizzy? and not the gull dagger? The one thing I will never understand, is how people choose wizzy's and Hoto's over the Gull dagger when Mfing.

[kevinbod]

wizzy makes up for things you may be lacking in other gear when you stack mf like i have. i get around of 300 runs in a day, which only includes baal, nilathek and diablo. which isnt incredibly fast but definitely makes up for it in drops that i do get. the wizzy give tons of res and fcr, which allows me to swap mage fists for chancies (more easily anyway) and take the ums out of my shako and hoz. the gull gives an excellent amount of mf yes but it does take away from these things. wizzy also has a nifty little mana bonus and mana regin to boot. ofc insight sorta makes that less important but its still a nice plus in my book.

another thing that made me choose wizzy at the beginning was the fact that i was having a little trouble getting my hands on a hoto while i was building lol. in the end i think i like it a little more. i would still like to hit the next fcr bp to speed things up, but the only way i can think do do that would drop a fair amount of mf. like magefists, lidless and maybe some jewels or rare helm but i dont really like that idea. i only really get around 330 mf atm (counting just off thinking about what i got) but i do survive pretty well considering the build was pretty damned cheap too.

[vTipsy]

Reasonable. But, Between 300-400% is the Best mf you want actually. You have a pretty good setup then if you have over 300. The thing people don't realize, is that over 400% isn't good. They all honestly think the more mf they have the better, which I can see why, But I've Been told by someone that looked into the mf thing that 300-400% is what you want. Apparently Blizzard Set it this way. Because, I'm in between this mark and so are you, and from what you said you get considerable good drops. So do I. So I honestly say Change nothing, But! If you can change something to make yourself faster, and still stay in between that 300-400 Range. Let me know what your wearing.

[kevinbod]

oh yea i know that going past 400 is bad, in fact ive seen things go south at around 390 in the end all i really need to do is really add a ist to my hoz (cant only because i need to soc it) get higher travs (mine are 44mf) and a better gheeds (i thinks its like a 29mf) so i can bring that number up a bit more without worrying about passing that mark or giving up anything. i find it funny when i see ppl with 700 plus mf lol

[Blue]

It's not "bad."

When you have magic find it gives increase chances to find magic, rare, set, and unique items.

However, it raises magic by the highest amount, then rare, then set, and then uniques.

So when it says +40% to magic find, it's like 40% magic, 25% rare, 10% set, and 2.5% unique.
Of course, not all those percentages are right, but yoiu get the idea.

[kevinbod]

yea, ive seen the charts. i couldnt say whether or not your numbers are right but it does fit the picture. but yea its the amount of blues you would get that sorta defeats the purpose of using mf to begin with.

[Tap]

Why anybody would not want 125% Fcr is beyond me
Speed= more Drops

[kevinbod]

yea speed is important but stacking mf along with hard caps on fcr and fhr is hard to do while you are trying to increase your ability to survive. also i could probably get to the next fcr cap easily but i would drop skill points, which in turn reduces damage which reduces speed also. so any way you look at it, as long as i can get over 200 runs in a day and have over 300 mf, i think its good enough. the way i see it, soft cap on fcr, fhr, over 300 mf and 11k hammers is about as good as it gets. ofc i could always drop all my mf and make the runs with a pvp set.

[afxwinter]

What belt do you use for this build?

[bugme143]

What belt do you use for this build?

probably arachs for +1 skills and fcr

[Juke]

Rock it with 6x Isted Crystal Sword and 4xIst Monarch. Make up for fcr and restance some were else lol

but really the 6x Isted Crystal Sword with /Hoz plus enigma plus shako plus trav is over 300