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SpoonMan999 Wrote:And I'm really sick of hearing "Cheater!" everytime you guys lose now...pointing fingers didn't work in 2000 and it wont work now. . I'm not saying Bush cheated this election because there are not really enough facts to back it up. I think it is possible though because if you look at the life of Dubya, you realize that something just isn't quite right.
Lets look at his education. King George went to Yale. He got into Yale with a 1205 SAT score. Hmm...interesting, I got a 1390 and I definitely did not get into Yale, but then again my dad is not rich either. While at Yale, he got C's. You don't get C's at Yale, unless of course you have a rich alumnus father. After Yale, he went to Harvard where he got a Masters in business administration.
Of course, with his awesome Yale and Harvard degrees, that were bought for him, he went into the oil industry. Just like the rest of his life, he failed. Not once, but twice. Where he was eventually saved by the Saudis. Then daddy bought Dubya a baseball team. That didn't go so well either. Eventually little Georgie rode daddy's shoulders to become governor of Texas.
Then in 2000, poor little Georgie wanted to become President. Just like everything else in his life, his family had to do it for him. Considering that the his brother just happen to be the Governor of Florida. Daddy had a bunch of lawyer friends from when he was president to go and save the day for Dubya. Let's not forget that his cousin worked for fox, which happen to be the station that put Bush winning Florida 1st. Which made it look like Gore was the one who was the cry baby, not poor little Georgie.
My point is that history repeats itself. There are many occurances where things were just handed to Bush just because he had the name "Bush". So did he cheat to win this year? Probably.
Oh and Nubli, if your mom hasn't read "stupid white men" she should. Although its Michael Moore (not a big fan of his) it does get you to think.
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TroGdoR Wrote:Offical Presidential Inauguration Day: January 1st 2005.
And to Nubli: According to your original post, your sources are not convincing. And to say the 5 mainstream news channels are Republican is just misleading all on its own. It's common knowledge that media is very very liberal. I'm done now, you guys are allowed to scratch your heads and continue to wonder just how you lost..
How can you say the news media is very liberal? Guys, think about the broader picture here. I'm not talking about local/semi-local news channels, I'm talking about the actual companies themselves, Fox, CNN, and the others, they are ALL very supportive of the Republicans.
UberGrossMan I'm glad you posted in here. You seem to know pretty much what I know.
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too lazy to explain again...
4sylum Wrote:and i don't know what news stations you watch nubli but just about every station ive seen were huge kerry supporters. all they talked about was kerry and almost all the ads on the station were for kerry. In a very large majority of the polls before the election bush was on top.
of course this isnt a surprise to me I knew right away when bush won every democrat and their brother would start accusing him of cheating. I live in a town that is extremely democratic and i hear bullshit accusations like this all the time.
Its like when they started saying Bush wore a wire at the debates. It's just stupid. Why can't anyone ever just admit that he won. There is always an bs excuse when a Republican representative does something good. Seriously, get a life. bush won. deal with it.
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SpoonMan999 Wrote:True Silver but the media in general is very liberal. Most celebrities are liberal and most TV organizations. Hell around here we refer to CNN as the Clinton New Network. Fox is the only truly conservative network out there. And I'm really sick of hearing "Cheater!" everytime you guys lose now...pointing fingers didn't work in 2000 and it wont work now. Also the media isn't suppressing it Nubli they would crack this story in an instant if it had any truth to it to increase their ratings.
How can you say the media won't supress this or didn't supress the Florida 2000 matter? It was proven that Bush cheated in 2000, but not very many people knew about it because the media NEVER said ANYTHING about it, and they still haven't.
4sylum Wrote:too lazy to explain again...
Bush didn't win legitimately. Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you. You can be as dense as you want with this issue, or you can try figuring out things for yourself.
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omfg this is getting pathetic. Want to know why the news didnt say anything about Bush cheating in 2000?. Bush didnt cheat in 2000 and he didnt cheat in 2004. He didnt wear a wire in the debate. the media is liberal except fox. BUSH WON. does there have to be some stupid liberal conspiracy for everything that he does jesus christ
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4sylum Wrote:omfg this is getting pathetic. Want to know why the news didnt say anything about Bush cheating in 2000?. Bush didnt cheat in 2000 and he didnt cheat in 2004.
How can you say Bush didn't cheat in 2000? God, let me explain it...
Before the election Bush made it so people who had a serious criminal record not able to vote. Fair enough? Read on..
He didn't set many limitations to this. The pollers or whatever who print out the lists of names of people registered to vote were asked to look up the last names of these ex-convicts. But they were told to only type in as few as half of the letters in the last name, so when the names started showing up, the ex-convicts were listed, but also many people who WERENT ex-convicts.
So these people go to their local polling place and are told they aren't registered (when they were.) Screwy, huh? Well it turns out that there were MANY people turned back because of this. What's even more interesting is the fact that it was proven that most of these votes were going to Gore. They have voted democratic many times in the past. They were mainly African-American. Minority votes usually go democratic.
When these people actually went to the Senate to appeal this, of course the republicans denied it all. But the democrats KNEW about it. But most of the democratic senators thought that the election was the will of the America people. That was the biggest mistake ever. So thinking this, not one signed an appeal. They were all turned down. Since Gore was in charge, he had to legally turn them all down himself.
Now if you still think I'm bullshitting you, watch Farenheight 9/11. Even if you support Bush, just watch it anyway. You can ignore everything else if you want to. But it has this whole story on the video. It tells you of everything that went on and what the result was.
4sylum Wrote:omfg this is getting pathetic. Want to know why the news didnt say anything about Bush cheating in 2000?. Bush didnt cheat in 2000 and he didnt cheat in 2004. He didnt wear a wire in the debate. the media is liberal except fox. BUSH WON. does there have to be some stupid liberal conspiracy for everything that he does jesus christ
The media is NOT liberal, unless there are such things as liberal Bush supporters, which I don't think there is.
As for the debate, it WAS a wire box-like thing. Somehow they were able to take a picture of it, even though they were instructed to NOT take pictures from behind. Why do you think they were told not to go behind, hmm? Probably that. Now think about it. How many people wearing suits have a box-like shape on their back?
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Allright my 2 cents worth here...I do not think anyone *cheated*!!Come on people ! Voting is a right...a privaledge as part of our constitutional rights!The votes were cast...the Tally taken...Bush won...get the heck over it folks!BTW I voted for Bush 
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*Sighs* Nubli, I'll give you a pass because you reside in California. I love to see your enthusiasm on the issue. But unfortunately enough, you will have to get over the fact that Bush won. Because he did, and there will be 4 more years with him as president, and thats all. Your opinions are yours, and they are fine, even if most disagree with you. Conspiracy theories help knock off a lot of the truth and spicen things up a bit. I highly doubt Bush cheated the way you said he did, and for some reason if you are right, then tomorrow I hope to wake up and see the aliens from Roswell in my backyard, Joe DiMaggio's dead body ordering the Russian mafia to kill me next, and Elvis Presley singing "Hound Dog" in my room...but until then, I'll have to disagree with everything you said. :p
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just watch next their going to say "Aliens make pact with bush to abduct and brainwash people to vote for him."
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Guys, it's been PROVEN that Bush cheated in 2000. The theories going about right now are very unsettled. I accepted the fact that Bush won this election. I didn't know how he could have, because every poll I looked at showed Kerry in favor by a few percent each poll. But I accepted it. I couldn't explain how he won, but he did. Now, out of the shadows comes this complaint that the Bush administration got the Diebold company (which manufactures e-voting machines) to change the votes a little bit. In the http://www.votergate.tv 35 minute video, it shows how somebody working at the company could open the program, change the votes around, save it, and then on the total votes screen, they would be altered. Don't you think that is pretty disturbing that someone could change votes in 90 seconds? Watch that video on that website. It's a big download, but explains a lot.
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wait why do they make it so its the states that count not the people... its called like electorial votes...?
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4sylum Wrote:just watch next their going to say "Aliens make pact with bush to abduct and brainwash people to vote for him."
Alright I'm tired of this. Next time I see you make any sort of post which doesn't directly imply, but nonetheless implies, that democrats are idiots, you are banned for as long as I say. I didn't put it in flame wars for a reason.
~Carry on the discussion.
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ok nubli. ban people because they dont agree with you. nice leadership skills
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i think its good that Bush won, he gives pay raises to the american soldiers, and the only thing that he did that wasnt that good was send us to war. But that actually helped alot of innocent Iraqi's out. And so alot of soldiers died, and that should be expected from a war plus they signed up to the Army knowing they had a chance to go to war and fight so every1 needs to stop complainin about the war.
About the hacking if the republicans did in fact hack the machines then why cant the democrats do the same thing? tell me that? And i dont believe that the major new stations are republican i believe its quite opposite. All you hear about on the news is Bush this Bush that blah blah blah i dont hear anything bad about Kerry or Edwards.
Besides there is really no point in arguing about politicians they lie they cheat who cares they are basically all the same and i dont really like any of em
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This is retarded. Bush didn't cheat, get over the fact that he is will remain in the Oval Office. He didn't cheat in 2000, he didn't cheat in this past election. Bush didn't do anything like restrict ex-convicts from voting or anything. People in prison cannot vote, that's probably what got spinned. When you're in prison, your rights are taken away. And yes, the media IS liberal, give me a break. You must be insane to think the media isn't biased.
EDIT: Kerry was in the lead in polls because everybody thought Kerry would take the young/college student vote.
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N u b l i Wrote:watch Farenheight 9/11. Holy cow, how many times do I have to say it? That film is total garbage. Look at the man who made it, come on. He's a Bush hater and a bomb thrower. Good Lord, stop talking about this movie because it's BS.
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Quote: Allright my 2 cents worth here...I do not think anyone *cheated*!!Come on people ! Voting is a right...a privaledge as part of our constitutional rights!The votes were cast...the Tally taken...Bush won...get the heck over it folks!BTW I voted for Bush
Voting is NOT a right, it’s a privilege... convicted felons are unable to vote... it's not a right
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lets just say bush "cheated"
so what are u gonna do about it?
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Why say he did when he didn't? People would be UP HIS BUTT if he cheated.
EDIT: Who gave me all those points? Thanks. 
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bush won fair and square so dont go saying that he didnt you all know he did
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