who should be a superpower if usa ever winds down?

[Venom]

well if the U.S was in the war in the inr begining i bet it would have ended a whole lot sooner and the pearl harbor incident may have never happened, the U.S. were of not major help untill late into the war for BOTH of them the more or less canada ,biritan , russia took the largest force of the armies and when the germans were weakend the U.S. came in helped in the effort and tried to take all the glory the U.S. were lazy bastards!!!

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the U.S. came in helped in the effort and tried to take all the glory the U.S. were lazy bastards!!!

Yeah, we're lazy because we didn't take part in a war we had basically nothing to do with, and I don't think we tried to take all the glory. We did, however, cause Japan to surrender unconditionally due to the (well, in my opinion, at least) largest terroristic event in history; the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki..

And we did take part in D-Day, which was like the only part of the war Canada was in... And they only took one beach. I fail to see how Canada did more than the U.S. Correct me, please.

[C-Man619]

Uhh... Do you know what Hitler said during WW2? He said that if he had german Generals and Canadian soldiers, he would have won. Canada was one of the biggest defenses in WWI and WWII, and the germans actually feared the Canadians so much that something like 29 German soldiers surrendered to a Canadian soldier after they seen his shoulder pad thing showing he was Canadian. Do you know how this happened? He was by a tree taking a shit, with his gun leaning against it out of reach, 29 (I think) soldiers walked into view of him, seen him, and surrendered. Canada did nothing you say?

I don't believe America tried to take all the glory, though I know they seen they could so did. They stayed out of the war because they didn't CARE!!! Even after the Halocaust, the American's really didn't care (well the American Government anyways, not saying all American's are pricks, that would be like saying every German is a NAZI supporter). They bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki because Japan attacked them, that was it. It had nothing to do with stealing glory or helping the Allies.

Also, the Americans did land on D-Day, but on a Drop (might have been d-day, I forget what one it was) The canadians had to swing around after advancing farther and faster than the americans because they landed in the wrong spot. So the American's were trapped back, and the Canadians came to the rescue... wow? lol

We also had some of our troops under British Generals in Italy during basically the whole war of WWII. A British General thought it a good idea to attack the soft underbelly, so they went for Italy, and were quite suprised to find it to be basically the toughest spot of anywheres to attack, basically because of the mountain chain cutting Italy in 2. It took the whole war for Britain to ALMOST reach the top, and Canada had soldiers being deported to there in order to help them be stupid.

So, you asked politely to be corrected, and you're welcome

American History is basically made up of propaganda, remember, he who wins the war, writes the books.

[[/sarcasm]]

the germans actually feared the Canadians so much that something like 29 German soldiers surrendered to a Canadian soldier after they seen his shoulder pad thing showing he was Canadian. Do you know how this happened? He was by a tree taking a shit, with his gun leaning against it out of reach, 29 (I think) soldiers walked into view of him, seen him, and surrendered. Canada did nothing you say?

I would love to see your proof of this.

[C-Man619]

I don't have proof, I learned it in History class. My History teacher is the kinda guy that searches for true cool stories, and when I say search I mean search. He has travelled all over France, he's been to the trench lines, he's been to countless battle fields, he's been all over europe just to look at war stuff. He also majors in History and literature, he was a military officer (theres the explanation why he's obsessed with wars), and he is a very opinionated guy. He tends to not lie, so I will take his word on it.

[Venom]

in ww1 after the battle at vimmy ridge all the canadian forces there were deem strom troopers after the battle ended in a major victory for canada germans were terrified of canada's troops , the nfld forces took the most casualties and kept of fighting even when they knew it was a almost impossable fight , over in europe there are littlerally twice as many memorials to canadian troops compared to america
we even dealt with the first use of chemical warfare and held the line during the use mustard gas my make shifting gas masks

gawd if we had a liberal government when the avroaero was near completion we would have had the first supersonic aircraft in the skies one of the best of its times btw

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u should have used actual info and not ur word

[Bloodangel26]

It's not only that. The Russians vastly overpowered the German armies in the Eastern front. Hitler drew a line across the Baltic, and he said that the territory beyond that line was to be defended at all costs, and concentrated most of his men there. They were still outnumbered about 1:20 in each battle, and for every German soldier that fell, there was no replacement, but if 20 Russian soldiers fell, there were 100 replacements. Why do you think that the Soviets had the largest casualties in the war? They could have sustained another year of such warfare without running out of manpower.

yes i will admit that is true....but if i remember correctly, and i might not, the russians still were not getting anywhere on the eastern front and might not have at all if the west front wasnt opened

American History is basically made up of propaganda.

this is not really true. i knew full well already what part canada played in the war. except for your story about german's being terrified of canadians...that part i dont buy into

well if the U.S was in the war in the inr begining i bet it would have ended a whole lot sooner and the pearl harbor incident may have never happened, the U.S. were of not major help untill late into the war for BOTH of them the more or less canada ,biritan , russia took the largest force of the armies and when the germans were weakend the U.S. came in helped in the effort and tried to take all the glory the U.S. were lazy bastards!!!

couple flaws here, i'll start at the beginning...the US wasnt a major help till late in the war? hmm....who built pretty much all britains equipment after they ran out in the initial part of the war?

canada, britain, and russia vs germany? i dont think so....at very first it was france britain and russia slightly later. but the french didnt last very long. if i remember correctly, i think i do this time but i could be mistaken, canada didnt enter the war until the US did

saying the US stayed out of the war for so long is just plain ignorant...perhaps you could pull your head out of your ass for a second and consider a few factors: firstly, why would the US want to enter a war and kill off most of their young men? most countries would try to avoid a war if they could. another reason that was very big, any idea how many german americans there are? A LOT...our economy was already pushing itself hard to build enough equipment for the allies, let alone fight for ourselves...there are a few more reasons, but i think that will be sufficient for now

[C-Man619]

this is not really true. i knew full well already what part canada played in the war. except for your story about german's being terrified of canadians...that part i dont buy into

Well if you knew what part Canada took in the war, then you would know they were at least somewhat scared of the canadians. I mean, did you even bother to read Venom's post? (Also sorry, I guess I posted something I can't 100% back up, though I was taught it in school so I figured that would be enough).

Also, in WWI Canada was in the war way before the americans, because canada was not an actual country at the time, and were considered one of Britains colonies. Britain entered the war Aug 1st or 3rd or something, Canada Followed Aug 10th. Not sure if month is right there, I just remember a few #'s, and I know it was the same year and month. WWII, the Canadians entered again with the British, if not the same day, not far behind them.

Did you also know part of the German's fear towards us was the fact they seen us as almost equals? World War II was started based on Germany's "fan base" of being the supreme being, in other words they are better than everyone else in their opinion. They seen Britain, and it's colonies (Canada included), as the cousins of the supreme race, and therefore as equals or close to it. They even attempted an alliance with Britain in the beginning, though Britain declined. (Again, feel free to believe me, I did not get this off the internet, I learned it in school. That is where I go to learn things )

Yes, maybe the US did supply Britain with some stuff, though a town in Nova scotia or New Brunswick Canada exported the largest supply of bullets during WWII. We were also quite famour for our export in wood, some fuels, and the factories pumped out artillery and weapons still. the US was not the major supplier of stuff during WWII, it was much cheaper for Britain to buy from it's collonies or make them itself.

Also, just a neet little fact so you can say you learned something today other than Canada IS important, Hitler had the technoloy early in the war to make fighter jets that were supreme to anything on the planet at the time, though he wanted bombers to get revenge on [I forget the place], and since the technology couldn't be used for bombers, he cut funding. Also, Hitler has the technology for the A Bomb before the americans did, though he did not believe in science very much so he also cut funding to that. Not to mention einstein was jewish, or part jewish, and since the NAZI party was killing all the jews, gays, handicapps, etc... He lost Einstein, who fled to America and showed them the outline to create the nuclear bomb (though he didn't intent it for a bomb, it was just research on seperating an atom, and the americans used it as a mass nuclear weapon).

[Bloodangel26]

Also, just a neet little fact so you can say you learned something today other than Canada IS important, Hitler had the technoloy early in the war to make fighter jets that were supreme to anything on the planet at the time, though he wanted bombers to get revenge on [I forget the place], and since the technology couldn't be used for bombers, he cut funding. Also, Hitler has the technology for the A Bomb before the americans did, though he did not believe in science very much so he also cut funding to that. Not to mention einstein was jewish, or part jewish, and since the NAZI party was killing all the jews, gays, handicapps, etc... He lost Einstein, who fled to America and showed them the outline to create the nuclear bomb (though he didn't intent it for a bomb, it was just research on seperating an atom, and the americans used it as a mass nuclear weapon).

get off your high horse...i knew all that already...stop trying to show off, you are making yourself look like an ass. P.S. its spelled neat.

no i did not read venom's post because he posted while i was still typing mine

if the US wasnt a big supplier, why did a ton of american supply ships get sunk by uboats? which was the reason for the invention of the convoy?

umm....if german's thought canadians and british were equal, they would have thought that about the americans too, since you know, the US was originally "founded" by britain

canada wasnt important back then(because it was still part of britain) and its not all that important now...now its pretty much just the US' little brother

since you seem to love trying to teach people things they already know, did you know that hitler himself was part jewish? maybe you can go impress some 12 yr olds with that fact...

[Venom]

blood for both wars canada was in from the start and the amricans in ww2 entered the war in 1942-1945 canada joined the war in 1939 in ww1 the us joined the war in 1917-1918, canada was was once again joined the war in 1914 , so how can you say that we joined at the same time you did?

well i dont have the greatest memory of who's who in the war so i forgot france they were taken out early on
a link of ww1 battles for canada (yes some of my info is a bit bloched )
http://www.around.ntl.sympatico.ca/~toby/ww1.html

about the germans total fear i dunno about that but the germans had high regards of canadian troopers
(rly cant find a good link for canada in ww2 )
even so with that major disadvantage and the germans recovery of the stock market crash so early on canada,britan,france and russia still went to fight since germany broke the treaty of Versailles and invaded Poland

every country was suffering from the depression and they still fought germany with its recovery of the depression
(but this will go no where since u have your way and i have my way and no one has the correct version of what happend other than the people that were there during the war)

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holy **** i typed slow , i was typing this one out while reading your post after mine lol
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cman u need better proof then "i learned it at school" post a link of what you have since its gives more of a soild proof then saying you remember it

[C-Man619]

get off your high horse...i knew all that already...stop trying to show off, you are making yourself look like an ass. P.S. its spelled neat.

High Horse? You are the one who started it with saying Canada is basically useless, was always useless, and will always be useless. Also, how am I looking like an ass out of this? You keep posting even more false information that I am, if I am at all, and I am ****ing baked out of my mind right now. PS neet/neat no1 gives a ****.

no i did not read venom's post because he posted while i was still typing mine

Maybe you should try looking at the thread before AND after you post, in case someone else smarter than you decides to post.

if the US wasnt a big supplier, why did a ton of american supply ships get sunk by uboats? which was the reason for the invention of the convoy?

Well if so many were destroyed, then how were they a major supplier? Wow, the americans suck at shipping goods, so the convoy was made! WOW no1 cares.. We got our goods to their designated destination for the most part.

umm....if german's thought canadians and british were equal, they would have thought that about the americans too, since you know, the US was originally "founded" by britain

Not really... The americans broke off of Britain around 1750 during the american revolution (In which france took part of to help the americans and the victory of the american revolution helped lead to the french revolution in 1789), so they aren't quite so similar to the brits as one would think. Or one would not think them so similar as they really were O.o wierd...

canada wasnt important back then(because it was still part of britain) and its not all that important now...now its pretty much just the US' little brother

Uhh... back then, it was Britains main collonie for raw materials and during the wars one of Britains best suppliers... It is important now because we have the highest % of the worlds fresh water supply, we are the only country in the world that can survive if we were to go completely solo (no trading type thing) because you need 19 elements to survive on your own, and Canada has them all. Have you ever been to France and other such places in Europe? The americans aren't treated very well, where as when people find out you are canadian, they treat you like a ****ing king. So basically people love us a lot more, and even if we are seen as the US' "little brother", we are more just the younger brother that pays the bills and gets you out of jail or trouble.

since you seem to love trying to teach people things they already know, did you know that hitler himself was part jewish? maybe you can go impress some 12 yr olds with that fact...

Actually I didn't know that Hitler was part Jewish, because my history teacher probably mentioned it on a day I skipped or was sleeping, if it is true. Also, if you are 12, go lay down somewheres until you grow up and realize reality. If you are older than 12, maybe you need to go lay down a little longer. don't try to "impress" people with stuff, I don't even think I know anything in history that fluently, I just love it as a subject. I figured since there was a thread, and a poll, I would vote and give my opinion on the matter, in which I would argue my opinion until clearly proven wrong. All I hear from you is badmouthnig and changed stories?


EDIT: Sorry Venom, but I am really stoned on some good comotose dope right now and I am to lazy to go looking all over the internet for facts that may or may not be true, since it is in fact the internet. I just go by what I know or have heard most the time, and unless he starts posting some hard proof from a reliable source, don't think I should need to either. Though I see you did post a site, and good job on backing that up.

[Fuggle]

Russia was pretty much safe from the depression being as they were communist, after Russia was Japan as one of the 2nd least affected major power. Also C w/e everything you are taught in school isn't true. I once had a Bio teacher who told us that Humans were Arthropods. One of the things I remember from my History class was a book called "Lies my Teacher told me" where it goes over commonly taught misceptions of History.
As for people who singlehandedly did something, the only one I can think of was like that Rook fella who captured 100 something Germans on his own, I forgot what nationality he was like British or American or something. Italy was British and American, that's where Patton was sent after fighting in North Africa vs. Rommel quite a bit. It's called a World War because it was a collection of forces not one country doing everything, so saying Canada or US or Russian or whoever you want to back up did all the fighting is complete crap. Anyways, prior to D-Day the war effort for the Allies was pitiful. France was totally lost and obliterated. According the generals who decided to Nuke the Japs, It was to save lives. The logic was that since the Japanese soldiers fought to the death instead of surrendering they figured that an all out invasion of Japan would kill hundreds of thousands more. They also had another benefit to nuking Japan. INTIMIDATION. Some say that the Intimidation factor was more important to the officers than winning the War vs Japan then and there. Russia was doing jack shit to help the US attack Japan, they went like a few miles south of Russia and were like **** it. Russia was considered dangerous, so what way to get them out of their way than to make a BIG ass (Vulgar ) display of Power. Then the Rosenbergs supposedly leaked the info on Nukes to the Russians and such was the Cold War. As for Germany's policy on the Nukes, I know jack.
As for Militarial Superpowers, I always remember it as if you had enough Nukes to destroy the planet (Not the planet itself but all its inhabitants) than you were officially called a Superpower, from what I know the only Militarial SP is the US. Russia has Nukes but not as substantial as the US. As for China invading the US or Canada, please. They would never make it here unless they went up through Russia and then through Alaska, thus being the shortest passage via boat. However if China decided to attack whoever the **** they wanted there would be trouble with containing them. Just look at Vietnam, we easily had the stuff to dominate the Viet Cong, but due to the Conservatism and the UN and all that bullshit, we were afraid to bomb the edge of Laos and Cambodia or the Orphanages that all the Cong stayed in as it wold hurt people's feelings. It's all bullshit.
Ah well, that's all I have to say. Argue with it as you please, I just won't be here to back myself up most likely. Have a plane flight tomorrow and have to pack and get ready.

Not really... The americans broke off of Britain around 1750 during the american revolution (In which france took part of to help the americans and the victory of the american revolution helped lead to the french revolution in 1789), so they aren't quite so similar to the brits as one would think. Or one would not think them so similar as they really were O.o wierd...

1775 was the start of the Revolutionary war...

Well if so many were destroyed, then how were they a major supplier? Wow, the americans suck at shipping goods, so the convoy was made! WOW no1 cares.. We got our goods to their designated destination for the most part.

I'm sure Canada has the same success rate as America did, boats are boats.

Have you ever been to France and other such places in Europe? The americans aren't treated very well, where as when people find out you are canadian, they treat you like a ****ing king. So basically people love us a lot more, and even if we are seen as the US' "little brother", we are more just the younger brother that pays the bills and gets you out of jail or trouble.

France treats Canada better than American because A.) Canada does speak French in Quebec etc. Thats a closer relationship than we have B.) Americans treat the French like crap, they are the butt of every joke.
Overall Americans are disliked more because of their involvement in World Politics, Canada for the most part remains neutral.

[C-Man619]

Actually there is an "Our Heritage" commercial from the 90's in Canada, and it was about a soldier who captured an amazing ammount of people. The guy you mentioned (that Rook fella who captured 100 something Germans on his own) may be him, though I am not 100% sure so do not take my word for it.

Also we are not saying just one country did it all, we are argueing the point now (I think) which of the two, Canada or the US, did the most for the Allies during the war. Really silly if you think about it, and sort of childish, but we need to get our facts straight

Other than that, I see the logic you have behind the whole nuking incident, but I am not fluent in any bit of knowledge of the reason as to why the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki so I will not argue anything there, other than I guess "Where's your proof?" lol.

With the bombs like nukes and such that we have today, yes the Americans would destroy in the next war, though that would also destroy the world, and in turn they would realize they would lose the chance to ever become a supreme power again, so they would not have nuclear warfare. In the events of this, I think with a few more years/decades that China will have the military technology and economy to withstand a war against the US.

You also touch into the cold war and such, which I know nothing about except it has something to do with Russia lol.

One more thing. Vietnam was a disaster, and the Americans still seen it as a victory in a sense.

I gtg for the night I think, so I'll argue more later lol. Peace

[Bloodangel26]

wow chaos...your are so freakin cool....damn, smoking weed is so cool, i think i will completely change my opinion of you now...and before you try to act all smart to someone and call them 12, spell colony right, hmm? i actually didnt say canada was useless, perhaps you would have realized that if you werent "so baked out of my mind man". i said it was not important, because it is not a country, it was part of england, therefore it was as important as england. and please show me where i changed stories? yes i am sure canada was able to ship to england SOO much better than the US since of course, the uboats would have seen the canadian flag and ran for their lives right? and please name one time canada has paid the US' bills or got it out of trouble?

venom, i said canada and US entered the war at the same time because i thought it was true, i said i thought i could be wrong, so why would you feel the need to jump down my throat? i'm not going to jump down your throat for forgetting france was in ww2...

[Venom]

i not big for reading long post so i just glanced through it and over reacted i just cant stand how some people think of canada , people thinking we live in igloos and some even beliving is total nonsense , ever watch this hour has 22 minutes? watch it and if your lucky you'll get a segment called talking to americans, they got people to belive the we legalised toaster!!!

so srry if i had offened

[Bloodangel26]

toaster? the thing you put bread into? why wouldnt you legalize that?

[Fuggle]

toaster? the thing you put bread into? why wouldnt you legalize that?

I'm still trying to figure out wtf he meant myself.

[Bloodangel26]

lmao....maybe he meant marijuana?

[C-Man619]

First of all, it's c-man. Also, I don't think I'm cool because I smoke pot, just saying I am lazy right now, and I know you will probably make some smart ass comment to me saying I was leaving for the night and comming back, though I went to a party and it was boring so I came home.

Well whatever you said, useless or unimportant, I take that to offence since I personally think Canada is if not the greatest, one of the greatest countries on this planet.

I already pointed out myself that Canada was at that time just one of England's colonies (Also sorry if I'm not Uber geek Spelling B champion), and therefore was not thought to be as important as it really was.

I did not mean for you to interpret that Canada pays all the US' bills and gets them out of shit, I mean we are like that little brother that helps support your fat lazy ass. Canada trades with the US quite cheap, seeing as how we could be making such a larger profit on things such as lumber, oil, mined minerals, etc. Sure, the US has their own oil fields, to bad most of them are in the middle east...

I've noticed some variations in your facts throughout this arguement, though for some reason I can't remember... oh, maybe it has something to do with having a temp short term memory loss when you smoke pot? [sarcasm]YEA GO POT I R TEH UBER COOL DUDE!!! Don't you love me because I smoke pot?[/sarcasm]

No, I do not mean anything by the shipping means, though you said most of the American's supply ships were sunk by UBoats, well from what I have heard (Again, no real proof), most of our ships made it to their destination. Maybe it has something to do with Canada being closer to Britain and Britain haveing the worlds most powerful Navy at the time, and I think they still do? Might help if you look more towards something logical than realizing the fear we as Canadians stike into our enemy's eye and trying to, though failing, to flame my previous comments.

There you go, you had no proof but you still posted a "fact" that was WAY off, and anyone who even thought they knew about WWI and WWII should know the aproximate times in which the "powers" of the warn entered. Obviously Canada entered in 1914 and 1939, because that's when Britain entered and during those times Canada was still a part of Britain, being her number one colony if ranked by pop, raw resources exported, and finished products bought (up Britains economy) or finish products produced (again ups Britains economy because they can buy cheap in their captive market).

Also, I think it is hilarious how we as people stereotype other peoples cultures and living habbits. I moved to Ontario Canada for one year (I have lived in NB Canada rest of my life), and even people in Ontario thought that since I was from the maritimes, all I really knew how to do was cut wood, fish, and speak crappy french lol.

Additional Comment:
I don't even have a clue what he's talknig about O.o and I usually understand wierd things lol

[Venom]

-.-...
ok listen
there is a canadian tv show called "this hour has 22 minutes"
theres a segment called "talking to american"
examples
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zQ2bPU9dZzY&s...%20minutes

http://youtube.com/watch?v=atNCuW6hdG8&s...0americans

http://youtube.com/watch?v=--jHKZwFzak&s...0americans

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7l8iM9CdWRg&s...0americans

you should under stand now (i pray)