Last night's C-Span

[BlindMansTicket]

Mozzy, Please, just walk away. You may believe you're proving something here. You're not. We are all laughing at you. Your views are biased, and you expect us to conform to them. You are an idiot, plain and simple. Like I said, write your congressman.

I now leave you with my care cup (pst, it's empty)
\_/

[Mozzy]

well, you're missing the point. just as deadly is assuming that i'm TRYING to use 3rd party references to prove my case you are doing the same. i'm telling you guys that common sense alone (in short supply around here) is more than enough to figure this out.

swallowing a story that 3rd world terrorists can pull off something of this magnitude is degrading to every 1st world country in the world.

Additional Comment:
blind man you're not laughing at me, because you haven't heard anything i've said. your eyes are comfortably closed and i hope you stay that way for the rest of your life.

[Dan]

i prefer to have some resources backing my opinions up, as it stands i dont believe any ****ing thing u say. maybe if i heard it from someone else, that wasnt your mommy or some pervert on the internet u ****ed. just give me proof

[Mozzy]

now as a final joke for all of you to laugh at i will make a prediction.

you will all remember mozzy in the near future. our president will assure us of that.

Additional Comment:
dustoid, if you want proof find out for yourself instead of believing what you're told. but...since youa sked i challenge you this.

find any steel building that has collapsed due to fire in the history of architecture and i will eat your socks.

post a link.

[Dan]

ok, but before that happens do you want to actually find proof?

[BlindMansTicket]

now as a final joke for all of you to laugh at i will make a prediction.

you will all remember mozzy in the near future. our president will assure us of that.

LOL, get bent douchebag. You are and forever will be a nobody. Accept that, live with it. Good day.

[Mozzy]

i'm not sure what you mean dustoid. proof is everywhere. if the govt. has nothing to hide then why do they not release video tapes from the pentagon other than the oen we've all seen? why did they sell the wtc's as scrap metal as soon as they possibly could?

blindman that's pathetic and droll. you have the imagination of a rock garden.

Additional Comment:
donkey punch a nigga? that speaks volumes about who you are.

[Dan]

so now u want me to do your own research? i already have my belief, and your the one trying to show me a new one, BUT YOU DONT OFFER PROOF

[A.D.]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/...page=4&c=y (my source.. again)

[quote]Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."[/quote]

(edited for visiblity)

[Mozzy]

if anyone of you that has cursed at me and called me an idiot can prove me wrong i'm waiting.

why are the terrorists not continuing their attack?
why did wtc7 collapse if due to fire, and if due to collision with debree then why did it symetrically collapse?
why was teh story changed on the collapse of wtc7?
why was sulfur and thermite found in the pools of molten metal in the basements of the wtc that got hit by planes if only fire cause these collapses?
why did pentagon employees/soldiers smell cordite instead of jet fuel?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm thermite

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evi...osive.html cordite

Additional Comment:
almost deadly, that quote i have already refuted but you didn't listen. no one said metal has to melt to fail. that is your assumption. furthermore, if the metal only bent instead of melted it would have leaned to one side as it collapsed. what are the chances that it would symetrically collapse? for you the chances are 1/1 i understand.

Additional Comment:
why did larry silverstein do this?

http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/jews/wtc-silverstein.htm

Additional Comment:
finally, why is any of this hard to believe? this same technique has been used many many times. hitler himself did nearly the same thing. rene de chateu (sp)to teh muslims during the crusades in jerusalem.

this is standare procedure for govts. because it works so well.

[SpoonMan999]

I'm seriously done with this argument, you once again offer biased conspiracy writings as evidence.

And for your information being Agnostic pretty much means I believe it's possible there is a God but I do not believe it could ever be proven. I believe Zeus is likely just as real as Jesus. I only say Agnostic as a general term though as most people using the label do. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going take measures to make sure you never reproduce.

[Mozzy]

spoon you failed to have any valid points concerning 9/11 so now you will retire.

gg

[A.D.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

Please, The amount of thermite needed to keep that fire going at that temperature for six days??? Thermite isn't an explosive, it just creates an ultra-hot reaction.
Think of it as burying a campire. If done quickly the embers will stay red-hot for a long time afterwards.
And on top of that if you watch the towers closely they didn't fall symmetrically. Each of the portions above break and twist a slight bit, and hit the floors beneath it as it goes down. The weight of the upper half of the structure coming down destroyed it floor by floor by floor. If there were charges placed at the bottom then it would have fell as one big piece. Videos show otherwise.

As for your second link, well, it just sounds like a bunch of people describing what it sounds like to have a plane strike a building.

And the third.. So what? Silverstein had just assumed the position, and probably went to make some changes. I bet you the towers are worth way more to him still standing then as a pile of rubble.

Angles of the towers falling:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...r+Collapse

Additional Comment:
**** this, this is a waste of ****ing time.

[Mozzy]

lol, you just hung yourself and you don't even know it. deadly, explain to me why thermite has any business being there? let's forget the the fact that you misunderstood the use.

if the towers didn't fall symetrically then we live in different universes.

making some changes? insurance a few weeks before they're destoryed? martha stewart was arrested for doing something similar. i don't expect you to understand that. worth more standing than in a pile of rubble? isn't that obvious, that's why he did it because he didn't want to be left with a pile of rubble.

you're boring please don't post anymore.

[Mozzy]

lol, you just hung yourself and you don't even know it. deadly, explain to me why thermite has any business being there? let's forget the the fact that you misunderstood the use.

if the towers didn't fall symetrically then we live in different universes.

making some changes? insurance a few weeks before they're destoryed? martha stewart was arrested for doing something similar. i don't expect you to understand that. worth more standing than in a pile of rubble? isn't that obvious, that's why he did it because he didn't want to be left with a pile of rubble.

you're boring please don't post anymore.

[SpoonMan999]

Ok, so after closing this window I went and looked up more information out of my own curiosity, yeah I know I said I was done but I had to present my findings.

I did some research and I think the wikipedia article probably sums up everything quite nicely, the sources for the article are of course listed at the bottom of the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of...ade_Center

Here are some points for you to look at Mozzy.

1. The WTC towers were designed to withstand the impact of a plane crashing into it's side, in case some pilot lost his way in the fog, but it was designed for what was the largest plane at the time. Know what that was? The Boeing 707-320 and in comparison the impact that plane would have made is less than one seventh of the impact that was made on 9/11, though this still didn't bring the buildings down.

2. The columns to support the building were all placed at the perimeter and the core leaving a large amount of empty space in between, this is probably why the plane penetrated so deep into the building.

3. Jet fuel can burn at 800-1500 degrees but steel loses half it's strength at 1202 degrees.

4. The impact completely blew off a great deal of the fire proofing around the steel.

5. The stairwells were determined to be improperly shielded.

6. Due to the placement of the columns once the strength of the core columns began to wane all of the weight was transfered to the perimeter columns, using the system you spoke of before Mozzy. But the perimeter columns were also weakened by the fires placing a lot of pressure on the exterior walls. Of course with the perimeter now failing the pressure was redistributed back to the core and boom...the tower comes down.

7. You were correct, though I didn't argue this point, they fell symmetrically.

To be continued, time to go home...

...Continued

8. Some speculate that even without the impact of the plane and with the fire proofing still intact the building still would have collapsed with a fire of that magnitude.

9. The 7th building, which you question the collapse of, had several diesel fuel tanks stored on several levels and pipe lines connecting them.

Those are the only two points I really want to add at this time.

[[Ghost]]

Why hasn't anyone brought up Maddox's newest article?

The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bullshit.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/...911_morons

[SpoonMan999]

I don't read Maddox but thank you for that.

[Lynch]

Not to harp on old threads, but Mozzy started out strong from the start. AD and Spoonman contradicted what Mozzy said. Mozzy then in turn rebuttled using biased opinions that anyone could see. AD once again brought out the P.M. article which I believe is the most creditable site I can find doing real "reseach" into 9/11. Mozzy quickly began acting childish. C-SPAN?!?!? Believe it or not news can be biased also. Mozzy I know if you are to read to this point I would be amazed, also I would really hope you don't attempt to "flame" or "gg" me. Add another to the home team. I still think the damn Somolians used jack hammers and large amounts of Jello to bring down he towers.

~Lynch~

[SpoonMan999]

I was waiting for some comment from him trying to discredit my information but I'm starting to think we may have actually silenced him.