Original builds

[Electricall]

Okay, so I felt like doing something more original than just a basic Blizz Sorc or Hammerdin or whatever. What I need is an unorthodox build that's fun to play, and not too hard (I'm no expert, and that's also why I'm asking around here...). Thanks for any help/advice.

If possible, please also list important skills and if you feel like it, add a skill build...

[Keitaro]

Kicker Assassin:

Stats:
Str: Enough to wear eqipment
Dex: 150
Vitality: Rest
Energy: 0

Skills:
20 Dragon Flight
20 Venom
20 Cloak of Shadows
20 Shaddow Master
05 Burst of Speed
01 Lightning Sentry (for stun effect)
20 Dragon Talon (for close combat vs fast foe`s)

Gear:

Helm:
Andariel`s Visage/Shako

Weapon:
Bartuc

Armour:
CoH

Shield:
Stormshield

Gloves:
Dracul`s Grasp

Belt:
Verdungo

Boots:
Shadow Dancer

Amulet:
Mara`s

Rings:
2x Raven Frost

[Rapta111]

You should never have to max out Dragon flight.

[Electricall]

Why not?

And, thanks Keitaro

[smirk_zero]

depends on if u want a pvm or pvp...

pvp id say a good build is a ww-sin.. but um.. for pvm a cool build is light sorcs are ok..

[Rapta111]

Bacause it is a one hit skill, which is also timed, and has very low damage and is innaccurate... Need I say more?

[smirk_zero]

Bacause it is a one hit skill, which is also timed, and has very low damage and is innaccurate... Need I say more?

are u talking to me?? and if u are. about whaT??

[Fuggle]

dude no points in fade? u should be going pretty high speed while kicking, no need for BoS or any of that. Fade is a must my friend. and i must agree maxing df wont help much cuz it only hits like 1/4 or so. id say like 10 points in it.
also i think the first fire trap u can use (not the fire blast but the one that shoots in like Triangle lookin fire blasts) is way better than lightning traps for stun. and i also wouldnt max cloak of shadows. by the time u cast it the guy already has like 5-6 hits on u.

[smirk_zero]

dude no points in fade? u should be going pretty high speed while kicking, no need for BoS or any of that. Fade is a must my friend. and i must agree maxing df wont help much cuz it only hits like 1/4 or so. id say like 10 points in it.
also i think the first fire trap u can use (not the fire blast but the one that shoots in like Triangle lookin fire blasts) is way better than lightning traps for stun. and i also wouldnt max cloak of shadows. by the time u cast it the guy already has like 5-6 hits on u.

i agree **** BoS.. fade kills it for melee sins

[Keitaro]

Ehrm... Sounds like you people have never used Dragon Talon before.
With venom and talon, the speed is very important and with the gear you will have plenty of resist, so i dont quite see what you want fade for?
Maybe for max dmg reduce, serious... What is the more effective?
Kill, or take hits?
My personal opinion is to kill before you take hits.

Ok, I can see your point of view Rapta, but with shaddow dancer and max dragon flight, the dmg and atr is very good, and you have the venom dmg as a bonus.
And as this werent enough, you have a merc (I prefere a barbar in this case) and a shaddow master who attacks at the same time.

BUT if you gonna use WW, then 1 point in Dragon Flight is enough. Agree?

[smirk_zero]

Ehrm... Sounds like you people have never used Dragon Talon before.
With venom and talon, the speed is very important and with the gear you will have plenty of resist, so i dont quite see what you want fade for?
Maybe for max dmg reduce, serious... What is the more effective?
Kill, or take hits?
My personal opinion is to kill before you take hits.

Ok, I can see your point of view Rapta, but with shaddow dancer and max dragon flight, the dmg and atr is very good, and you have the venom dmg as a bonus.
And as this werent enough, you have a merc (I prefere a barbar in this case) and a shaddow master who attacks at the same time.

BUT if you gonna use WW, then 1 point in Dragon Flight is enough. Agree?

agree

[medicine_man]

I've been thinking about a Ranger paladin (a pally using a bow to kill a foe - I rhymed!).

This is what I think one would/could look like. I'll try it out on single player later.

Skills:
20 - Fanatacism -or- Holy Shock/Fire/Freeze
20 - Resist Lightning/Fire/Cold if you choose the elemental route
...and the rest into whatever auras you like, or maybe a combat skill to bail you out if you get into trouble.

Stats:
Strength - Enough for gear
Dexterity - I'm thinking 150+
Vitality - The rest
Energy - None

Gear:
Bow - Widowmaker (I think that's the bow with +1-5 to Guided Arrow) ...no, a WF would not work
Helm - Andy's/Shako/CoA
Armor - CoH/Enigma/any cheap alternative that would work
Belt - Verdungo's/Nosferatu's Coil/Arachnid
Gloves - Laying of Hands/Lava Gout/Drac's
Boots - Aldur's/Waterwalks/Treks
Rings - Any combo of Bul-Khatho's/Raven Frost/SoJ
Ammy - Mara's/Seraph's/Cat's Eye/Atma's/Highlord's

Notes:
- This is obviously a fun PvM build which would probably suck in PvP.
- Laying of Hands provide 300% ED on Demons.
- Though the Widowmaker has Ignore Target's Defense and you'll mainly shoot Guided Arrow, Dexterity is necessary because you're using a bow. 1 dexterity = 1% ED with your bow.
- A WF would NOT work because it just shoots plain arrows that are not guided. With the Widowmaker, you have guided arrows.
- Most of the gear choices are whether you want more physical damage or elemental damage. Example: The Cat's Eye amulet would give you more physical damage with its hefty dexterity bonus, however the Mara's Kaleidascope amulet would give you more elemental damage with its +2 to all skills, upping your defensive aura skill levels, thus synergizing your Holy Shock/Fire/Freeze aura.

Sounds like fun to me. I know there are other alternatives to the Ranger, but I think this one would be fun for all you bored rich people, and it's the ideal setup in my eye.

I'll post when I try it in single player. Got to love Zonfire!

EDIT: If you have any suggestions for the remaining skill points, tell me and I'll try them.

[smirk_zero]

might work...it would be a ****in GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PVP tho... you get pwned by like lvl 40 bow zons..
it might be ok for pvm...
but i have some further advice..

instead of coh and coa.. i suggest you use 160/60 and 120/45.. not only for the MASSIVE damage it would give.. but also for the IAS.. think aobut it... fanatacism... heaps of IAS gear...u would shoot like a ****in machine gun for gods sake..

if u thought i was helpful.. plz, go ahead and donate some points..

PS: maybe u should pput the remaining skills into like cleansing or someting to give a QUICK boots to life... i hear it makes ur halth go up faster than a health pot on max... OR
what if... you maxed FOH and conviction?? you can foh there ***.. then run.. then bow em.. and foh again?? jst a thought.. might not work

[Keitaro]

might work...it would be a ****in GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PVP tho... you get pwned by like lvl 40 bow zons..
it might be ok for pvm...
but i have some further advice..

instead of coh and coa.. i suggest you use 160/60 and 120/45.. not only for the MASSIVE damage it would give.. but also for the IAS.. think aobut it... fanatacism... heaps of IAS gear...u would shoot like a ****in machine gun for gods sake..

if u thought i was helpful.. plz, go ahead and donate some points..

PS: maybe u should pput the remaining skills into like cleansing or someting to give a QUICK boots to life... i hear it makes ur halth go up faster than a health pot on max... OR
what if... you maxed FOH and conviction?? you can foh there ***.. then run.. then bow em.. and foh again?? jst a thought.. might not work

That would require a massive amount of luck. DO NOT UNDERRESTIMATE YOUR FOE!
That is the thing most players fail in.:laugh:

[Fuggle]

Ehrm... Sounds like you people have never used Dragon Talon before.
With venom and talon, the speed is very important and with the gear you will have plenty of resist, so i dont quite see what you want fade for?
Maybe for max dmg reduce, serious... What is the more effective?
Kill, or take hits?
My personal opinion is to kill before you take hits.

Ok, I can see your point of view Rapta, but with shaddow dancer and max dragon flight, the dmg and atr is very good, and you have the venom dmg as a bonus.
And as this werent enough, you have a merc (I prefere a barbar in this case) and a shaddow master who attacks at the same time.

BUT if you gonna use WW, then 1 point in Dragon Flight is enough. Agree?

Not agreed, For a wwsin those 4 pts can be vital so i would have a chaos/fury with +1 to df and +3 venom while the other one has +3 venom +1 blade shields (for the hell of it) saves a few points and gives u a little extra skill.
BTW A kicker without fade has never killed my fireclawer unless by luck im not paying attn and he starts beating me down for a few seconds and when i start attacking i miss (never has happened tho) however i have lost to fade kickers.Pallys own bos kickers Barbs own bos kickers sorcs def own bos kickers unless they dumb and dont know what tele means. DR% + Res is vital for survival (i rhymed too!) If ur kicking like a madman and hit like 1-2 times out of like 20 which is probably what will happen u might as well use the res+dr% gear cuz u will need the extra bit to hit people (otherwise ur out of the game in 2 seconds)

[Keitaro]

I have never seen a sorceress manage to teleport away from dragon flight, since its like FoH(auto-aim), but if you have low ATR you may miss.
I personal used 20 points in Dragon flight (had no chaos claw) and i kind owned all sorc, unless i flew into one fireball with 22k dmg.
If you use fade, the talon skill kicks so slow that is no danger, unless you use eqipment that gives plenty of speed+.
The best possible kicking time is exactly 0.4 second for the max effect.

If you use WW, with your assa then fade is the best thing to use.

[Tsuki]

yes but in my opinoin i think zealots are fun try a thunderzealot

20-holy shock
20-lightning resisit
20-zeal
10-20- sacrafice
10-20- salvation
all rest in holy shield

gear is simple every one should know the usual lolz