Loose Change - The Truth About 9\11

[xDBD]

i snell bull shit, do you?

na my smeller must be broken.

these videos are good stuff, lots of great info. oh by the way george bush hates black people

[wm_hunter]

Looking at the evidence that you were spoon fed by conspiracy theorist nut jobs. Do you really need any more reason to doubt them than that?

1. You find one that works and everyone else uses the same phone. It's not brain surgery man.

2. Got some proof there? Or did these bozos just say it and you're following along like the lap dog they want you to be? Do you have photos of the hijackers with their names and addresses? You even consider that sometimes a person isn't the only one on the planet with their name?

3. If he was framed for it then why not release more videos to the press denying it? Why just sit back and be blamed for the biggest act of terrorism since Pearl Harbor?

4. Despite the science they have backing it up that those metals shouldn't have melted where's the concrete evidence that they were in fact those metals? I don't care if they have pictures or some shit because when was the last time you could look a blurry photo and tell me if something were titanium or aluminum?

It's hard to think it's false when you're not being told what's true and you're hearing just their story with their "facts." It's the same thing Michael Moore does only he uses a bigger screen.

1. Where the tower is located DOES NOT MATTER. Traveling at the speed and altitude they were, the signal just will not get through very often at all (0.05% to be exact). One cell phone wont work while others will, I don't know how the hell you think that

2. Maybe if you watched it, you would know.

3. You don't think, that if a government did not want information to get out, they could stop it, or cut the coverage down to nothing? There might have been thirty seconds of denial news from Osama (such as a reporter saying "Osama denies the video") per hours of news reports on how he did it and what the US plans to do. You see it in news all the time when people have conflicting reports against the government.

4. CONTRUCTION REPORTS on the towers maybe? It's not like the materials used to create a building are top-secret and classified.



I'm not gonna argue with you anymore, its pointless. Agree to disagree.

[SpoonMan999]

My problem is not once do you show hard evidence of ANY of this. Not even about the cell phone thing. Try proving your crack pot theories and looking into things for yourself. All I've been doing is providing alternates to what you're obviously holding as highly factual.

[Loits]

Yeah, there were a couple of really good points in there, makes you think but you can't take all of it to be true either.

Assuming that the structural members (giant beams that make up the structure of a skyscraper) of WTC buildings were made out of steel (melting point of 800C) then the combustion temperature of kerosine (aircraft fuel) is far higher than that around 2kC actually.

I don't know if anyone remembers but i watched 9/11 live on CNN and what was really dodgy to me was the fact that when they first mentioned the destruction of plane 3 they stated that it was shot down but only minutes later when the story was revisited they said that it was taken over by the passangers and crashed. They didn't even mention the shot down bit. :S

[slimp]

i remember watching this movie, posted by nub i believe about 8 months ago..... if u can say bush had EVERYTHING to do with this, there is not enough evidence. If you can say that the story bush gave us is true... you're not really free minded. I don't believe in either, there's not enough evidence for either.... but everyone who is full on one sided about this, unless you're bush's wife or son, then you shouldn't take his side, and unless u were in the building looking at these bombs and somehow got out, then saw them blow up, then you shouldn't take the conspiracy theory. I do like the music in this movie, and that guys voice is compelling. interesting movie.

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oh, and for an extra note, mr. wm_hunter unless you've watched this entire movie you can't have an opinion about life. Shutup dude. if you can watch this movie and say " Oh, well this is all the information i need, bush is now evil " you're full on retarded.

[Fykins]

The pentagon part was the only part that had me a little convinced, the rest of that crap, like the suposed "missle explosion" fired by the plane looked photoshoped, comon, he even took the explosion out and moved it. Also him saying they had some extra equipment on the plane, how can he say that is anything, all I see is a shadow. The video quality is too crappy to make out anything. I guess shadows are balistic missiles nowadays.

[wm_hunter]

I don't say I think all of it is true - I am just saying it raises some interesting questions.

It was not steel, something around 1100C or so in melting point (if I remember correctly). Titanium or something, I'll see if I can find the part in video.

But nope, you can't think it is all true. I just don't think you can say the whole video is bull.

[Loits]

Very, very unlikely that it would be titanium, imagine the costs. The only other material WTC structure could be made out of is high carbon steel that has a melting point of 700C but a much higher young's modulus. Buildings are not deisgned to resist melting, they are designed to absorb blast damage, earthquakes, floods, etc.

[Venom]

but the lenth of time was way to short even if it was high carbon steel the other building mentioned lasted longer and did not collapse even , the explosion could not have weakened the strucutre to such a point if it was designed to absorb/resist an explosion

i also have a question how bad was the damage around the WTC?

yeah the one thing that really killed the video was the shop job it had

[geves]

i've seen the movie, so i'm not going to bother clicking the link.

is this the ENTIRE thing? or is it just 1 hour?

cuz loose change is a 3 part movie, 45 minutes each part. you can find all of them on youtube.

it's very interesting stuff. and the cell phone thing was tested by a number of people including MIT students at one point i believe. so the cell phone thing is still true today.

very good video, easily worth watching when you have the spare time.

i remember watching another video that was all about the charges placed at the WTC, it was pretty interesting as well and went into further detail about the plans of detonating the charges.

i'm no big conspiracy nut either, but i've seen a few videos of the september 11th stuff. and there's a few good ones out there. but i'd have to say loose change is probably the best put together one out there, and it includes lots of the more believeable theories.

[wm_hunter]

The video posted above is almost all of Part 1-3, only missing the ten minute or so introduction, and a few other small details. It is a lot like a Best of, but it does not omit much. I really hope you watch the intro, some interesting stuff on how people would profit from 9\11.

watch the first 10 minutes of that

[geves]

wow i never saw the second edition of that. those first 10 minutes were very new to me... interesting stuff about the stock market.

i may have to go watch all of the 2nd edition videos now, if they're just as good as that one.

thx bro.

[BlindMansTicket]

Welcome to 2002. Move on.

[wm_hunter]

Yes, let's just stop talking about things that happend throughout history, 9\11 was so five years ago.

Come on man, I know it was a video created a while ago, but I had never seen it until recently and I was just sharing.

[[Ghost]]

Shit I spilled some milk, let me cry for 5 years.

[Jabsco]

ok so all youve talked about is th wtc, how about the fact tha the hole in the side of the pentagon was only 16 fit wide and the wing spa of a 747 is 142 ft, also non of the wind 6 feet away were broken?

[SpoonMan999]

1. Have you seen how long a 747 is? It's possible the only the front hit and the wings never made it into the building.

2. I've seen other pictures and I'm pretty sure that was more than 16 feet.

3. You guys are way too goddamn gullible, just because someone says it like it's fact doesn't make it fact. Look for hard evidence and then come debate a conspiracy.

[Venom]

it hard to belive that a 747 crashing into the pentagon and not reaching the wings at speeds over like 500 or 400 mph is laughable and if that was true then were is the wing if that happened or what made the hole further in

spoon are u sure u did some background checking b4 you posted that since that does not seem like you at all throwing out common sence like that
the wings could have broken off when it skidded but thats hard to see

but u cannot deny how ****ing odd it is at the pentagon and how little debris there and and the unbroken windows that were nearby

[SpoonMan999]

With the windows...yeah it seems odd but remember buildings are engineered to withstand natural disasters and those windows are probably very thick. Also, I'm not saying that's what happened I'm offering alternate thoughts because the truth is nobody here knows exactly what happened.

And while we're talking about common sense, you guys are refering to the missle theory I've heard again and again yes? Why would they use a missle on the Pentagon and not the towers? It doesn't make sense does it? Why would they use planes on the towers and then just launch a missle at the Pentagon?

[wm_hunter]

Things about the Pentagon from the vid


The hole is too small even if the 747 had its wings disappear before it hit. The claim was that the plane skidded into the Pentagon, while there is no debris at all on the grass, nor does it even look like people had even walked on it.

The object melted Titanium when Kerosene does not get hot enough to reach the melting point of Titanium. The nose also pierced many layers of strong steel and titanium, he showed an example of a small plane crash and what happened to the tip of the 747, it was bent nearly straight upwards from just a small collision, yet it was said to pierce that much metal?

A Veteran that served in Vietnam said that he had seen and heard tomahawk missiles back then, and he saw and heard one that day.

Other people reported seeing a military plane, looking nothing like a 747, fly in and fly away, and then heard the explosion at the Pentagon.

The missile would have created enough heat to melt the titanium, pierce that much steel and has similar dimensions to the small hole in the Pentagon before the outer wall collapsed.

The parts found by the FBI from the 747 where looked at by experts, and they said that it was not the parts from a 747, but those of a US military plane (I will have to watch the video again to get the name). All the experts that he asked came to that same conclusion.