Loose Change - The Truth About 9\11

[SpoonMan999]

Again you're regurgitating what you were told. Look for facts and proofs this video is not incapable of lying to you. Everyone is so quick to believe the government lied about 9/11 yet they wont believe a video made by some guy with editing software and a microphone would lie.

[Clipper]

heres something for u guys to think about, my brother in law is in the airforce, he works on missiles that are designed to break through heavily fortified bunkers, and they basicly make nearly perfectly round craters ... same as the pentagon. and like the video said in one part, there have been recordings of planes hitting light poles, and ripping the wings off, and shit, but the plane that hit the pentagon went through 5 SETS on each wing, an just ripped the poles outa the ground. Idk... i really have mixed feelings about this. Its like i dont want to believe it, but the chance of bush knowing about this is always there...

If any of u have ever been to ogrish.com, theres a guy on there named jethrow, he made a collection of 9/11 vidz.

heres the link
http://forum.ogrish.com/showthread.php?t...ip+request




heres audio of a lady from the 83rd floor. very touching. literally brang tears to my eyes. it doesnt play it all. I dont think they want you to hear the end, andd personally i dont.
http://www.flurl.com/item/Melissa_Doi_91..._u_121016/

heres the lady in the tower that is on the phone.
http://www.september11victims.com/septem...asp?ID=948


heres another from a man on the 105th floor. its kinda hard to hear, but u can make it out, but u can imagine why its hard to hear.
http://www.flurl.com/item/Kevin_Cosg...udio_u_121113/


heres the man on the phone.
http://www.september11victims.com/septem...asp?ID=800

and here is a link some of u may find interesting and yet sad.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001...escape.htm

Additional Comment:
this is written on Kevin Cosgrove link for his pic. Its very sad.

Kevin Cosgrove was my uncle. Its been 4 years since i've actually able to talk about the World Trade center. I was in 5th grade when it happened, and yet the emotional feelings just won't let go. He was the kind of dad, uncle, family member that was always up for the fun part of the party. My dad has told me stories of how close he was with Kevin. My dad is the one of the seven children in the family, and my uncle Kevin was older then him. Whenever my dad had problems, he always went to Kevin. He told me how they went to parties and had fun as teenagers. Kevin always took him to the "cool" parties, seeing as how he was older then my dad. I miss my uncle very much, and when i go over the bridge that over looks the city, it is very heartbreaking. My dad just always looks over towards the city, not saying a word and just keeps driving and the look he has in his eyes when he looks away is the most sadest look i've ever seen on my dad. We go over the bridges a lot now and he is always getting that look. Sometimes i feel like he is just going to break down crying. Kevin always loved the ocean. After 9-11 it was very hard for any of my family members to go to the beach, knowing that a part of him was there, a part of him was always there and will always be there. He took my cousins, my sister and I to the ocean a lot. He took us boogie-boarding, went in the water with us, and bought us ice cream. He was the uncle i would want to point out to and be glad to say that he is my uncle. We miss you soo much unlce Kevin. The ocean may be big...but it is too small for this big family. As long as we all are together we can stand strong and look out at the ocean and remember that you are there, we are with you as we set foot into the sand that you now console. The sand, the water, and the memories will always be there, and always in our hearts...Forever! Love you

[The Mob]

wow.... this video is just amazing. i remember that day well.. there were alot of conflicting reports flying around.. well i thankyou for this video, it has opened my eyes to the other side. i myself still believe however that planes did this.

[Grave]

I remember the day even better. I was in manhattan shopping at centry 21 and suddently we hear a huge explosion. We ran outside (Wtc was like 10 blocks away from where we were) and were watching most of it live.
I live in brooklyn, its 40 minutes away on the train.

[Clipper]

I still remember everything going on when it happened... i was in the classroom, we were just getting ready to grade an assignment for our health class, that i didnt do, when a kid ran into the room yelling "we're under attack, we're under attack" and me and everyone else in the classroom started laughing because he was a class clown, and we thought he was just being funny again. Well, prolly after about 30 seconds, the principle got on the intercom or whatever... and told all the teachers to turn the tvs on and watch the news. The rest of the day, thats all we did, was watch the news, and the events that unfolded. Bus rided from school was also completely silent, besides the elementary school kids, who didnt knwo about it, because they didnt want them to i guess... Then i got home to my dad and my mom with tears in their eyes, and thats when i basicly made the decision that when i turn 18 im going to enlist for one reason, to go to war. And im turning 18 in like 2 weeks, so my goal is soon to be accomplished.

[geves]

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And while we're talking about common sense, you guys are refering to the missle theory I've heard again and again yes? Why would they use a missle on the Pentagon and not the towers? It doesn't make sense does it? Why would they use planes on the towers and then just launch a missle at the Pentagon?

well to join along in this convo. a plane crashing would be more unpredictable then a missle... we have laser guided missles nowadays remember, the US has technology that can get a missle to hit that location and only be off a by a few inches.

you can also choose how big you want the explosion to be, with a missle.

a plane on the other hand...you would only so much control.

the point of the planes hitting the WTC, wasn't just to cause damage to a specific part of the building (remember the vice president was in the pentagon at the time and the "plane" just happened to hit a part of the pentagon that was being reconstructed)
but they were going to "pull" the WTC towers anyways. so it didn't matter as long as the planes hit the building.

you don't want debris from a plane to become some sort of uncalculatable factor, for instance a 8 ton (or whatever) engine flying through a wall and taking out a crap load of important people. i doubt that a engine that big flying at those speeds would be stopped by a few walls, just because the building was made to with-stand explosion & natrual disasters.
so you use a missle, that you can aim to the exact location and only use enough explosive power to affect a certain area.

now i'm not sure how much of this video i believe, but it's easily worth watching.
i was just trying to explain why you would use a missle

[Grave]

Eh, i still remember the terrible smell that day. It smelt like burned rubbed and dust. It was a nightmare... well at least we saved 2 dollars for a train they were free that day so people can get back.

[Venom]

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/index.html
this is a link to an old episode of fifth estate talking all about the 9/11 its purdy good for what it talks about

[SpoonMan999]

well to join along in this convo. a plane crashing would be more unpredictable then a missle... we have laser guided missles nowadays remember, the US has technology that can get a missle to hit that location and only be off a by a few inches.

you can also choose how big you want the explosion to be, with a missle.

a plane on the other hand...you would only so much control.

the point of the planes hitting the WTC, wasn't just to cause damage to a specific part of the building (remember the vice president was in the pentagon at the time and the "plane" just happened to hit a part of the pentagon that was being reconstructed)
but they were going to "pull" the WTC towers anyways. so it didn't matter as long as the planes hit the building.

you don't want debris from a plane to become some sort of uncalculatable factor, for instance a 8 ton (or whatever) engine flying through a wall and taking out a crap load of important people. i doubt that a engine that big flying at those speeds would be stopped by a few walls, just because the building was made to with-stand explosion & natrual disasters.
so you use a missle, that you can aim to the exact location and only use enough explosive power to affect a certain area.

now i'm not sure how much of this video i believe, but it's easily worth watching.
i was just trying to explain why you would use a missle

I for one don't believe for a second that our own government was involved or allowed it to happen. I would however accept the missle theory and the cover up on the grounds that the government wants us to feel more secure and wouldn't us to go back to Cold War times where we practice missle drills because we'd be made aware of our vulnerability.

[wm_hunter]

I know that you find it is hard to agree with, but with so much evidence against it being a 747, then what else could it have been?

[SpoonMan999]

As I said I could accept the missle theory...I said I don't believe that our own government was involved or allowed it to happen.

[Siluru]

I watched the complete video but I'm not so sure I believe it. The scientistic points may be correct, about how there is no way the titanium was melted by the heat, but the examples given, with the slow-motion and the replays, it was all to blurry to actually see. Although the part on the Pentagon was quite interesting.

[Venom]

thats what you get for a poorly zoomed in video
spoon if you belive the missle theroy then who fired the missle in the first place?
or more importantly where was it fired from?

[SpoonMan999]

I said I could believe it I never said I do. I was stating that with the evidence presented it is a believable scenario. But to answer your question anyway, Al Quida (sp?) had ties to Iraq. I know we never found evidence tying Saddam to 9/11 but he was a supporter of the terrorist group and they could have easily gotten their hands on the euipment to fire a long range missle and Iraq had a habit of putting out missle's who's ranges defied the regulations placed by, I believe it was but I could be wrong, the Geneva Convention.