BvB?

[Oral Monkey]

are they common in 1.11?
and does anyone know where i can find the perfect build for a BvB?

[Loits]

There are bvb games up from time to time but bvb is mostly a group thing that is done in private games.

What do you mean by finding a perfect bvb build? are you looking for a guide?

[Oral Monkey]

What do you mean by finding a perfect bvb build? are you looking for a guide?

yes. anyone know any sites with up to date guides for all characters?

[Loits]

You'll find that the most intelligent discussion about character builds goes on at diabloii.net. Check there if you have any questions but making a bvb barb isn't that difficult items depend on wether you play on nl or on ladder. nl in a way is better for bvb because you have eth bugged items eg. et bugged arreats. On ladder you wanna be using a eth sacred forti, just have a couple or if dura runs low unsox, zod the armor, unsox and make another forti. For bvb it's best to use masteries skillers because of the significant increase in def, ar and damage, wc skillers are not good because there is no ar/damage bonus and 322s don't add def.

Edit: remember that bvb is about 10% skill and 90% eq therefore mostly only rich people have bvb chars.

[db_jynx]

dude.. the best guide that is out there is either on amazon basin or battle.net/forums skill discussion written by SuperM.Derisive

take a look at it, many skilled BvB have given him amazing information, ppl that KoK tourney.

i can give u a quick rundown:

Stats:
Str: enough to put lowest str gear on, if it adds +STR then go from there until you can wear all your gear (including charms/anni/torch/JEWELS/stats on gear)
Dex: You will need 203 i believe @ lvl 90 with SS (which is the shield u will b using) so shoot for gear + added points = 203 if u plan on gettin to 90.. more at >90, less <90
Vita: the REST
ene: 0

Skills:
BvB is simple... MAX Shout, BO, Axe Mastery (NEVER go sword*), SKIN***, WW***
1 point into pre-reqs and Nat Res .. no zerk, speed etc**

* --> swords have worse range than zerks (3 as opposed to 2 i believe). you will be using OFFENSIVE: Grief Zerk/Some Crazy fools, cruel, eth, ias etc Zerk Rare and SS DEFENSIVE: Beast/Fury/4um 2shael Zerk and SS .. these are the best choices.

**--> you will not use speed, as you are BvB.. its WW and/or conc

***-->up to you which you max last. I went WW last as I am equipped with very sexy ar/lifer GCs and SCs, my WW at base lvl 10 or so is 20k WW with grief, which is the desired AR. I maxed skin first for the crazy def. Up to you, max WW then Skin, Skin then WW or a Combo of both, depends on your gear.

1) DMG RED and MAX BLOCK are Priority (50% dr and 75% MB with Stomshield)
2) DEFENSE is next... shoot for 25K+ def
3) AR is next.. shoot for 20k ar WW
4) LIFE is last... shoot for 4.8K+ HP, 5K+ is ideal

GEAR:
Arm: 15%ed FORT with highest def and Life per Lvl possible, then Res
Arm 2: Duress for OWs setup OR ETH Up'd TOOTHROW for OWs setup
Sheild: SS ... ALWAYS SS (Ber'd, Cham'd, Jeweled, El'd, shaled'd, etc) <-- u pick
Wpn (OFFENSE): GRIEF Zerk ANYTHING w/ 34+IAS to hit WW breakpoint.. since ww is based SOLEY of of wpn speed
Wpn2 (DEFENSIVE OWs setup): Anything OWs.. Beast for fanat +OWs +CB / FURY for sexy AR,IAS,and OWs
Gloves: DRACS 15Str or Rends .. i like dracs all the way.. lt never spawns WW so not BM
Belt: Dungo 15%DR best VITA u can get
Belt2: 10% OWs / FHR / STR / RES Crafted Belt (u MUST use Ber'd arreat & SS with this setup to get max DR with SS)
Boots: UP'd GORES highest def posssible (pref. 200+) .. treks just dont cut it.. i used em and gores are so much better for Offensive an dDef setup
Helm1: UP'd ~500+ def Arreats with BER or sexy jewel in it (remember ias is ONLY from wpn WW .. so 40/15 isn't greatest idea.. better to use -Req/FHR/Res/Dex/Str type jool)
Helm2: 700+ DEF UP'd ETH Arreat ZOD in stash for DEF setup / OFF Setup when u feel like it
jewelery: angelics is only choice.. HUGE AR and DEX bonuses (WHOLE set)
SWITCH: 2 x FAL'd +3 WC Swords .. in order to use gear on switch

think that's abotu it for gear.. read derisives guide to get some other ideas.. fk around and see what works best.. although BOTD SUX... i NEVER lose to a botd user.. grief is just so much better in every way.. if they go botd/psn scs.. stack posn scs etc. it's really much worse than 34+ias 380+grief Z

CHARMS:
20stat torch/any res
highest stat anni/any res
here's where u have some freedom....
i go 8x AR/LIFER GCs and 1x 12FHR/Max/AR GC, 5 x AR/LIFER SCs, 2x LIFE/MANA SCs, 1x FHR/Psn RES, 2x max/ar/lifer SCs.... shoot for your FHR BP... either 48% or 86% FHR and then build charms around that (i.e. FHR/Life or FHR/Res or FHR/Mana scs)... you will need at least 1 x LIFE/MANA charm, any kind, makes a huge difference when BO and you wont stop last much longer in a long BvB than your opponent. Get as High ar and as high life as possible GCs/SCs .. shoot for 120+ar/25+life GC and 25AR/15+life SC, make a HUGE diff

when u go deffensive Open Wounds setup, some ppl go Mastery/Life GCs to red dmg and increase def/ar so you hit to trigger ows, dont get hit by them. then you play defensively adn let the OWs take it's course. i just stick with ar/lifer and have ~30k Def setup that i use.. works most times, though you may need 35-45K Def this setup for hard hitters. tweak gear accordingly.

TACTICS:
...it's BvB lol... WW and then WW some more. BvB .. like Loits said is pretty much 95% Equipment, the better guy wins unless you use a few tactics and can out play him.

Vs anyone that has inferior gear use Greif Z, Fort, AR/Lifers and WW the crap outa him. Go your best setup and win.

Vs great gear... try your setup, if it doesnt work, try your OWs / Deff Setup. you're going to want to triangle WW him JUST GRAZING the guy. This will provide for most hits per WW and will trigger OWs... once you've done this, let him come to you, if running is BM (bad manner), then wait till he comes to u, WW away, rinse and repeat. NEVER WW through some1, u won't hit as many times as grazing and you will almost for sure get hit more. Practicing WWing is essential, learn to do short WWs so you can change direction when need be. NEVER EVER EVER left click WW ona barb , EVER. You will stop on him and get pummeled. WW either towards or away AROUND the barb.

Test your setups in various games and with friends with great gear to c what u need to use in diff. situations. you will always be able to kill Smiters (using 2 wpns i.e. beast/grief), some casters if you catch them/have enigma and some FCR gear in stash, zealots, chargers, any other MELEE. however you're really built BvB.

Work on main setup 1st, then get 2ndary gear. Hope this helps, let me know if i missed somehting or you've got questions. Once again, i attribute my knowledge to Derisive and friends, and he has some great strategies/different builds and thoughts in his post.

*db_jynx us east L

[FraterPerdurabo]

Why do some people use 1.08 Arreat?:

Imo regular upped eth Arreat Zod is better than that...

edit: Oh and some BvB also go for mad str, use Forti eth sacred armor, etc. Just go out for psycho damage instead of OW, which approach do you recommend?

[db_jynx]

i've been reading these forums since i got back to NH for internship @ work... haven't been able to post until today and Frater, i like the way you call ppl out and such, with good info to back it up (although i dont get why u didnt mention the 143ish bp for windy FCR with Wizzy) <--- at least i dont think u did, i'll have to look again. IMO it's a great BP to attain. anyways, off topic.

no idea about .8 arreats, i agree, no need for max dmg really, i think it would be best on a conc barb, though not sure. this arreats has much better WW mods.

on ETH forts, some ppl use if not considered BM, personally do w/e u want, Non-ETH Sacr Fort is really sexy, i use a 14% balrog 30res, 1.4lpl, 1651 def i think where as sacrd can get to ~1.8k if im not mistaken maybe near 1.9k, can't remember. REGARDLESS, its a big jump and means 1-2k def in the end, so i def. Recomend using sacred if u can get / want to get the Str. Str really doesnt alter dmg too too much, and the tradeoff of life/str is really horrible on the str side. Im tellin you, the best idea is minimal str, mass vita, max block and DR, highest Def possible and 20+k AR. thats instant godly BvB. I'm at 28K def with fort and 20K ar with 390/34 grief Z. I'd like 35k+ Def with that setup, but it's not realistic right now using dracs instead of rends.

OWs setup is for when u cant do enough dmg against a sick barb. i've had to use and lost 5-3 using OWs setup vs a really well equiped barb. it just depends on situation... the more choices you can have the better.


keep up the comments, it's nice talkin to some1 with some sense

[FraterPerdurabo]

i've been reading these forums since i got back to NH for internship @ work... haven't been able to post until today and Frater, i like the way you call ppl out and such, with good info to back it up (although i dont get why u didnt mention the 143ish bp for windy FCR with Wizzy) <--- at least i dont think u did, i'll have to look again. IMO it's a great BP to attain. anyways, off topic.

Hey man,

the next fcr bp for Windy is 163 (the previous one is 99), so usually people go for Suicide Branch instead of Wizzy, but I don't like either because of the sacrifice of skills, also I did not want to mention it in my guide, because I've never tried it. Anyway, it would be something like:

Wizzy/Suicide Branch 50%
Spirit 35%
+2 Druid 19+%fcr rare +mods (18% is fine as well for the 163%, but 19% you can use if you switch imbetween 99% and 163%)
Arach 20%
Trangs/Mages 20%
Then, you have a choice between 2xfcr rings and gosu pelt, or 2xsoj and circlet with 20%.

Of course, DR% will be a problem with this set, so it's only to be used vs casters (not in dvd ofc). I usually don't have a problem with casters, but I guess that it would be slightly more useful versus Trapsins. On the other hand, versus Trappers, I use 174%fhr, so you gain a frame in FHR, instead of FCR. Same thing really.

no idea about .8 arreats, i agree, no need for max dmg really, i think it would be best on a conc barb, though not sure. this arreats has much better WW mods.

I just saw a guy who had one, he hadn't yet decided whether he was going to makea bvc or bvb (unstatted and unskilled char), so he just had a bunch of equipment and charms.

on ETH forts, some ppl use if not considered BM, personally do w/e u want, Non-ETH Sacr Fort is really sexy, i use a 14% balrog 30res, 1.4lpl, 1651 def i think where as sacrd can get to ~1.8k if im not mistaken maybe near 1.9k, can't remember. REGARDLESS, its a big jump and means 1-2k def in the end, so i def. Recomend using sacred if u can get / want to get the Str. Str really doesnt alter dmg too too much, and the tradeoff of life/str is really horrible on the str side. Im tellin you, the best idea is minimal str, mass vita, max block and DR, highest Def possible and 20+k AR. thats instant godly BvB. I'm at 28K def with fort and 20K ar with 390/34 grief Z. I'd like 35k+ Def with that setup, but it's not realistic right now using dracs instead of rends.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind, thinking about making a BvB on NL, once the season finishes. Oh and do BvBs also use 3/20/20s? I presume yes, for dam, ar and life, but wouldn't maybe defence on scs also be useful?

OWs setup is for when u cant do enough dmg against a sick barb. i've had to use and lost 5-3 using OWs setup vs a really well equiped barb. it just depends on situation... the more choices you can have the better.
keep up the comments, it's nice talkin to some1 with some sense

Mutual

Oh and by the way, I saw this barb that had over 400+str with his items, used eth Sacred Fort, etc, but as a main weapon he used eDC Zod'ed... He said that it's for the Deadly Strike, but imo isn't OW > DS in BvB?

[db_jynx]

Ahhaa. Yea, the 163 seems like it would be great for specific duels, of course if you havent used it, i agree on not putting it in the guide, nice ideas though



I guess it would be worth it BvC, for hte max dmg, since BvCs use all max/ar/lifers to 1 WW kill casters. that's the only thing i c it working for.


BvB do NOT use max/ar/lifers. all i've heard of using is ar/lifers. It's not really so much dmg, it's who can hit the most while getting hit the least. I really have no problem with high dmg barbs, I have enough def to only get hit half the time and enough AR to hit them repeatedly. I use a 3/20/19 and a 3/18/16 legit just to boost ar/life since i only have 5x ar/life scs (30+/19+), howver i'd much rather have 48%fhr using as many scs as needed, 1 or 2 x life/mana scs and 7-9 30AR+/18life+ scs. makes a difference. this is ladder mind you (i play useast scL). If i were BvC i'd use all max/ar/life. Up to you and what u prefer, i prefer what i stated above.


Yes OWs owns any other mod beside AR in BvB. It's sick really how with Fury and Eth Upd tooth (106%ows i think) i can bring down life as if i had massive dmg charms/grief/fort etc. CB has a crap PvP penalty, and DS doesn't cut it BvB...Zeal i've heard DS works quite well, it's relatively fast... WW BvBs can take up to 2 or 3 minutes to duel... thats where OWs comes in handy.

just my $0.02