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Hello everyone.
I'm about to make a Paladin but I can't decide which of the two I want to create: A Smiter or a Hammerdin.
I know what both are, however I do not know which I would enjoy the most.
I PvP a lot, but when I am not PvP'ing I am almost always bosskilling or Rushing people. I want to make the Paladin that will let me do both of those things the best.
Now, I know the first thing that most people say is Hammerdins can Rush people the best. But is that really true? I mean, My barb can do a Hell rush in <15 minutes without an area attack like Blessed Hammer. It seems like a smiter can do the same.
So basically I am just in a situation where I do not know what I want and would like someone to help me decide.
Thanks!
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Neither Smiter nor Hdin are that good at PvP.
Smiter/Hdin are mostly utility characters. People make smiters to solo the Ubers, and people make Hdins to Rush/MF/Etc becuase their damage can kill just about anything easily.
But for what you need, I'd say a Hammerdin is your best bet. Slap an Enigma on him and go to town.
MF with the hdin and create a windy Druid for pvp, Frater (I think) made an excellent guide in the Druid subforum.
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Thanks for your advice AlmostDeadly! I appreciate it 
So are Smiter's ONLY good for soloing Ubers or can they do well in other sitatuations also?
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make a hammerdin to rush smiter to uber to duel get urself a barb or a gg lite sorc works wonders if u like to duel a lot.. but out of those just get a hammerdin they are ok in duels if you play them right
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Well, you can own just about any boss with a smiter, but smiters can only attack one monster at a time so getting there and back can be tedious. Just stick with the Hammerdin, Hammerdins also can be outfitted with MF gear (though they'll never touch the amount of MF's sorcs have)
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Smite/Charger Had one was very GG at PvP. only problem should be sorcs and trap sins
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but see heres the cath i have a blizz sorc like 430 mf i can bot with her for 2 nights best thing i got was a ele gc i run hammerdin bot with 273 mf i get sojs maras i got metagrid etc.. i dont think you need a lot of mf but go with hammerdin smiter is more of a 1v1 for bosses and such
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07-01-2006, 07:14 AM
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Depends are you ladder or non if your non kinda hard to get a grief, for rushing with a hammerdin, act 2 is a *****! Other than that its good. So for rushing stick with hammerdin. Smiters are good duelers, but for versing a hammerdin with a smiter... its like 5% you'll get a kill, depending on the opponent if there fast.
You have my bet on hammerdin 
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Certainly don't make a pure Hammerdin for PvP, they are owned easily, as are most Smiters, unless they use life tap (BM).
If you want to use Hammers, make an Auradin. Smite/Charge is also fine, but I think that they are overrated. Most melee > Smiter, most casters > Smiter.
I did make a Druid guide, like AlmostDeadly stated, so if interested, you ought to take a peak there.
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AlmostDeadly Wrote:Neither Smiter nor Hdin are that good at PvP.
Smiter/Hdin are mostly utility characters. People make smiters to solo the Ubers, and people make Hdins to Rush/MF/Etc becuase their damage can kill just about anything easily.
But for what you need, I'd say a Hammerdin is your best bet. Slap an Enigma on him and go to town.
MF with the hdin and create a windy Druid for pvp, Frater (I think) made an excellent guide in the Druid subforum. I dont agree, a perfectly built desynching BMing hammerdin can own pretty much anything with great ease. However, if bming is not your thing then no, a hammerdin would not be a good choice for pvp.
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joshzarko Wrote:I dont agree, a perfectly built desynching BMing hammerdin can own pretty much anything with great ease. However, if bming is not your thing then no, a hammerdin would not be a good choice for pvp.
Even desynching hammerdins (pure) get owned by any self respectable Druid, for example.
Oh, and my BMing almost any class can own.
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Quote:make a hammerdin to rush smiter to uber to duel get urself a barb or a gg lite sorc works wonders if u like to duel a lot.. but out of those just get a hammerdin they are ok in duels if you play them right
I have a 87 Barbarian that works fine in PvP. I can also use him to rush anything normal/nightmare/hell. I don't need a Hammerdin just do to that. Oh & I want to also PvP on my Paladin. Quote:Well, you can own just about any boss with a smiter, but smiters can only attack one monster at a time so getting there and back can be tedious. Just stick with the Hammerdin, Hammerdins also can be outfitted with MF gear (though they'll never touch the amount of MF's sorcs have)
Getting there and back is no problem I have an enigma I can slap on him. Easy mode teleporting. And I never have more than 200MF on any of my characters, I don't think it helps enough to get more (My opinion). Quote:Depends are you ladder or non if your non kinda hard to get a grief, for rushing with a hammerdin, act 2 is a *****! Other than that its good. So for rushing stick with hammerdin. Smiters are good duelers, but for versing a hammerdin with a smiter... its like 5% you'll get a kill, depending on the opponent if there fast.
I am Non ladder. Also, I do not NEED this character for rushing, as I said above, my barbarian can handle everything up to hell baal in a 5-man game. Also, rushing isn't really any trouble no matter what type of Paladin due to enigma (I just wanted to know which one is best, AFTER I am to the boss. Hammer or Smiter.) And I also think you misunderstood: I am not talking about Hammerdins VS Smiters in duels. I am talking about Pro's/Cons of Hammerdins versus the Pro's/Cons of Smiters while I make my decision on which to create. Quote:Certainly don't make a pure Hammerdin for PvP, they are owned easily, as are most Smiters, unless they use life tap (BM).
If you want to use Hammers, make an Auradin. Smite/Charge is also fine, but I think that they are overrated. Most melee > Smiter, most casters > Smiter.
I did make a Druid guide, like AlmostDeadly stated, so if interested, you ought to take a peak there.
Again, I am not only making it for PvP. I am simply making it to Play. I am playing each class in the order I think I will like them from most-least. Paladin is next up on the list. I just want to have a Paladin that I will enjoy for what I do; Which is Some PvP and some BossKilling. Oh, & Druid is not up on my list yet. That's after Assassin.
Thank you all, please continue giving all the advice you feel like giving.
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Kratick Wrote:Again, I am not only making it for PvP. I am simply making it to Play. I am playing each class in the order I think I will like them from most-least. Paladin is next up on the list. I just want to have a Paladin that I will enjoy for what I do; Which is Some PvP and some BossKilling. Oh, & Druid is not up on my list yet. That's after Assassin.
Thank you all, please continue giving all the advice you feel like giving.
You know, if you just want to play, make an IK barb or a Tal sorc, that suck at pretty much anything. Anyway, I would recommend making a strong PvP char (for a paladin, that would be a FoH/Hammer auradin, or Hammer/Charge pala), because as long as it has Enigma, you can also use it for rushing, PvM, etc.
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07-01-2006, 09:38 AM
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LMFAO!!! Wow...all rejected..., none of it makes any sence then.
If I may, it says what you should MAKE, I gave advice on what to make, but whatever then.
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In bm duels juving forti barb>>>> juving hammer.
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FraterPerdurabo Wrote:Even desynching hammerdins (pure) get owned by any self respectable Druid, for example.
Oh, and my BMing almost any class can own. I never said they can own all classess i said most if they bm, IF they bm, hammerdins are not good duelers to gm with.
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Quote:You know, if you just want to play, make an IK barb or a Tal sorc, that suck at pretty much anything
I have both of those. They were fun. Quote:LMFAO!!! Wow...all rejected..., none of it makes any sence then.
If I may, it says what you should MAKE, I gave advice on what to make, but whatever then.
My responses are simply ment to debate what has been advised. Just because I make a counter statement towards and/or against something posted by one of you, does not in any way mean that I will not still follow your advice.
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but see you hammerdin can become a smiter .. basicly throw exile grief dracs and such use con and smite and you will do ok damge thats good enough to kill ubers  i will test this out for you guys if you wish
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hmm actually, propel..what mf gear do you suggest for a hammerdin I'm probably going to make one sooner than later..
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Hammerdin's are godly at bm (AA), they just tele on you, and you can't do shit, and they just cast like 1-3 hammers and you are like, squished.
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