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Bartender Wrote:He's gonna say windy, but his build which is 99/99 could be easily beat by a bvc that actually is smart and uses his leap.
What I would say is an all arounder is a bvc with some minor stat adjustments to use items like ss, to achive max block and lots of dr vs melee characters
bvc??? Lol sorry I just got back on d2 a couple of days ago.
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Divine Wrote:Hey frater, what is the best dueling character BESIDES a paladin in your opinion?
I'd say that assassin is the best. Better than Paladin. For GM duels, that is.
Bartender Wrote:He's gonna say windy, but his build which is 99/99 could be easily beat by a bvc that actually is smart and uses his leap.
What I would say is an all arounder is a bvc with some minor stat adjustments to use items like ss, to achive max block and lots of dr vs melee characters
I use 163%/99% vs casters, since you need max block vs barbs. I wouldn't say that I get beaten so easily. There's only 1 bvc in Europe that has beaten me, and he's the best on the realm. No-one else has even come close.
bvc is a fun build but it sucks for pub ownage, because you need different gear vs different chars.
edit: Anyway, let's keep the spam to a minimum. If you are not asking for a build guide and want to continue the discussion please PM me.
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Wat kinda sassy would I use?
Is that guy that beat you #1 on the ladder, or are you guys non ladder?
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i have a cs zon and can't afford a jmod quiet yet and was wondering if it was worth it to pump all the dex to get to max block? currently useing spirit // 20/-20 monarch
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whaqts gear setup for a perm 200fcr sorc? fireball
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u guys DO know that we still have GUIDES in the other parts of the forum, such as a 200fcr fber guide..
and digitalis, get enough dex for max block while using SS. and use ss when dueling barbs or other melee (for dr and block) till u get a jmod
and divine that would probably a trapper/ww sin. frater can get into the details for u 
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Divine Wrote:Wat kinda sassy would I use?
Is that guy that beat you #1 on the ladder, or are you guys non ladder?
That guys is #1 on Europe, he's got #1 barb on Ladder and NL.
I think that the best is hybrid ww/trapper, however, you need to be extremely rich to make a very good one, so let me know if that's what you want to do.
DiGiTaLiS Wrote:i have a cs zon and can't afford a jmod quiet yet and was wondering if it was worth it to pump all the dex to get to max block? currently useing spirit // 20/-20 monarch
No, definately don't do that, you will need psycho amounts of DEX for max block with Spirit or a regular 20/20, so like L4E said, use Stormshield, or forget about it for the time being.
ghammer Wrote:whaqts gear setup for a perm 200fcr sorc? fireball
Perm 200fcr sorc? I presume this is for PvP?
Helm: 2sorc 20%fcr +mods (preferrably +STR) Shaeled, if you have 2 sox, use 2 Shaels
Armor: perf Viper upped
Weapon: Eschuta perf fire with 5/5, or HOTO (if you lack resists)
Shield: Spirit Monarch 35%FCR
Amulet: +2sorc 15%+fcr amu with mods (preferrably +STR)
Gloves: Magefists
Belt: Arach
Boots: Treks
Rings: 2x10%fcr ring with mods (preferrably +STR)
So:
Circlet 20
Viper 30
Amu 15
Spirit 35
Hoto/Eschuta 40
Arach 20
Mages 20
Rings 20
Alternatively, you could use Wizzy instead of Hoto/Eschuta, therefore you can use SoJ instead of another FCR ring, but it's up to you.
Skills: Standard fire sorc skills, max em out and throw rest into Hydra.
FHR aim is 86%, you get 55%from spirit, 20 from circlet (or 40 if 2 sox), anyway, make up for whatever you need with a 12%FHR skillers or 5%FHR scs. Fill inv with with skillers, anni, torch, rest are 20life +resi scs.
I think that's about it.
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Bartender Wrote:Question : Should I use hel widow maker? Or nef widowmaker? Do I have to get 2x ravens if I use widowmaker?
like frater said:
UM is what oyu would really like to go to reach optimal OWs, however, if you can't UM it, either Hel it or -15/res/str/dex jewel works very well. shoot for the UM
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commandwolf Wrote:what is a ghost sin and how do u make one (can u explain gear too)
ww/trap
i've never made one but here's what I can tell you.
- they are extremely good PvP GM duels, however they will always lose to a BvB or any other high def / high DR / high dmg char
- they are extremely expensive (claws/helm/rings/ammy)
- you have to be very skilled at PvP to be successful with them
the claws would look something like this: +3traps/20-40IAS/+2assasin with 2os.
the helm would be a +2/20fcr/20-30FRW/Visionary/Res/Str/Dex
the ammy would be a +2/5-15fcr/dex/str/res
the rings (to my knowledge) would be similar to a BvC's (fcr/ar/dex/str/res) though not sure if they use sojs/bks/ravens/etc
you would either go Light Sentry or WoF (which is the most underated skill in the game).
now that i think about it, you will need a Chaos for the WW, so not sure if people go Chaos/Fury or Chaos/the claw mentioned above. anyways, you go enimga, dancers/treks/gores and use MB, WW, Trap to stunlock your opponent. some sins use Widow on switch like a BvC would. try looking on b.net forums for a ghostsin guide, they are very difficult to be very good at, they are costly yet very fun from what i hear.
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how many points should i puut into holy sheild 4 a v/t pally?
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xxrulex13 Wrote:how many points should i puut into holy sheild 4 a v/t pally?
1.
And use Zaka instead of Exile.
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Yea, frater ill do that 
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one more question lol, what type of charms should i get? pcombs and lifers?
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Get pcombs that have life on them. -__-
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xxrulex13 Wrote:one more question lol, what type of charms should i get? pcombs and lifers?
Yeah, definately get pcombs with lifers, you need as much of a bonus to Holy Shield and FoH as possible.
Just looking at the build that I wrote for you, it lacks FHR so will be slightly underpowered. Definately use CoA instead of Shako and use Shadow Dancers instead of Goreriders (tradeoff ^^?), then get 2xpcombs with 12%FHR and 1x5%FHR sc, which will net you the 86%FHR breakpoint. It's quite important in PvP. Remember that you also have 2 open sockets in CoA, so use them productively (Ber if need extra DR%, Shaels if need extra FHR).
Divine Wrote:Yea, frater ill do that
Ok this build is centered around the equipment that you manage to get hold of. Main skills:
20 Shock Web
20 Charged Bolt Sentry
20 Lightning Sentry
20 Death Sentry
Other skills that you will need:
Claw Mastery = have a decent amount here
Claw Block = put enough points into this so that you will get 60%chance to block with all of your gear on.
Mind Blast = get a claw with Mind Blast on it when making your Chaos
Fade = same as Mind Blast
Shadow Master = same
Now, if you have extra skillpoints, I'd recommend throwing them all into Fade. Fade is important because of DR% and resi, it should be your main active skill.
Equipment:
Helm: CoA with 2x-15%req/15@ jewel (if you have enough STR for CoA and won't need -req, consider putting a Shael in your CoA).
Amu: +2 Assa 15%+FCR +mods (STR and DEX are imporant)
Armor: Enigma
Belt: Arach
Gloves: Trangs/Mages (cr is nice but this build tends to be low on mana)
Boots: Goreriders, but Shadow Dancers are a good option because of skills, extra DEX and crazy FHR. Your choice. Remember that you will have to reach the 86%FHR breakpoint with all gear and charms.
Ring1: 10%FCR +mods (STR, DEX, resi)
Ring2: SoJ/Raven/rare stat ring, etc (SoJ if you are constantly running out of mana, but Raven is probably the better option due to absorb and awesome AR)
Claw1: Chaos in Greater Talon, recommended base +3 LS +1 MB
Claw2: Fury is a good option here due to OW
The best option for claw2 would be rare claw with some skills, Fool's mod, eth with self-repair, etc, but you probably won't be able to afford those.
Sorry about taking so long to answer, have been a little busy. I'm not sure that this is 100% correct, so I'm going to recalculate some breakpoints and let you know Take care.
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i need hybrid ww/LS sin guide pls
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im pretty experienced with guides also so let me know if you need any help Frater
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omgbbq Wrote:i need hybrid ww/LS sin guide pls
Not trying to be rude, but open your ****ing eyes and look at the post above yours. Sheesh.
Thanks Infected, but at the moment it seems like I can handle all the requests, if it gets overcrowded I'll let you know
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u mean post 35 is the ww/ls build?
and for a pure smiter, is upped hoz better than e vortex exile?
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omgbbq Wrote:u mean post 35 is the ww/ls build? So it is.
omgbbq Wrote:and for a pure smiter, is upped hoz better than e vortex exile?
Exile is BM so stick to upped HoZ.
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