Smiter help please

[Will]

Yeah I guess, speed over damage, so holy freeze my main aura instead of fana? So I use holy freeze in smite vs smite duels but when should I use fana? everything but smiters?

[Loits]

Skilled holy freeze is good in smite vs smite, just stack up on ias equipment to hit a satisfying breakpoint (use the calculator that i gave earlier) and use it as your main aura. in 1.09 it used to be possible to flash the aura and freez your opponent and use fana but that was fixed. 1 point is enough, some bow amas might find it bm if used against them but i don't see why you would want to use it against them anyway since any ama with a smiter are so ez that they tend to avoid duelling you anyway.

The damage reduction of taking off fana is massive but it's better to slow down your opponent and use ias eq to get your attack speed up again.

Additional Comment:
If they say that using skilled holy freez is bm then squelch and insult their mothers.

[Will]

Yeah I guess, speed over damage, so holy freeze my main aura instead of fana? So I use holy freeze in smite vs smite duels but when should I use fana? everything but smiters?--oops sorry accidentally edited an old post instead of posting a new reply ^_^

[Loits]

Yeah I guess, speed over damage, so holy freeze my main aura instead of fana? So I use holy freeze in smite vs smite duels but when should I use fana? everything but smiters?--oops sorry accidentally edited an old post instead of posting a new reply ^_^

If you get a nice grief and have gosu skill then you can own most smiters with fana but in 1v1s when you are agains someone good using holy freez will help.
In pubs i wouldn't bother stacking ias to use holy freez, you'll hardly ever meet someone good. Your hardest opponent will undoubtably a wind druid, try to get him moving so that you won't be in a "zone" of nados that he'll try to create. desync like crazy and hopefully you can kill him before he gets to you. Second hardest duell will be against a barb, you pretty much have no chances of winning what so ever but there are smiters who can beat 99% of barbs, the idea there is to try to tele or make the barb ww onto you so you can smite him while he is in a ww, don't charge or run after them, make then come on top of you.

Try to get a 31dr coa and 15 dr verdango then the ber in zaka can be replaced by something better like 30ed/9str/9dex jool.

[Will]

Ok cool
Um, I put 1 into defiance when I thought I was going to use exile grrrr
Is this a HUGE waste, using up just 1 skill? I may keep my exile and drac's for pvm cause of LT, does this mean its still a waste.

It's only one skill

[Loits]

1 Point wasted is not such a big problem, if you like smiters then you'll find that you'll rebuild 3-4 times to get the best possible build that you prefer.

[Will]

Ok so you dont think I should restart?
Because trying to hit 25, if you dont have friends that actually help is extremely annoying, I guess doing den of evil in normal will get the point back. I know I will only be 1 point below though
He should still own up anyway hopefully.
My zon also has gloves that give
10%ias/18dex/31mana/29cresi/7fresi/34%mf
Or should I find better than give to str and 20ias?

[Daddy_XL]

So .. Loits. How many skill points into Holy Freeze?? is that something you owuld max if you have enough ias gear?

[Loits]

Ok so you dont think I should restart?
Because trying to hit 25, if you dont have friends that actually help is extremely annoying, I guess doing den of evil in normal will get the point back. I know I will only be 1 point below though
He should still own up anyway hopefully.
My zon also has gloves that give
10%ias/18dex/31mana/29cresi/7fresi/34%mf
Or should I find better than give to str and 20ias?

Just continue on, skill points lost are not a big deal on your smiter, just lvl him to 90 and start duelling, once you get experience you might find that you need to rebuild. About the gloves, refer to the ias calculator and make sure you hit the maximum smite speed if those gloves do the trick go for them.

So .. Loits. How many skill points into Holy Freeze?? is that something you owuld max if you have enough ias gear?

There is no point maxing holy freeze since the freezing effect does not become better. skilles should be distributed something like this:

20 smite
20 fana
20 holy shield
1 holy freeze
1 charge
1 vigor

now with the rest you have to match them to your playstyle, if you are into team duels then 1 point in meditation and prayer would be good. in team duels salvation might also be a good idea but you'll mostly find out that you won't need it. If you like to build up high defence max defiance but i'd say that that is a bad idea cos you only need high defence against barbs and you'll lose against most of them with high defence + life tap anyway because barbs rape smiters although it's not impossible to win.

Those extra points will find most use in passive resists in my opinion. if you put 20 in lightning then your light resi will always be 85 and it increases your normal resi by 40. this is good against fohs since you stack more and against any other caster. there is no point in boosting cold resi since blizzard has massive - resi anyway. it's much better to stack cold resi with charms.

against a good foh you need about 280 resi stack and same goes for a blizz soso. that means that if you have 75 resi in hell you need another 280 on top of it to get max resi.

you can use infernostrides against fire sosos or waterwalks and add 10 points into fire resi. it's really up to you how you deal with the rest of the skill points.

[Will]

Just continue on, skill points lost are not a big deal on your smiter, just lvl him to 90 and start duelling, once you get experience you might find that you need to rebuild. About the gloves, refer to the ias calculator and make sure you hit the maximum smite speed if those gloves do the trick go for them.



There is no point maxing holy freeze since the freezing effect does not become better. skilles should be distributed something like this:

20 smite
20 fana
20 holy shield
1 holy freeze
1 charge
1 vigor

now with the rest you have to match them to your playstyle, if you are into team duels then 1 point in meditation and prayer would be good. in team duels salvation might also be a good idea but you'll mostly find out that you won't need it. If you like to build up high defence max defiance but i'd say that that is a bad idea cos you only need high defence against barbs and you'll lose against most of them with high defence + life tap anyway because barbs rape smiters although it's not impossible to win.

Those extra points will find most use in passive resists in my opinion. if you put 20 in lightning then your light resi will always be 85 and it increases your normal resi by 40. this is good against fohs since you stack more and against any other caster. there is no point in boosting cold resi since blizzard has massive - resi anyway. it's much better to stack cold resi with charms.

against a good foh you need about 280 resi stack and same goes for a blizz soso. that means that if you have 75 resi in hell you need another 280 on top of it to get max resi.

you can use infernostrides against fire sosos or waterwalks and add 10 points into fire resi. it's really up to you how you deal with the rest of the skill points.

Omg, 1 into vigor? I wasted my point on defiance, but to use vigor I need to put one into defiance anyway!

[Loits]

Charge + vigor will make you desync, some people think that they can desync with fana + charge, doesn't work that way. -.- I forgot to mention that some people also like to max charge because they use it offencively a lot but imo there is not much point.

[Will]

Ok cool, I can easily wear everything with base str, but Im going to have to put just a little into dex for max block, but it should be ok. I probably might not even have to.

I seem to do more dmg with exile by quite alot, but with holy shield with exile I have 39% chance to block, with up'd hoz I have 54% which is a huge difference, meaning more pts into vitality. Im doing around 1.8k smite dmg with hoz, but exile does 2.1k dmg. Does exile do more dmg? or is there more to hoz?

Btw what do you mean by desync?

[voicelessphantom]

Charging around sometimes messes with the server. You move faster than the server can register so you practially dissapear and pop up on your opponents screen. It can be accomplished without vigor, but happens less than if you use vigor while charging.

[Will]

Oh ok thanks

[Loits]

The shield damage is the same but hoz gives more skills allowing you to get a higher smite + fana lvl, you can also sox it with a 40ed jool adding more to your damage. The numbers shown in your character screen are useless, that's not the actual smite damage. If you want to increase your damage some mopre you can use wartravellers but i don't think you need the stats on them any more.

http://dpw.bounceme.net/damage_calc.html

use this calculator to find out your damage. For base damage use your shield base damage not the ba damage.

did you up your hoz?

[splatterghost]

Ok loits shut the hell up you don't know what your talking about

first off you need to max holy shield you get a boost to your attack damage for a smiter also defiance is a prereq for holy shield it increases the defence , second the reason you use exile over uped hoz is for the increased defence from defiance thats 10k defence can do a lot when facing bowazon's javazon's or almost any char that does melee attack your defence if you have the right gear can be upwards of 40k

well to get over 4k life you need 20/xx/x anni and 20/xx torch second you need lifers
20/5 all res or 20/11 fire cold or lightning res, third get 40 vita dungo's 15 vita eth treks. so if you add those all up you would get 105 points to vita just in those which would give you 315 life from those plus 740 from sc charms which would be 1055 life
plus at lvl 90 you would get 180 life from lvls then if you have 400 hard points into vita that would give you 700 for a total of 1935 health points now with BO could get anywhere from 53% to 73% more life so if you took out some of your other items you could have a 4k life smiter

[Will]

Umm yeah Im petty sure it is these are the stats, can you see if it is-
-500 defense
-+2 combat skills
-+2 to pally skills
-30% faster blockrate
-30% increase chance to block
-20% a/r
-196 e/defense
-20 str
-20 vit
-50 all res

If this is not an upped hoz, can you pls tell me the stats an upped hoz has. Btw his strat works, I have 500 vita at lvl 77 (2.1k life, no bo)

Loits knows what hes talking about thanks. you have your build others have theirs..

[Loits]

Ok loits shut the hell up you don't know what your talking about

first off you need to max holy shield you get a boost to your attack damage for a smiter also defiance is a prereq for holy shield it increases the defence , second the reason you use exile over uped hoz is for the increased defence from defiance thats 10k defence can do a lot when facing bowazon's javazon's or almost any char that does melee attack your defence if you have the right gear can be upwards of 40k

well to get over 4k life you need 20/xx/x anni and 20/xx torch second you need lifers
20/5 all res or 20/11 fire cold or lightning res, third get 40 vita dungo's 15 vita eth treks. so if you add those all up you would get 105 points to vita just in those which would give you 315 life from those plus 740 from sc charms which would be 1055 life
plus at lvl 90 you would get 180 life from lvls then if you have 400 hard points into vita that would give you 700 for a total of 1935 health points now with BO could get anywhere from 53% to 73% more life so if you took out some of your other items you could have a 4k life smiter

funniest flames ever lol.

where did i state that holy shield does not need to be maxed?

defiance increases holy shield def but not smite damage only points in holy shield increase it's damage.

you must be so skilled to need defence against bowas, especially since bowas are the easiest opponents for a smiter. btw if you didn't know then guided is always hit and defence doesn't help there.

I did mention the 10k increased def above and pointed to a link that has a % to hit calculator showing that there is not much difference between 20k and 30k def.

40k def how gosu is that isn't it? the bottom line is that you get owned by every singel ww baba out there even if you have that. who else do you need defence against? bowas? LOL, zealers? lol, melee sorcs? lolololol.

using treks gives you 30 stat points if perf but 40 life and 22 resi from two extra scs and 25 dex from dancers is better.

i stated that he needs verdango and i stated that he needs 20life/11 resi scs.

If you don't use life tap in duels then that will help you to learn more about duelling as a smiter and skilled gm people will duel you more. This is also stated before.

Basically you are like most of bnet newbs who think that your char has to have last wish + exile then he pwns cos i have 2 really expencive runewords.
I suggest you to milk your mom some more and get duelling experience.

Umm yeah Im petty sure it is these are the stats, can you see if it is-
-500 defense
-+2 combat skills
-+2 to pally skills
-30% faster blockrate
-30% increase chance to block
-20% a/r
-196 e/defense
-20 str
-20 vit
-50 all res

If this is not an upped hoz, can you pls tell me the stats an upped hoz has. Btw his strat works, I have 500 vita at lvl 77 (2.1k life, no bo)

Loits knows what hes talking about thanks. you have your build others have theirs..

You can determine wather your zaka is upped by looking at it's requirements, the str req should be 142.

[Will]

Yep I got ripped...btw why do you need defense against a bowazon when you can charge up to them, leaving you 4 seconds for them to react so their piece of crap pc can keep up with your charge to beat the living shit out of them..Im lvl 77, going around owning lvl 90 zons with propper zon gear with them hitting me a couple of seconds after theyre 3/4's dead..and I was using a normal hoz ffs.

ANYWAY..I got ripped u_u I traded spirit for it loits all well still have alot of sojs left. A mistake made is another lesson learnt ^,^

P.S. Just got one then

[Loits]

You don't need defence against bowas guided is always hit and amas don't have enough mana to spam multiple therefore having loads of defence against them is pointless. If i stated otherwise then it was sarcasm.

Too bad about your shield :\