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Can anyone link me to a very good, well written lite sorc guide? I want to make mine as good as you can in terms of skills, and even the order and all that.
I also am curious about a few choices I have with gear:
20/20 Lite mon vs 35 fcr spirit
+3, 25 lite eschutas vs Hoto vs 35 fcr spirit sword
Maras Ammy vs sorc fcr ammy
Can anyone help me out a bit?
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PVP is all about dmg. I dont want to say anything yet cause this is Frater's area of expertise. Listen to him closely, he knows what he's doing.
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Ok I will.  The only time I've ever disagreed with Frater thus far was about the setup used for an Uber Smiter, which, to this day, I still believe my build is better, lol.
But, this time around Im not sure. So, Frater's help would be greatly appreciated.
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PoTaToes Wrote:PVP is all about dmg. I dont want to say anything yet cause this is Frater's area of expertise. Listen to him closely, he knows what he's doing. Actually it's the opposite 
PvP is all about safety.
@Halicarnasos, do you want ES or full VIT build? ES is better but you require godly items. Let me know and I'll write something ASAP. As in for your first questions:
Spirit > 20/-20 Monarch any day
Eschuta v. HOTO:
Depends on the rest of your gear and resists, however as a general rule, use Eschuta against Barbs, Smiters and melee damage based chars and HOTO v. Elemental dam dealers (i.e. sorcs and trappers).
FCR amulet > Mara
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FraterPerdurabo Wrote:Actually it's the opposite
PvP is all about safety.
@Halicarnasos, do you want ES or full VIT build? ES is better but you require godly items. Let me know and I'll write something ASAP. As in for your first questions:
Spirit > 20/-20 Monarch any day
Eschuta v. HOTO:
Depends on the rest of your gear and resists, however as a general rule, use Eschuta against Barbs, Smiters and melee damage based chars and HOTO v. Elemental dam dealers (i.e. sorcs and trappers).
FCR amulet > Mara
I can handle the more expensive builds. Actually, price isn't really an issue at all, except for the most expensive of things (I.E. 9x lifer lite gcs...could be an issue, lol.)
My lite sorc is doing only 12k dmg rikght now at lvl 78, but granted I can't use spider yet, and I dont have an ammy yet. I also dont have any lite gcs just yet.
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Halicarnasus Wrote:I can handle the more expensive builds. Actually, price isn't really an issue at all, except for the most expensive of things (I.E. 9x lifer lite gcs...could be an issue, lol.)
My lite sorc is doing only 12k dmg rikght now at lvl 78, but granted I can't use spider yet, and I dont have an ammy yet. I also dont have any lite gcs just yet. If you cannot afford lite +4x lifers then you are at a bit of a loss. Is this ladder or NL? If you have bmanas then you could pull it off, however without 4x lifers your life will be way too low. Alternatively, you could put a few more points into VIT, but then it won't be a godly build any more, it will just be mediocre.
So let me know the following things:
Ladder or NL?
ES or VIT?
What are the best skillers that you can get?
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Ladder
ES, probably
Best skillers...probably plain or with fhr/str. Unless I strip my smiter, I can't get the lifers.
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Halicarnasus Wrote:Ladder
ES, probably
Best skillers...probably plain or with fhr/str. Unless I strip my smiter, I can't get the lifers. Well, if you cannot get +life skillers then there isn't much point in making a PvP char, but I'll give you some guidelines anyway as in what to aim for:
Helm: Shako Shael
Weapon: HOTO vs elemental dam, otherwise Eschuta faceted
Shield: Spirit Monarch 35%FCR +high mana
Armor: CoH
Belt: Arach
Gloves: Frostburns
Boots: crafted mana boots (FHR% is necessary!), but Waterwalks will be fine. if Europe NL, use Atma's Boots
Rings: 2xSoJ ofc
Amulet: +2 sorc 10%FCR +STR +mana +life (this items makes your char)
Inv:
+xx lifers lightskillers
anni
torch
bmanas, or 20life/17 mana scs
Stats:
STR: enough for gear. Because of Monarch you will have to put quite a few here.
DEX: none
VIT/ENE ratio: get all your gear and make them in Item Editor, then aim for around 2k life and 5k mana. With correct gear, you will have ~50 VIT and rest in ENE.
Basic concept:
Life needed for poison damage, OW, etc.
Mana needed for everything else.
Mana > Life, but you will need a fair bit of both. Yet more than 2k life is an overkill.
86%FHR = 55% Spirit, 20% Waterwalks, 20% Shael in Shako
105%FCR = 40% HOTO/Eschuta, 20% Arach, 35% Spirit, 10% from amu.
Apparently, many people say that in sorc vs. sorc, VIT build is better than ES, however I'm not sure to which extent that is correct.
Alternatively, you could make a Wizzy build:
Helm: Shako Shael
Armor: CoH
Weapon: Wizardspike with 7%/+9/+9 or +15/-15%
Shield: Spirit Monarch
Belt: Arach
Rings: SoJs
Amulet: rare +2 sorc +massive stats, i.e. +20 STR +xx DEX (needed for Wizzy) +life +mana
Same inv.
If you are unsure about anything else, just go for it and post.
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There are some things about that build I like, and others I don't like. Obviously, I understand that mana is a HUGE part of ES sorc (seeing as mana is basically what powers an ES sorc), but, could I sacrifice a little bit of the mana for a bit more dmg? I mean...would it hurt all that much to swap out the Shako for a nice griffs? and if I had to, I could shael the griffs for the fhr still. my aim is to kind of have a bit more fcr than just 105. The build I was planning on currently has like 145 fcr, and still nice fhr. Here is my idea:
Griffs
CoH
Maras
Eschutas/Hoto
35 fcr spirit
Arachs
2x soj
Magefists
15/15 Treks
9x lite gcs
anni
torch
about 2x fhr scs
8x life/mana scs.
With this build I have very nice res, more fcr, i hit the fhr bp (i think...if not, swap a life sc for another fhr sc) and it seems I have a lot more -enemy lite res. I dunno...I see you're aiming for really high mana, which is essential to ES (I.E. frosties, 2x soj, and lots of mana scs), but then again, when it comes down to teleing faster to escape chargers/smiters, it seems almost imperative that you have more fcr. You're the expert, I guess.
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Halicarnasus Wrote:There are some things about that build I like, and others I don't like. Obviously, I understand that mana is a HUGE part of ES sorc (seeing as mana is basically what powers an ES sorc), but, could I sacrifice a little bit of the mana for a bit more dmg? I mean...would it hurt all that much to swap out the Shako for a nice griffs? and if I had to, I could shael the griffs for the fhr still. my aim is to kind of have a bit more fcr than just 105. The build I was planning on currently has like 145 fcr, and still nice fhr. Here is my idea:
Griffs
CoH
Maras
Eschutas/Hoto
35 fcr spirit
Arachs
2x soj
Magefists
15/15 Treks
9x lite gcs
anni
torch
about 2x fhr scs
8x life/mana scs.
With this build I have very nice res, more fcr, i hit the fhr bp (i think...if not, swap a life sc for another fhr sc) and it seems I have a lot more -enemy lite res. I dunno...I see you're aiming for really high mana, which is essential to ES (I.E. frosties, 2x soj, and lots of mana scs), but then again, when it comes down to teleing faster to escape chargers/smiters, it seems almost imperative that you have more fcr. You're the expert, I guess. Nah, you're off on this one.
1) 145%FCR and 105%FCR are the same breakpoint. One isn't faster than the other so you gain nothing. The next breakpoint up (faster casting) is ~180%.
2) Could you sacrifice some mana for extra damage? No. PvP is all about safety. It won't have a huge difference anyway, since light sorcs have a massive damage gap. In other words, not worth it and it will be minute extra damage. Do as you like, but you've heard what I've had to say.
3) FHR% breakpoints are 48% and 86%. Aim for the latter.
So basically, you won't gain anything with your setup, but will lose a lot of safety, which is vital in PvP.
My clanmate had this ES light sorc and before he was keylogged, he beat the best Blizzer on Europe Ladder with it, so don't underestimate this build (well, obviously he's ****ing skilled as well).
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Well, I made my sorc, and I have all of the main gear you suggested, plus some added things in my inven (griffs, magefists, and a few other misc. swap out items). I am finding that ES works best vs. casters, and that vs. Melee chars, if you use ES, they quickly drain your mana if they get a shot on you. Im beginning to think that the VIT build is better for melee chars myself. Maybe that is just me.
I DO like my char tho. It is very nice. Im still have a lot to trade with, and I still need a few things. (a couple mana scs, and a nice helm for my merc...any suggestions on helm?). I might be able to buy a couple of the lite lifers. It depends, what do they each cost?
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Halicarnasus Wrote:Well, I made my sorc, and I have all of the main gear you suggested, plus some added things in my inven (griffs, magefists, and a few other misc. swap out items). I am finding that ES works best vs. casters, and that vs. Melee chars, if you use ES, they quickly drain your mana if they get a shot on you. Im beginning to think that the VIT build is better for melee chars myself. Maybe that is just me.
I DO like my char tho. It is very nice. Im still have a lot to trade with, and I still need a few things. (a couple mana scs, and a nice helm for my merc...any suggestions on helm?). I might be able to buy a couple of the lite lifers. It depends, what do they each cost? Don't know about prices on your realm, check d2jsp.
Don't know about merc gear, using them for duels is lol. Is that what people do on your realm?
Mana drain is obviously related to how much you have. How much life and mana do you have, and how many points do you have in VIT/ENE? I think that you may have screwed up somewhere with the ratio, because generally ES is better vs. melee builds and VIT is better vs. casters.
Ah sorry, I messed this one up a little. I couldn't find the breakpoints for light skills but Jedi just posted them in another thread, and for a light sorc, you need 117%FCR instead of 105% for the breakpoint, so you'd have to have at least 12%fcr on your amu and use 1 FCR ring instead of a SoJ, or use Griffon's instead of Shako, like you suggested (I'd actually do the latter).
Sorry about this, my bad.
So I'd go for:
Griffon's (Shael if you don't reach the FCR breakpoint, otherwise you might as well go for the facet)
CoH
HOTO/Eschuta
Spirit
Arach
FCR amu (any FCR, you only need the minimum, 5%)
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FraterPerdurabo Wrote:Don't know about prices on your realm, check d2jsp.
Don't know about merc gear, using them for duels is lol. Is that what people do on your realm?
Mana drain is obviously related to how much you have. How much life and mana do you have, and how many points do you have in VIT/ENE? I think that you may have screwed up somewhere with the ratio, because generally ES is better vs. melee builds and VIT is better vs. casters.
Ah sorry, I messed this one up a little. I couldn't find the breakpoints for light skills but Jedi just posted them in another thread, and for a light sorc, you need 117%FCR instead of 105% for the breakpoint, so you'd have to have at least 12%fcr on your amu and use 1 FCR ring instead of a SoJ, or use Griffon's instead of Shako, like you suggested (I'd actually do the latter).
Sorry about this, my bad.
So I'd go for:
Griffon's (Shael if you don't reach the FCR breakpoint, otherwise you might as well go for the facet)
CoH
HOTO/Eschuta
Spirit
Arach
FCR amu (any FCR, you only need the minimum, 5%)
Well I really appreciate your help. My lite sorc is pumping out 45k lite with the gear u suggested, and I can easily handle most chars. Thanks a lot. ^_^
Oh, one last thing, I use my merc for sorbing noobs with 2x wisps, tgods, and res lite aura on. Convic basically voids all of that. My merc uses:
Eth CV Infinity
Eth Scarab Fort (3k def)
2soc GSkull w/ 2x 40/15s in it.
Merc does 8k melee dmg, and adds to my dmg with convic. Makes for a gfg asset to a pvp lite sorc, no? Esp when dueling smiters/zealers. Tele on em, and merc rocks em. lol.
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