Make me(and others) a believer.

[Siris]

Well maybe if you actually read the Bible you'll see that people who go to hell don't burn forever. They burn a certain duration before ceasing to exist. There are only three entities that burn forever and that is the beast, the whore, and satan.

Second I have never said anything ever about god loving anyone (ever anywhere on this forum) so I don't see how I piss you off. In fact I have never said anything about god's character or anything else. I have only ever talked about his possible existence.

[Beoron]

The belief that some won't burn forever is a fringe belief for the most part.

You can't scientifically prove most of the Bible, because they're historical events, not scientific. You don't use science to study Ghengis Khan, you use historical methods of study. Involving extant documents and such.

Anyhow, that's all a bit disjointed, but you get the idea, hopefully.

[Zerobanshee]

Who are we to question God?
God is a being that is impossible for us to comprehend, let alone understand. He is too far up in the higher entity levels that trying to learn and understand him is the same as trying to teach ****roaches how to understand human beings. Its not only improbable for us to "Know" God, its damn-near impossible. Yeah, we can understand the very basic concepts of God and what he is and what he has done, but to try to understand him as you can understand another human being seems dubious.

[Kyle Destroyer]

Well maybe if you actually read the Bible you'll see that people who go to hell don't burn forever. They burn a certain duration before ceasing to exist. There are only three entities that burn forever and that is the beast, the whore, and satan.

Second I have never said anything ever about god loving anyone (ever anywhere on this forum) so I don't see how I piss you off. In fact I have never said anything about god's character or anything else. I have only ever talked about his possible existence.

You haven't....the bible has......bible thumper.

[Z3R0]

Well maybe if you actually read the Bible you'll see that people who go to hell don't burn forever. They burn a certain duration before ceasing to exist. There are only three entities that burn forever and that is the beast, the whore, and satan.

Second I have never said anything ever about god loving anyone (ever anywhere on this forum) so I don't see how I piss you off. In fact I have never said anything about god's character or anything else. I have only ever talked about his possible existence.

You seem to be reading only one book, Revelations. Guess what, that isn't the only one, and in the others, it suggests an "eternal" spirit, which means, it continues to exist even after the body that housed it has passed away. That's just what the Bible says though, don't believe me, look it up.

[The Mob]

Significance is relevant.

Thats not "physical" evidence, all that is, is another piece of paper with another story.

You two are some of the extremes of this arguement. I believe in God, but not your bullshit, white robed, man made image of god who is so forgiving he sends sinners and gay people to hell, where they burn forever in a ****ing lake of fire (thats pretty damn forgiving) People like the Mob and Siris just piss me off, if god loves everyone, he won't send anyone to hell. But he won't send people to a mutual plaza made of clouds called heaven either.

sigh.. you are trying to apply what everyone else believes to me
ill say it again. god does not condemn anyone to hell. period
then why you might ask, are people there? b/c people reject him and heaven. he wont force you to go to heaven. why would he do that? and he does not send gay people to hell. they like the rest of us will go to purgatory. but not hell.
this is catholic theology. and of course everyone else has other religions that they believe in.
i dont know what you are thinking...

God cannot be explained, because in-breeding and Adam and Eve just don't go together.

about the whole inbreeding.. the bible itself is wrong if you take it literally
the whole human race did not originate from adam and eve. even the bible ackknowledges that. if you look at the story of cain and abel, when cain is sent out to wander the earth, he is worried that other people will kill him. but wait, why the hell should he worry when, if taken literally, there are only three people on earth at this time? (adam, eve, and himself).

[Zerobanshee]

where in the bible does the word purgatory come about? I haven't seen it yet. And It does also say that the sons of God with the daughters of man populated this earth, or whatever the phrase went.

[The Mob]

if you are looking for stuff word for word in the bible.. your screwed. you must look for stuff by context, and not by the word for word (literal) meaning.
but to answer your question
"Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin." 2 Macc 12:46. NAB
"‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky;
and all this land that I promised,
I will give your descendants as their perpetual heritage.’" Ex 30:13 NAB

again, you can not take these literally, or else you will never understand them

[BlindMansTicket]

[The Mob]

LOL
that is pretty funny

[Siris]

There is kind of a puratory. it is when god resurrects the dead and sends the truely evil to hell. The rest wander the earth for like 1000 years while god and god's true believes go through the book of life and judge the remaining. During that time they have another chance to repent which of course most won't because while wandering on earth they are suffering pain. Therefore, they will curse god.

And no I have not just read revelation (no s). I have read several books. I find the book that explains what is clean and not clean to us interesting. (like what we should and should not eat.)

[The Mob]

you mean Deuteronomy? or was that leviticus?
btw, what are you? like religion wise

[Zerobanshee]

I also read somewhere in the bible that there was a purgatory, just like you said, Siris. I think it was in one of the latter books of the bible.

[Siris]

you mean Deuteronomy? or was that leviticus?
btw, what are you? like religion wise

Both books actually.

Well the religion that so far follows the bible (uncorrupt) the closest is 7th day advenist so I guess thats what I am.

I also read somewhere in the bible that there was a purgatory, just like you said, Siris. I think it was in one of the latter books of the bible.

I believe both revelation and book of daniel say this.

[The Mob]

ok. thats interesting.

[Kyle Destroyer]

The bible is taken way too literally, it's all a bunch of metaphors.