are drugs too taboo for bzs?

[BrioCloud]

I'm xDBD, what I do with my body is my own business. If it doesn't affect you then why do you care? It has nothing to do with you, it has to do with me and my choices that affect my body.

When he argues and discredits the fact that MJ is harmful to the body, I began to prove otherwise. My goal is not to persuade him to stop, it is just to prove it is unhealthy.

[SpoonMan999]

When he argues and discredits the fact that MJ is harmful to the body, I began to prove otherwise. My goal is not to persuade him to stop, it is just to prove it is unhealthy.

Lots of things people do are unhealthy, but you were also arguing the legality issue. Which is what my response was directed at.

[BrioCloud]

Lots of things people do are unhealthy, but you were also arguing the legality issue. Which is what my response was directed at.

Maybe that sidetracked a bit.

I brought up the legality issue to help my argument about the unhealthiness of MJ. My thought was that there has to be a reason why it is illegal. And I was trying to prove the why. One major factor of MJ being illegal without a prescription is the sheer potential of damage it can do to your body and your life as a whole. More people abuse it than use it. But you can't argue about cars being banned because they cause so many accidents. People don't abuse cars as much as they abuse MJ.

[SpoonMan999]

Then what about alcohol or tobacco?

[BrioCloud]

I was talking MJ. MJ stands for Marijuan-a. Tobacco and alcohol is not illegal to use unless you are underage.

[Japo]

Maybe that sidetracked a bit.

One major factor of MJ being illegal without a prescription is the sheer potential of damage it can do

sheer potential????? :O
yo this stuff isnt radioactive or anything dude, like wow man
its grass

tell me, why are you so fierce about this subject man,
you never tried, never gonna, so stop fighting about this
there will always be people for and against anything in this world

me and my parents or friends laugh because they always say: wow too much steak is bad for you, too much of this can kill you, or too much of that is dangerous

yo i gotta die from something!

[pepereina1]

tell me, why are you so fierce about this subject man,
you never tried, never gonna, so stop fighting about this
there will always be people for and against anything in this world

me and my parents or friends laugh because they always say: wow too much steak is bad for you, too much of this can kill you, or too much of that is dangerous

He makes a good point. Like I never have tried any drugs, but I don't believe you have a right to get all bible-bashing on people unless you have some experience. And I'm sure taken in moderation it couldn't be much worse for you than most of the crap thats in food we eat.

[xDBD]

Don't bring e-tuffness into this. I'd say it to your face in IRL, just as I typed it earlier.

And I hope that comment about super seriousness was meant sarcastically... Because I honestly don't give a **** about junkies.

i wasn't being e-tough at all, i was being sarcastic and joking the whole time. apparently drugs are too taboo for BZS, for at least for this man right here. what's your beef with me, i smoke ***? i'll do some psychedelics with close friends a few times a year? that somehow makes me a junkie?

my life does not revolve around doing drugs or being high. i mean, i don't even really drink. i probably truly get drunk less times per year than i trip total. i mean, i have had my wild days but i was a kid kind of acting out, i've grew out of most all of that.

so really, i kinda wish you would say it to my face. to be honest, out of reflex i'd probably stick you in your face for that. let's not e-fight here. really, if the thread title didn't make it clear enough that there was gonna be some pro-drug talk going on, why even come in and just talk shit? i'm all for forum drama and creating posts but talk shit in another thread...

When he argues and discredits the fact that MJ is harmful to the body, I began to prove otherwise. My goal is not to persuade him to stop, it is just to prove it is unhealthy.

I believe *********, when smoked, is harmful purely because you are inhaling the BURNED resins, tars, smokes, and vaporized active chemicals of a plant. that will, undoubtedly hurt you.

please state where I have tried to deny this, because I never have. however, I want you to cite one CREDIBLE (say a medical journal) source where cannabis usage is permanently damaging to the human body(specifically non-smoked, only vaporized or eaten as vaping and eating produce the same effects without smoking).

I'm sorry to say that, the truth is there really isn't very many. Yeah, I can think of a few but good luck finding them because as exercised by your sources from before, you aren't the greatest at researching your debate topics... and i'll be damned if i'ma throw you a bone at this point

[ominousferret11]

what i find absolutely hysterical, is how against ********* some people can be. they use arguments like "its illegal, so its bad for you". let me ask you something, have you ever sat infront of a mcdonalds and watched the people walking in? better yet, the people that DONT HAVE THE TIME TO GO IN THE RESTAURANT. there are people that look fit and eat mcdonalds, yes. BUT there are also people that are walking heartattacks that eat mcdonalds whenever they can.

the argument saying that all p0t smokers are lowlifes and degenerates, also gets me going. saying that ********* is a gateway drug. do you hear yourself when you talk? lets talk religion for a second. some 80% of serial killers say they believe in ***, there are even a few of them believing they do ***s work. so by your "gateway" logic, church is a gateway to serial killing. you can't hold p0t accountable for the minds that use it. the reason you see "degenerates" using ***, is because their personality is to be rebelious, i can guarentee you that if maryjane was decriminalized that those degenerates would move onto a harder more unstable drug. it is possible to use maryjane and NOT have terrible grades, if grades even say anything seeing as how there are many success stories that have a GED.

also, the government put a study out that p0t is bad for you if you smoke it in high content. their average was somewhere about 30-40 jays in a week. thats lighting up every 5-6 hours. yes, that could be very harmful to your health. i apologize for a lack of a link, but i can't find it for the life of me... who knows maybe i'm too high by government standards

the point is, dont blame p0t for its users. the same reason why we can't blame the church for the pedophiles in their heirarchy, the same reason why we can't blame presidents for unfair laws (presidents dont write laws, its true, they can sign on them, but they dont write them), the same reason why we can't blame alcohol for alcoholics. just because p0t is illegal, is why some people do it, and yes... those people give it a very bad name but please please please dont sit there and say that p0t is going to undo society as we know it (i'm not sure anybody has said that... but i think thats what some people certainly think).

[BrioCloud]

i wasn't being e-tough at all, i was being sarcastic and joking the whole time. apparently drugs are too taboo for BZS, for at least for this man right here. what's your beef with me, i smoke ***? i'll do some psychedelics with close friends a few times a year? that somehow makes me a junkie?

my life does not revolve around doing drugs or being high. i mean, i don't even really drink. i probably truly get drunk less times per year than i trip total. i mean, i have had my wild days but i was a kid kind of acting out, i've grew out of most all of that.

so really, i kinda wish you would say it to my face. to be honest, out of reflex i'd probably stick you in your face for that. let's not e-fight here. really, if the thread title didn't make it clear enough that there was gonna be some pro-drug talk going on, why even come in and just talk shit? i'm all for forum drama and creating posts but talk shit in another thread...



I believe *********, when smoked, is harmful purely because you are inhaling the BURNED resins, tars, smokes, and vaporized active chemicals of a plant. that will, undoubtedly hurt you.

please state where I have tried to deny this, because I never have. however, I want you to cite one CREDIBLE (say a medical journal) source where cannabis usage is permanently damaging to the human body(specifically non-smoked, only vaporized or eaten as vaping and eating produce the same effects without smoking).

I'm sorry to say that, the truth is there really isn't very many. Yeah, I can think of a few but good luck finding them because as exercised by your sources from before, you aren't the greatest at researching your debate topics... and i'll be damned if i'ma throw you a bone at this point

Let me make it clear that I believe MJ is harmful, but if you choose to do it I have no opinions at all. I am only trying to say MJ is a harmful substance. In turn state one CREDIBLE (say a medical journal) where MJ should be used for people without any medical problems. I have already known and agree on the use of medical MJ. Take note of my grandma who had to use Morphine before she died, that's a big drug and I had no problem of her using it. As I have said before, MJ can be a potent medical medicine, however people like high school students and my colleagues are definitely not using them because of the pains of cancer or other medical disorders. Making MJ a harmful way to have fun, or whatever the reason you want to use it. I don't need chemicals to make me happy.

the point is, dont blame p0t for its users. the same reason why we can't blame the church for the pedophiles in their heirarchy, the same reason why we can't blame presidents for unfair laws (presidents dont write laws, its true, they can sign on them, but they dont write them), the same reason why we can't blame alcohol for alcoholics. just because p0t is illegal, is why some people do it, and yes... those people give it a very bad name but please please please dont sit there and say that p0t is going to undo society as we know it (i'm not sure anybody has said that... but i think thats what some people certainly think).

You guy seem to take it extremely personal when I say that MJ is harmful to the body. I have never attacked anybody as much as xDBD did to me.

[SpoonMan999]

I was talking MJ. MJ stands for Marijuan-a. Tobacco and alcohol is not illegal to use unless you are underage.

I know what MJ means...try looking at the post I quoted and put my comment into context.

I brought up the legality issue to help my argument about the unhealthiness of MJ. My thought was that there has to be a reason why it is illegal. And I was trying to prove the why. One major factor of MJ being illegal without a prescription is the sheer potential of damage it can do to your body and your life as a whole. More people abuse it than use it. But you can't argue about cars being banned because they cause so many accidents. People don't abuse cars as much as they abuse MJ.

My point was that by this logic alcohol and tobacco should be illegal. You're pulling this double standard bullshit that pisses me off. It's like people who smoke five packs a day and then look down on me for smoking ***. What you're doing isn't as bad but it's up there.

[Japo]

You guy seem to take it extremely personal when I say that MJ is harmful to the body. I have never attacked anybody as much as xDBD did to me.

yo, everyone here to me has apparently done something except you
its not personal but you keep arguing the matter on dead ends

you dont know anything but what has been said to you
only the veil of which covers your eyes

take harold and kumar movies for example
they get stoned daily like everyday and theyre both really smart
but the propaganda wants you to believe its bad

yo ive been smoking for quite some time and i graduated high school 1 year early and it doesnt affect you

[SpoonMan999]

yo, everyone here to me has apparently done something except you
its not personal but you keep arguing the matter on dead ends

you dont know anything but what has been said to you
only the veil of which covers your eyes

take harold and kumar movies for example
they get stoned daily like everyday and theyre both really smart
but the propaganda wants you to believe its bad

yo ive been smoking for quite some time and i graduated high school 1 year early and it doesnt affect you

Using a movie is kind of a bad example. I knew this kid in high school, kid was in Calculus and getting straight A's, you know what? He got high every day. Our school was known as the stoner school in the district yet we always had the highest test scores.

[ominousferret11]

i appoligize kaze, as i can't tell inflections and such when reading text, i only thought you were attacking those who had smoked.

on another note, this article from time magazine back in 2002 sheds light on both sides of the argument, basically saying that p0t has such a varying affect on EVERYONE that its hard to determine whether or not it is good for you.

EDIT: mmk, since my post count isn't high enough to produce links ill break it down time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003570-1,00.html

the scariest thing to me, is that there are 3 heirarchies in the government for approving cannabis related research. FDA (food and drug administration), DEA (drug enforcement administration) and NIDA (national institute on Drug abuse). NIDA is the only government agency that gives cannabis to research centers. So there inlies the problem, we have a government monopoly on what studies they want done and what studies they wish to keep out.

there used to be a popular THC drug out there called dronabinol, or Marinol for its market name, but it was too concentrated and the subjects got too high and it would eventually staple them to the bed/couch unlike regular *********. the other problem was that it was taken orally, so there was no help to those that couldn't eat anything. and it takes something a lot longer to hit your system, so many aids and cancer patients prefer the street p0t to Marinol, regardless of safety and legality.

and as to the deaths with THC in the subjects? there are no conclusive deaths that are THC induced, as you would need the equivalent of 900 consecutive joints to have a lethal dose in your system. when the government tells you that there was a car crash and the subject had THC in them, they neglect to tell you that their alcohol levels were sky high, so i personally think that we can never put p0t and alcohol in the same category when it comes to severity or health related concerns.

we are the only p0t-fearing country, as certain countries such as Britain and Canada have allowed certain amounts to be on your person. I am strongly against the criminalization of p0t.

[Nethran]

Ooh! Ooh! Time for my two cents!

I've never smoked mj and I never plan to. I take care of myself better than that. How can anyone think that inhaling smoke from anything doesn't hurt you? That shit builds up in you, just like smoking a cigarette. Also, I don't know how people can think it's at all safe to put mind-altering chemicals into your body. If it effects my brain in unnatural ways, I stay away from it. Hell, unless I have to, I don't take most medicines as it is. The more you take, the higher your resistance to it and the more you have to take.

This thread shows how f'd up the world is today. People think it's fine, of no consequence, what they do to their bodies. And they think that if they do it to themselves it doesn't effect anyone else. Well, I'm sure you've all helped someone else do it to their bodies, or condoned it, haven't you? That doesn't help things.

The world is a stressful place. I deal with it just fine without having to get high, and I think most other people are capable of it too.





Guess that means I joined KazeCloud's side.

[xDBD]

can you guys please cite a nice source stating that cannabis usage is directly linked to damage to either the body or brain?
it's the ignorance that gets me, not the difference in opinions. cannabis usage is pretty benign to the body as far as how the active chemicals interact and play with your body/brain. none of it is permanent, anyway. for example, smoking ********* can affect the amount of melatonin produced by your brain naturally but really it's unclear how much we produce anyway.

[BrioCloud]

Alright. I am ignorant and uneducated. I have admitted it. Please stop talking about my ignorance. It makes your paragraphs longer and harder to read the point.

Let me list the websites that says MJ is harmful as well as not harmful so you know I have seen both sides. It doesn't really matter anyways. You're just going to question the credibility of the websites that says MJ is harmful.

Websites that says MJ is harmful:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuan*a.html
http://www.narconon-drug-education.org.uk/FAQAboutDrugs/marijuan*a
Take away the * from MJ.
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Websites that says MJ is not harmful:[URL="http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/***.htm"]
http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/po*t.htm[/URL]
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuan*a/factsmyths/
http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/marijuan*a/facts/mj-health-mythology.html
Take away the * from MJ.
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If in a party, some of the people says the dips has food poison in it, while the other people says it does not. I don't think I will try and find out.

If some researchers says that MJ is harmful to your body, while some researchers says there isn't. I don't think I will take the benefit of the doubt.

As I have said. I already know the great benefits MJ does have for relieving various symptoms like chronic pain. But far too many people uses and abuses MJ with no medical condition, rather than using it for medical purposes.

[PantallicA]

A lot of you people are really, really ignorant.

I've been smoking grass every day for four years. Why? I tore both my ACL's playing football in high school and my resistance to codeine is too high to get any effect from a regular dose.

I smoke **** because it helps me calm my nerves at the end of a 17 hour shift at work.
I smoke **** because it makes life a little less serious. I can go to a movie with my friends and not have to think about going to work the next morning.
It's less expensive than alcohol.
I smoke **** because it helps me understand people more. I feel a deeper emotional connection with the people around me (whether they are smoking as well, or not).

You guys can say all you want about it. Same as xDBD, I've never read a study that says that tetrahydrocannabinol (that's THC's full chemical name) is harmful to the human body. I have, however, read and have PERSONALLY SEEN and EXPERIENCED the positive effects of *********.

I've never once tried to pressure someone into trying smoking, and I'm not going to start here. I smoke ****, because I need it. Am I addicted? Probably. But I'm not destroying or running my life with it. I live a perfectly good life. Probably better than yours.

[BrioCloud]

A lot of you people are really, really ignorant.

I've been smoking grass every day for four years. Why? I tore both my ACL's playing football in high school and my resistance to codeine is too high to get any effect from a regular dose.

As I have said in my post previous to yours. I already know the great benefits MJ does have for relieving various symptoms like chronic pain or like you and I have no problem with it. But far too many people uses and abuses MJ with no medical condition, rather than using it for medical purposes.

[Nethran]

I live a perfectly good life. Probably better than yours.

Lolz. That's a little egocentric-sounding.