are drugs too taboo for bzs?

[BrioCloud]

what difference does it make why people smoke ****? just because you may not be in dire medical need of it doesn't mean it's bad or something

I simply agreed how MJ is useful for people who uses it to alleviate symptoms associated with medical conditions and are justified in doing so. However it is still a harmful drug and shouldn't be taken if you have none of the medical symptoms that MJ can alleviate. Remember I stated that far too many people uses and abuses MJ with no medical condition, rather than using it for medical purposes.

Remember a few posts earlier I have found that there are too many contradicting sources. Some argues that MJ is harmful some not. If two teams of researchers have contradicting conclusions about the harmfulness of a substance. I don't think I will try it and take the benefit of the doubt. It boiled down to if we believe in the government funded research or not.

Source: Links in post #77.

[Determinado]

In the Netherlands the CAM (Coördinatiepunt Assessment en Monitoring) institute performed research on the risks of paddos (mushrooms).


Risks:
Physical addiction: None
Mental addiction: None, except that people like to experience it again
Risk of acute toxicity: Low; take the drug in a safe environment and without stress, most of the time people panic if under stress or they do'nt feel at ease
Risk of chronical toxicity: None

MJ seems to be more risky for mental addiction and short-term negative effects, although it also seems that if you have a bad trip with mushrooms, it's propably a very bad trip because you trip a triple lot! :p

[Nethran]

I question the validity of that study on the grounds that the Dutch are crazy.

[xDBD]

I question the validity of that study on the grounds that the Dutch are crazy.

the dutch doesn't pay labs to put out bullshit test results either, a'la the USA and the famous "MDMA puts scoop-sized holes in your dome"

[Nethran]

Who knows, they might. Like I says; they crazy. Maybe the government is pro-shrooms. I'd rather not spend the time it takes to look into it though.

[Ragnarhox]

The 'war on drugs' is (100%)bullshit. All drugs should be legalized(not 'just' due to personal preference.)

For anyone who stays 'drug' free: Chemicals are one thing that you cannot read (especially if its the internet) to fully understand the effects that they have. Any pro site will not mention the harmful side and any anti/gov extremely exaggerates/lies about their information.

@kaze: what is your view on legals drugs caffine, alcohol, nicotine, ect...?

[ominousferret11]

kellard i find your quips both ignorant and very condescending. by your logic just because the dutch are "crazy" for saying shrooms aren't as bad as we first thought... then maybe you should consider the research towards obesity and the genetics of such diseases done by the american government should be asinine becaues we are "crazy" for allowing mcdonalds to exist...

the majority of your arguments have the background of a 4-yearold... "because its illegal". here's this, did you know that alcohol was once illegal? did you konw that the government was saying the same things about alcohol back then that they are of p0t now? "Liquor is responsible for 19% of the divorces, 25% of the poverty, 25% of the insanity, 37% of the pauperism, 45% of child desertion, and 50% of the crime in this country," the League determined. "And this," it concluded , " is a very conservative estimate" (Odegard, 1928: 60).

That was said by the Anti-Saloon League, which was a supporter of the Prohibition Act and the National Prohibition Party. I got this quote from the following
druglibrary.org/schaffer/LIBRARY/studies/nc/nc2a.htm

[Determinado]

Nice quote

Anyways, I wouldn't say all drugs are harmless, it's just that good information is only scarcely available. The tv show 'Spuiten & Slikken' gave some good objective information, and it actually gets you somewhere. You know what's good about it and what's bad about it, but no such site is to be found on the internet.

They indeed either go for the 'all loss no gain' thing or also the 'all gain no loss' thing. It's just laziness of the government, you don't do sofisticated research and just ban it all together... In a controlled environment I think drugs can't do much harm, it's only dangerous in the illegal circuit, and that's just what they are doing right now.
If our drugs are manufactured by criminals, they become untrustworthy of course, but if commercial legal firms are producing them, we can actually have some quality labels attached to it to ensure the health and good dose.

[BrioCloud]

The 'war on drugs' is (100%)bullshit. All drugs should be legalized(not 'just' due to personal preference.)

For anyone who stays 'drug' free: Chemicals are one thing that you cannot read (especially if its the internet) to fully understand the effects that they have. Any pro site will not mention the harmful side and any anti/gov extremely exaggerates/lies about their information.

@kaze: what is your view on legals drugs caffine, alcohol, nicotine, ect...?

As I have stated. I fully believe if drugs are being used for medical symptoms it is completely fine. Drugs which has a reputation for ruining lives isn't a good thing. Personally if they did ruin their lives thats just more place for me to fit in society. However, I do sympathize for drug abusers who is fully addicted to drugs. I'm not arguing the legality of such drugs. Just the harmful effects.

[ominousferret11]

thats something i do agree with you on kaze. there is a big difference between use and abuse and i can't stand the people that abuse such drugs as MJ and LSD and what have you. i dont mind using MJ to unwind/see things from a different perspective/see the things in life you normally take for granted but the harder and more unstable drugs i'm not sure i am ok with

[Nethran]

ominous, you are incapable of taking things for anything but their literal meaning. Just because you can't see a poor joke when you read it doesn't give me the background of a 4-year-old. Oh, and my comments toward you were intended to be condescending. At least you caught that much. *is proud*

Yes, I do know about Prohibition. Yes, I do know that alcohol is often as bad as any other drug. Wanna know the difference between a beer and a joint, though? You can drink a responsible amount of alcohol without getting drunk. You can't smoke a joint without getting high. That goes into what you already believe in, which is constraint. Don't abuse. I drink without the intent of getting drunk, no one smokes mj without the intent of getting high.

[geves]

So now we have two idiots with green names, that don't know wtf they're talking about. Careful because I didn't drink anything...because I took one hit off of a blunt which mean according to moron #2 means I inhaled an entire joint/blunt/gun.

Obviously kellard, has never touched **** (once again people with no experience are telling us what is right or wrong, government is a shoe in position for you both). It's totally possible,(I've done it many times) to smoke *** without getting high, But DAMN when I do I love to blow up skyscrapers.

You two, both fail VERY hard on this subject.

/wrists. There's no other simple way to tell you, I've called you a moron (Kaze) countless times, yet you are hesitant...and you even bring someone just as unedjucated. It doesn't mean you're right to keep posting and refusing looking like a complete tard. It just makes you look like a bigger idiot. Now there're two idiots instead of one.

When will you two go away. How can I block you? Blind people, who know nothing other than what they've been taught in 7th grade, brain washing is stronger than i remember.

Protip: Green user names doesn't make people NOT retarded.

There's nothing to even argue about anymore, they're stupidity can be seen from all over. I'm done with these tards.

[Determinado]

Being drunk is a lot more dangerous than being high from MJ man oO

[Nethran]

I realize that, I was just making the point that drinking a single beer impairs you less than smoking a single joint. It's easier to exercize constraint with alcohol. And some forms of alcohol aren't inteded to get you drunk, like wine and champaign. That's why alcohol isn't illegal. People abuse it, true, but if **** was legal,, you know 90% of teenagers, still in school, would abuse the **** out of it. It's hard enough to keep alcohol away from them, but if **** was as available as it was then, I think the US as a whole you be in for rougher times than it is now, because schools would be a joke. We're not as good at limiting ourselves on things as the Canadians are.

It's totally possible,(I've done it many times) to smoke *** without getting high

Yeah, and who does that on purpose? No one smokes it because they like the taste.

and you even bring someone just as unedjucated.

Protip: Green user names doesn't make people NOT retarded.

There's nothing to even argue about anymore, they're stupidity can be seen from all over. I'm done with these tards.

Hard to talk with your foot in your mouth, isn't it? Learn to spell. It's "educated", "don't", not "doesn't" in that situation, and "their", not "they're".

Obviously kellard, has never touched ****

If you'd read my first post, you'd have seen me admit it. No, I have not smoked ****, but there are such an overwhelming number of people who do smoke **** that I have an inkling of what it's like. People talk, which is actually the reason this thread was created in the purpose.

Oh, and I said smoked a joint, not took a hit off of one. I understand that you might not get the biggest high off of a single hit.


Don't call me a moron when the big one's on your side of the monitor. Try not to call people stupid if you're not going to make yourself come across as intelligent.

[BrioCloud]

Geves please educate me on why MJ is not harmful. My sources and common sense seemed stated otherwise. Please attack the subject not me. Your attempt at disproving my theories by just discrediting me is a little cheap.

[erizoe]

I'm only going to do this because it's in the steam room, it's not like me to do this.


I've read most of this thread and most of it is crap. Kaze, you are an idiot, sorry to say but you are so full of yourself it's not funny. the other people on here defending your points aren't annoying, only you are, it's hard to not attack your person.

Geves please educate me on why MJ is not harmful. My sources and common sense seemed stated otherwise. Please attack the subject not me. Your attempt at disproving my theories by just discrediting me is a little cheap.

I read you said you were worried about your SATs and your volunteer work, let me tell you a bit about myself.
i've written enough short stories for the whole english department to know me.
I come int he top 5 in the mile run in gym every year and I do more than 80 hours over two months in spring for Special Olympics.
I work at a library making more than 9/10 kids i know. And I'm more than halfway through the CCNA, you're into computer so i know you know what that is.
I smoked almost evry single day before school last year, ate mushroms the whole 4th quarter, and last year I got highest honours every quarter.

So tell me, how am i bad? what does **** have to do with anything other than a lifestyle?

**** isn't unhealthy, people are stupid. And you are an ignorant and pompous clown for trying tell people they are wrong for something you know nothing about.l

[Nethran]

Well, erizoe, you're a minority. Most people can't hold those kind of habits without it taking a toll on their education. In general, you know them when you see them.

By the by, with shrooms, how did you first come into them?

[Determinado]

LOL erizoe, just coincidence xD

No man, JK, good job on all those things.
In Belgium there has been a massive increase in the use of cocaine by the higher layers of society, although I don't like that kind of talking about people (layers in society wtf?) everyone propably knows what I mean with this.
It's educated people, managers and people on top of organizations who mostly supply intelligence as their job.

Drugs has little to do with other things in your life, the truth however is that it's not accepted by those higher layers of society. Factory workers live their lives entirely different, they generally enjoy their life in a different way and young factory workers have more spare time than they used to have when going to school. (at least that's how it is for friends of me)

[Nethran]

Methamphetamine, Heroine, and Cocaine are three drugs that can end up kicking your ass. I do think that mj should stay illegal, and I know ho wmuch that makes a lot of you angry, but those three for sure. They ruin people.

[BrioCloud]

I'm only going to do this because it's in the steam room, it's not like me to do this.


I've read most of this thread and most of it is crap. Kaze, you are an idiot, sorry to say but you are so full of yourself it's not funny. the other people on here defending your points aren't annoying, only you are, it's hard to not attack your person.



I read you said you were worried about your SATs and your volunteer work, let me tell you a bit about myself.
i've written enough short stories for the whole english department to know me.
I come int he top 5 in the mile run in gym every year and I do more than 80 hours over two months in spring for Special Olympics.
I work at a library making more than 9/10 kids i know. And I'm more than halfway through the CCNA, you're into computer so i know you know what that is.
I smoked almost evry single day before school last year, ate mushroms the whole 4th quarter, and last year I got highest honours every quarter.

So tell me, how am i bad? what does **** have to do with anything other than a lifestyle?

**** isn't unhealthy, people are stupid. And you are an ignorant and pompous clown for trying tell people they are wrong for something you know nothing about.l

Thats very nice. I didn't say people who take drugs can't have a nice lifestyle. I said MJ has harmful effects to the body, and your body was less healthy than it was before you have taken MJ. It doesn't mean you become mentally retarded and look stoned all day. I never personally met a person who takes drugs habitually and have accomplished so much in their life as you have and I congradulate you. You may be an exception. However, not everyone is as lucky as you are when taking drugs. What about the testimonials of the videos that advocate a no tolerance on drugs? This girl was top honors student before she started smoking and now shes been really set back by MJ. I believe them as much as I believe you.