Im Christian, why arent you?

[Siris]

are you blind? islam was founded in the 7th centry AD.

You are trully and utterly a moron.

[Mathalamus]

no you are a moron for calling me a moron, im sure islam was founded in mecca byt prohet muhummad or something in the year 600 something, pity they didnt expand into europe beyond spain. all hail the eastern roman empire

[wazzacky]

so u have support for millions of deaths that christianity is responisble for?

[Mathalamus]

what millions of deaths? nazi germany wasnt christian.

[Siris]

no you are a moron for calling me a moron, im sure islam was founded in mecca byt prohet muhummad or something in the year 600 something, pity they didnt expand into europe beyond spain. all hail the eastern roman empire

You just proved my point. Yes, I know it was in the 7th century, but it has nothing to do with the translation of the bible.
Also, I would not put my lot with the romans.

[Mathalamus]

they saved europe from muslim expansion abotu 700 years earlier than they did

[wazzacky]

what millions of deaths? nazi germany wasnt christian.

lets see

the 12 or so crusades
the spreading of christianity in India
the spreading of christianity in south america, north america.. etc etc

[Mathalamus]

the cursades didnt kill many people they just liberated the holy lands or in the cause of the fourth one deposed toe byzantium empire. christianity didnt spread in india, north amwerica went perfectly, south america too.

[wazzacky]

the cursades didnt kill many people they just liberated the holy lands or in the cause of the fourth one deposed toe byzantium empire. christianity didnt spread in india, north amwerica went perfectly, south america too.

Where did u get that information!? perfectly u say? nothing about the desimation of the aztec and inca population ? Same with the native americans?

also i just did some research, there actually isin't an aproximation of the number of deaths during the crusades but there are estimations between 1 and 9....million
also this is my last post i don't wana argue anymore

[Mathalamus]

these so called empires sucked so bad they fell first thing.

[Nethran]

They didn't suck. They were technologically underdeveloped in comparison to the Europeans. They were superpowers in the Americas. They also had no defense against disease. Another thing: Wasn't the black plague somehow a result of the Crusades? I'm probably wrong, but I thought I heard that somewhere. Something about using decaying bodies as catapult ammunition.

[Mathalamus]

the black plauge changed so many things nethran. it sped up advancement. sort of. the plauge at large ended about the 19th centry as a virulent form. it struck in the 14th centry.

[[/sarcasm]]

I'm not a Christian because, excluding all other reasons (and I have many), because I don't believe in God.

I don't believe in God because when the universe does something that I can't explain, I admit that I can't explain it instead of chalking it up to some mystical, omniscient, and omnipotent God with a plan.

I hate filters.

[Nethran]

When the universe does things we can't explain, there is often a scientific and/or logical explanation. No person of intelligence, religeous or not, would tell you otherwise. Just because a person is Christian, or Jewish, or Islamic, or Hindu, or Buddhist... It doesn't mean that they're morons and think that every unexplainable phenomenon is a miracle of their respective god. To think such a thing is small minded.

[Mathalamus]

things dont spontantously combust, espically with near infininate energy (the big bang) so unless some advanced civilization blew the propulsion tech or LHC crap, id say its God.

[Nethran]

He's got a point there. There was a definitive starting point for the universe. Time is infinite, as far as we know. How long was the matter that was part of the big bang sitting there before it exploded outwerd? Since you have to assume it was a *very* long time, what was the catalyst? Logically, the probability that the catalyst was itself is very low. What else could it have been? No one knows for sure, but God is just as likely as anything else anyone can throw out there.

I spelt outwerd wrong on purpose.

[Mathalamus]

some people think that God farted, and they think that started he big bang.

[wazzacky]

He's got a point there. There was a definitive starting point for the universe. Time is infinite, as far as we know. How long was the matter that was part of the big bang sitting there before it exploded outwerd? Since you have to assume it was a *very* long time, what was the catalyst? Logically, the probability that the catalyst was itself is very low. What else could it have been? No one knows for sure, but God is just as likely as anything else anyone can throw out there.

I spelt outwerd wrong on purpose.

Incorrect, sorry i said i wouldn't post , but when i read this i had to rectify the information. *pulls out stephen hawking's latest book*.. ....ugh, i can't find the qoute. But time is definitly finite in our universe. The reason for this is because of the bigbang. The bigband started time for us. Anything before the bigbang has no relevance to us. And so that means time had a beggining. Thusly time has an end...now if i can just find that qoute to make this mroe sensible. Oh i found another qoute that says

"As one follows our past light cone back still further.....the cross section of the light cone will shrink to zero size in a finite time. This means that all the matter inside our past light cone is trapped in a region whose boundary shrinks to zero. It is therefor not suprising that Penrose and I (Stephen Hawking) culd prove that in the mathematical model of general relativity, time must have a beginning in what is called the big band. Similarly arguments show that time would have an end, when stars r galaxies collapse under their own gravity to form black holes."

For people that either don't share enthusiasm for physics or just don't know much about this type of stuff. What it all refers to is how time is intertwined with space. And light has alot to do with that time. If you look at the stars. Think about it, your looking back into time at what the stars looked like in the past. They could be gone now by super nova but you wouldn't know about it till billions of years later. And so...yes time has a beggining and why it has an end is because black holes are so powerful, their gravity so immense that everything near (even light) cannot escape. It is all sucked into infinite density but not mass (i think). Thats why their are arguments of time stopping, if i can find that qoute ill post it

[Nethran]

I doubt a black hole can get that big. We have a supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, as do all galaxies, and it doesn't grow anymore.

Also, from the quote I read and your statement, it seems like he's just talking about time relative to us. Relative to the existence of the universe as we know it. Either that or he's saying that existence of matter just happened. Which, again, would bring us back to how anyway.

Those are the kinds of things that people chalk up to God. There's always the question of how God came into existence, though. That doesn't have an answer, but it makes answering the other easier. And the easy answer is often the right one.

[wazzacky]

I doubt a black hole can get that big. We have a supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, as do all galaxies, and it doesn't grow anymore.

Also, from the quote I read and your statement, it seems like he's just talking about time relative to us. Relative to the existence of the universe as we know it. Either that or he's saying that existence of matter just happened. Which, again, would bring us back to how anyway.

Those are the kinds of things that people chalk up to God. There's always the question of how God came into existence, though. That doesn't have an answer, but it makes answering the other easier. And the easy answer is often the right one.

About the first sentence. i don't understand. What do u mean by blackholes getting that big? Are u talking about how they can even bend light back into themselves? All blackholes do that. Thats why we can't directly observe them.