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10-01-2008, 07:13 AM
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It's time for some political bashing. McCain or Obama? Let's here some opinions!
Added poll; hope the categories are acceptable. Also note the "will/would," as you can answer even if you are not of age to actually vote for the upcoming election. Have fun! ~jedi
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obama, tthe blacks have to have some representation. also hes good
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McCain!!!
Way better then Obama.
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you have opened pandora's box...
you should have made this a poll too,
anyhow im voting for obama
although i respect mccain alot.
it would be interesting if both of them were on the same ticket
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I already made a thread for this in Current Events...
Anyway, McCain because he's running on more than hope and he can give an answer and not have to go back on it the next day when he finds out he's wrong. Also, he has experience in government and his ideas for the economy actually make sense.
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Obama. He's willing to admit he's wrong and revise his policies (McCain has a tendency to completely ignore the fact that he ever supported something if it turns out to be wrong), treat his fellow presidential candidate like a human being and an equal (if the expression McCain wore throughout the entire debate was any measure, he seems to think that Obama is some sort of scum not even worthy of eye contact or a handshake), and NOT act like every single other politician we've had in recent memory. He seems to stay true to his core values, even if the details change - the same can't be said for McCain, who was first against waterboarding then against it, was first against tax cuts for the top 2% of the nations wealthiest populace (despite the "trickle down" effect that it's supposed to cause) then for it, etc. Core things to McCain's Presidential platform seem to change... and unlike Obama, who admits and explains his changes of heart, McCain just goes on like his first stance on an issue never happened.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not exactly impressed with Obama's foreign policy ideas, or his economic plans, or anything else really (not unimpressed, but deffinitely not impressed - they seem pretty generic) - but I'll be voting for him on the grounds that he displays a lot more dignity and integrity than McCain does. Not to mention that voting for McCain very well might entail voting for Palin (and that's a scary thought - you wanna talk about Obama's inexperience? Try Mrs. "I can see Russia from my house!"), and that's not a risk I want to take. Plus, McCain has, as of late, turned into almost a carbon copy of Bush as far as policies go, and the Bush policies were absolutely disastrous. I used to respect McCain for being a different brand of Republican... and then he transformed into more of the same.
I may not be thrilled by Obama, but at least he's willing to do his own thing, and be honest about it. Right now, a trustworthy President is exactly what this country needs.
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I'm not American, so could someone very briefly outline the main differences between the 2?
From everything I've seen in the papers etc., the media are very very Obama-friendly....
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pepereina1 Wrote:I'm not American, so could someone very briefly outline the main differences between the 2?
From everything I've seen in the papers etc., the media are very very Obama-friendly....
They're largely stock standard representations of their respective parties. Democrats are like a combo of Fianna Fáil/Labour Party/Green Party (center-left, essentially), whereas Republicans are closest to Fine Gael (center-right, strong Christian focus). Not exactly the best description, but American politics are a lot more... uh... simplistic, I guess, than European politics. No coalition governments, two parties that are more similar than they admit yet techincally represent polar opposites of each other.
The candidates, for their part, are just like their parties - Obama's center-left (advocates stronger economic regulations, secularism, a start towards universal healthcare, etc.), and McCain's... well, actually, nowadays, McCain is more right than center-right. His campaign has transformed throughout the whole process. Anyway, he's a proponent of less regulation on the market, nationalism, stronger role of faith in the country, stronger national security (at the possible risk of loss of personal freedoms), etc.
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I'm not voting. On top of being sick of the 2-party government the United States has, I think that both candidates are all talk. I don't like either and so neither will get my vote. I'd vote Nader if it did any good; but alas voting for Nader is like riding a bike without wheels.
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@ Magister Mundi: Thank you for that, that actually cleared it up wonderfully 
I've never really got American politics...
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pepereina1 Wrote:@ Magister Mundi: Thank you for that, that actually cleared it up wonderfully
I've never really got American politics...
Neither have I, lol. Our entire system is really messed up.
Nethran Wrote:I'm not voting. On top of being sick of the 2-party government the United States has, I think that both candidates are all talk. I don't like either and so neither will get my vote. I'd vote Nader if it did any good; but alas voting for Nader is like riding a bike without wheels.
Yeah... bipartisanship is really destroying our political process. If only a third party had even a remote possibility...
And voting Nadar is, unfortunately, only a few steps above voting for Pedro - and is considerably less awesome. confused:
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the choice of palin pretty much sealed for me. it's real ignorance when you pick a vp candidate for the sole reason of gender, expecting women to have no actual thought process when it comes to issues
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Magister Mundi Wrote:Obama. He's willing to admit he's wrong and revise his policies (McCain has a tendency to completely ignore the fact that he ever supported something if it turns out to be wrong), treat his fellow presidential candidate like a human being and an equal (if the expression McCain wore throughout the entire debate was any measure, he seems to think that Obama is some sort of scum not even worthy of eye contact or a handshake), and NOT act like every single other politician we've had in recent memory. He seems to stay true to his core values, even if the details change - the same can't be said for McCain, who was first against waterboarding then against it, was first against tax cuts for the top 2% of the nations wealthiest populace (despite the "trickle down" effect that it's supposed to cause) then for it, etc. Core things to McCain's Presidential platform seem to change... and unlike Obama, who admits and explains his changes of heart, McCain just goes on like his first stance on an issue never happened.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not exactly impressed with Obama's foreign policy ideas, or his economic plans, or anything else really (not unimpressed, but deffinitely not impressed - they seem pretty generic) - but I'll be voting for him on the grounds that he displays a lot more dignity and integrity than McCain does. Not to mention that voting for McCain very well might entail voting for Palin (and that's a scary thought - you wanna talk about Obama's inexperience? Try Mrs. "I can see Russia from my house!"), and that's not a risk I want to take. Plus, McCain has, as of late, turned into almost a carbon copy of Bush as far as policies go, and the Bush policies were absolutely disastrous. I used to respect McCain for being a different brand of Republican... and then he transformed into more of the same.
I may not be thrilled by Obama, but at least he's willing to do his own thing, and be honest about it. Right now, a trustworthy President is exactly what this country needs.
Obama hasn't stayed true to his core values? What happened to completely ending the war in 18 months...then within his first term. Now all he's promising is a reduction of troops. Also, he wont admit when he's wrong. Example? At the debate he tried to claim he'd do what he believes Kisginer would do and McCain disagreed and went into detail while Obama just studdered and said "Nobody's saying that" when it's exactly what he's been saying (Referring to his willingness to meet the president of Iran with no preconditions).
McCain has stuck to his core values, even if I don't agree with them completely, and that's why he's a respectable candidate. As for his positions on the tax cuts and water boarding these changes happened as circumstances changed. This is called rethinking your opninion and generating a new one...Obama's changes seem to come over night.
As for the taxes...do you really think that taxing businesses and the oil companies is going to help people? You think prices are bad now? When you take more money from them they're just going to take more from us to balance it out. With all the lay-offs that have been happening and so many people taking on multiple jobs now we can't afford to make our businesses less profitable. Where is the sense in raising taxes right now?
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McCain.
Obama's Socialized health care will cost the American people trillions a year and the redistribution of wealth Obama plans by taxing large corporation and businesses will only serve to increase the cost of living across the board. Essentially socialist and marxist views. None of which America has ever stood for.
McCain supports the Bush tax cuts, which have worked and one only needs to look at the record breaking figures the IRS has been taking in to see that, and his foreign policies stack up well for the kind of world we live in today. He also brings experience and wisdom to the White House along with a breath of fresh air with Palin, although I think he could have picked a far superior running mate than Palin.
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Presidents that have died/been assassinated in office (off the top of my head, I might be missing some): William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, FDR, JFK.
Speaking of inexperience, hypothetically, should America be nervous if Palin was to assume the presidency due to John McCain's sudden death? McCain is older, and although the president of America probably has the best healthcare in the world, there's a true chance of him dying in office. I believe Palin assuming the presidency would be disastrous for America. The debate tonight will reinforce the Biden>Palin
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Looks like Palin showed Biden what for, lol. The more time goes on, the more competant she will appear. She probably has teams of people helping her out and briefing her on things. It's gonna be a close one, methinks. Like the past 2.
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Not voting cause I'm Canadian. But if i were American and able to vote I would totally choose fuggle
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hellsing293 Wrote:Presidents that have died/been assassinated in office (off the top of my head, I might be missing some): William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, FDR, JFK.
Speaking of inexperience, hypothetically, should America be nervous if Palin was to assume the presidency due to John McCain's sudden death? McCain is older, and although the president of America probably has the best healthcare in the world, there's a true chance of him dying in office. I believe Palin assuming the presidency would be disastrous for America. The debate tonight will reinforce the Biden>Palin
Palin has more experience than Obama. ZING.
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SpoonMan999 Wrote:Palin has more experience than Obama. ZING.
i wish i could see russia from my house, then i'd be eligible for vice president too
sorry but being a mayor of a small town and being the governor of alaska for less than 2 years doesn't really strike me as the qualifying experience that the vice presidental office requires
also could comment on no law experience (b.a in journalism) but that's another thing
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