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laMe Wrote:Ok, I'll some it up to y'all
Diebold Election Systems is the top provider for election systems, these electronic touch screens are the used by about 30% of the voter's in the US election and they are 50% of the
total Electronic voting systems used for voting, so they count for about 15% of america's vote.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/2...2436.shtml
Diebold's CEO Walden “Wally” O’Dell is a straight out republican, he owns Diebold and is one of the most pro-republican's out there
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
So let's make sure we are hearing this correctly, Diebold's, the company that accounts to AT least 15% of america's votes in this election is owned by a Republican that OPENLY admited to getting electroal votes from ohio to the president, let's do some math shall we?
First off we need to find the total amount of people that voted in the 2004 election. 59,459,765 people voted for bush and 55,949,407 people voted for kerry, so now let's add that up, and it comes to a total some of 115,409,172, 115 1/2 million people voting in 2004's election, so now let's find out how many of those people voted using Diebold's E-Voting System's, and it comes to 7,693,945 7.7 million people that used Diebold's E-Voting Systems. So let's hypothetically say Walden “Wally” O’Dell got the bright idea to change half of those votes to republicans, let's see who the new preisdent would be if he didnt change them, so bush would get - 3846972 because that's half of the amount of people that used Diebold's machines, so bush's total votes would be 55612793, and kerry's total votes would be 59796379, America we have a new president!, even if Diebold's CEO Walden “Wally” O’Del just changed 2 million votes kerry would have won? dosnt this seem A LITTLE fishy?
now don't say that place is liberal or any shit because ive gather information from multiply websites, and if you find a way to prove me wrong tell me please 
still noone has said nething abbuot this tjhing?
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I kno this wont prove anything but here is a I.Q. sheet of each voting state and is its true then http://data.4channel.org/p/src/1099749607089.png OMG
and b4 u ***** at me read the bottem
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macro_one Wrote:I kno this wont prove anything but here is a I.Q. sheet of each voting state and is its true then http://data.4channel.org/p/src/1099749607089.png OMG
and b4 u ***** at me read the bottem
I find that very funny, yet very true at the same time. People out in the midwest are so close-minded (I would know, I've been out there MANY times.)
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macro_one Wrote:I kno this wont prove anything but here is a I.Q. sheet of each voting state and is its true then http://data.4channel.org/p/src/1099749607089.png OMG
and b4 u ***** at me read the bottem i did read the bottom, and it is wrong.....i have lived in both texas, and WV(Where i currently live), and i doubt that the average WV IQ is higher then that of texas....do some research and read some test scores(of schools.......this is being directed to the people who came up with the "average iq's")
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I myself wanted Kerry to win, but Bush was far from cheating. People have constantly said that Bush could have easily prevented 9/11 and etc. Can you say bull for me? Those attacks could have happened no matter what president.. Who was to suspect that terrorists were planing such a plot. Also, most people often choose to vote for somebody who they feel secure with. When you really think about it, how many bad things actually happened while Bush was in term? With Kerry, none of us know what could happen regardless of what he says. We've alrdy seen the worst of Bush, and his previous term was not as bad as people say.
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mpeck Wrote:i did read the bottom, and it is wrong.....i have lived in both texas, and WV(Where i currently live), and i doubt that the average WV IQ is higher then that of texas....do some research and read some test scores(of schools.......this is being directed to the people who came up with the "average iq's")
First of all, what is WV?
Secondly, school scores don't reflect IQ's. There are many people who HATE school and they do bad on purpose. There are other schools, like mine, here in California, where the budget cuts on schools has been so bad, that the learning experience really sucks, so there is no motive to do well at all. Getting a 4.0 GPA at my school is like getting a 3.0 GPA at a decent school somewhere else. So remember this, test scores don't reflect IQ's.
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'The republicans did nothing but ***** at the democrats during the Clinton years; all 8 years he was in office, nothing but *****ing. They looked for every excuse possible to get him out of office.'
What are you doing right now, genious?
An economy is like a large aircraft. It takes a little while to turn it around. It also has a cycle. It goes something like this. Poor -> Good -> Very Good -> Going downhill -> Not good -> then back to poor. President Bush took office at late Very Good. Things started going downhill. I'm not saying that is the fault of the Clinton administration, that's just how things work. And those statistics are legitamate. What did your mother do?
By the way... One of the reasons Republicans wanted Clinton out of office is that he slept with another Monica. Most of us don't like having an adulterer in office.
Do we still have troops in Afghanistan? Yeeees...
Lame - CBS is totally biased. Memogate ring any bells? They'll say/do anything to trash Bush.
WV = West Virginia
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you make a good point nubli, also, people who are very intelligent can also do very badly in school, since some intelligent people are lazy, making that information completely useless
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maistyle2k Wrote:I myself wanted Kerry to win, but Bush was far from cheating. People have constantly said that Bush could have easily prevented 9/11 and etc. Can you say bull for me? Those attacks could have happened no matter what president.. Who was to suspect that terrorists were planing such a plot. Also, most people often choose to vote for somebody who they feel secure with. When you really think about it, how many bad things actually happened while Bush was in term? With Kerry, none of us know what could happen regardless of what he says. We've alrdy seen the worst of Bush, and his previous term was not as bad as people say.
Thank you.
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maistyle2k Wrote:I myself wanted Kerry to win, but Bush was far from cheating. People have constantly said that Bush could have easily prevented 9/11 and etc. Can you say bull for me? Those attacks could have happened no matter what president.. Who was to suspect that terrorists were planing such a plot. Also, most people often choose to vote for somebody who they feel secure with. When you really think about it, how many bad things actually happened while Bush was in term? With Kerry, none of us know what could happen regardless of what he says. We've alrdy seen the worst of Bush, and his previous term was not as bad as people say. Those attacks COULD have been more prepared for, and maybe even prevented. Bush was approached many times with a folder of intelligence papers with the title "Osama Bin Laden plans to attack the US by plane" -- so what did Bush do? He didn't do anything, he was on vacation because his ratings pre 9/11 were extremely bad. So not only was Bush playing into Osama's little game by going to the middle east, it also gave Bush the "big-break" he needed to go and get rid of Saddam, which his daddy (Bush Sr.) failed to do. Now most Americans like war. They like to hear it, watch it, but never be in it. So many americans thought Bush was doing a good job because he went to war and was supposedly "handling" things correctly. So if he has so many plans for the middle east, what does that leave for our country? NOTHING AT ALL! All he does is make tax cuts for the rich and/or semi-rich, while the lower/mid-lower class families struggle to pay bills. Bush doesn't seem to get that this country needs a stable tax system. Taxation is what makes the government go and everything move in a continuous circle. Without taxes, budgets are cut, prices for materials goes up, wages go DOWN to save companies money, bills go up, therefore the working class has a hard time paying for this.
I have experienced this firsthand.
medicine_man Wrote:'The republicans did nothing but ***** at the democrats during the Clinton years; all 8 years he was in office, nothing but *****ing. They looked for every excuse possible to get him out of office.'
What are you doing right now, genious?
An economy is like a large aircraft. It takes a little while to turn it around. It also has a cycle. It goes something like this. Poor -> Good -> Very Good -> Going downhill -> Not good -> then back to poor. President Bush took office at late Very Good. Things started going downhill. I'm not saying that is the fault of the Clinton administration, that's just how things work. And those statistics are legitamate. What did your mother do?
By the way... One of the reasons Republicans wanted Clinton out of office is that he slept with another Monica. Most of us don't like having an adulterer in office.
Do we still have troops in Afghanistan? Yeeees...
Lame - CBS is totally biased. Memogate ring any bells? They'll say/do anything to trash Bush.
WV = West Virginia What I meant was that Republicans were trying their hardest to get any information of the slightest mistake, and inflate it to something horrible that people would want to boot Clinton for.
Sleeping with another woman is HIS business, not ours. It was a bad mistake, yes. The republicans got what they wanted though. For the first 3 years of Clintons 2nd term he couldnt get ANYTHING passed. Then people took their heads out of their butts and realized what was going on on the other side of the planet.
As for troops in Afghanistan, there are more police officers in New York City than there are in Afghanistan. That shows how little of an effort Bush puts in his "war on terrorism."
To maistyle2k - I hope we have seen the worst of Bush. I really don't want to move away.
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silver_ice1212 Wrote:you make a good point nubli, also, people who are very intelligent can also do very badly in school, since some intelligent people are lazy, making that information completely useless that is true.......i myself have a 2.8 GPA, because i dont do sh!t, but last year, when i acually did my work, i had a 3.7 GPA........and i absolutly HATE school, but the last test i took i got distinguished in both math and science, just because you hate school doesnt mean you do bad on tests
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UPDATE:
It turns out that the Florida votes were hacked also. The only reason we don't see it is because nothing much was changed to the large and watched counties. But supposedly, the smaller counties, which not many people pay attention to, were severly reversed.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
Now before people start yelling that it's a liberal site, just read the damn article and what it has to give in information + links to other sites.
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Anything a President does is our business. If you think you can take a position of authority like that and think the public doesn't know what you do and what you don't and your life, you are sadly mistaken.
'That shows how little of an effort Bush puts in his "war on terrorism."'
Do you agree that Iraq harbors terrorists? Iraq is also a terrorism hotbed, remember that.
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oh well.....its too late now, besides....who says bush cheated.....it could have been a few hackers that liked bush better then kerry, just because bush won, and hackers were involved doesnt mean bush had anything to do with it
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Why does a website titled "COMMONDREAMS" have such credibility. Let's interpret the title " Common Dreams" This means girls and guys, that people with the same beliefs post on it. Well doesn't that just make us dandy, only Democrats on the website. There is no bias whatsoever in what you read on that site. And it's .org, my dear lord, thats actually gains just a much respect as a bad .com. Listen Nubli, you say that people out West are so closed-minded, this and that, but you don't even take the time to look at yourself and what your saying. You won't even accept a smidgen of what the opposition to your stories have to say. That's a characteristic of close-mindedness. As for this conspiracy, you can complain about it all you'd like, but I'm telling you right here and now, this is tabloid information, not even worthy of making it to the bigtime news channels, most of which are liberal. You are preaching to a small choir of people on this site, some easily influenced, and others who know better. I am majoring in "Political Science", and I deal with many different viewpoints and personalities everyday. But of all the Liberal Democrats that I argue with, none support this conspiracy theory. You'd have to go beyond liberal...almost quasi-Socialist.
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um nubli not to put you down the reason we dont have many troops there is because we have the enitre nato there an we dont have to have that many troops in afgan see it was a common goal to root out terroism in afgan not in iraq thats why we have so many troops in iraq and not in afgan
< yay blood thirsty imp i have achived another goal
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medicine_man Wrote:Anything a President does is our business. If you think you can take a position of authority like that and think the public doesn't know what you do and what you don't and your life, you are sadly mistaken.
'That shows how little of an effort Bush puts in his "war on terrorism."'
Do you agree that Iraq harbors terrorists? Iraq is also a terrorism hotbed, remember that.
We don't have any right to know what goes on with the presidents sex life.
As for Iraq, it wasn't harboring anti-US terrorists before 9/11. Then, in March 2003, when we started invading, terrorists organizations came from all around the other countries to have their chance to kill a US soldier. Remember, terrorists think dying for what they do means instant passage into heaven (or whatever they believe in.) So risking their lives to kill a US soldier is great for them.
Now read the new link I just posted.
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look at it this way......we went into iraq and removed suddam(or however you spell his name) so he wouldnt cause us any more trouble in the future
nubli Wrote:Remember, terrorists think dying for what they do means instant passage into heaven (or whatever they believe in.) So risking their lives to kill a US soldier is great for them. close....terrorists believe dying for what they do will cause them to go to heaven and be surrounded by like 92 virgins or something like that(cant remember the number, but its a good bit)
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TroGdoR Wrote:Why does a website titled "COMMONDREAMS" have such credibility. Let's interpret the title " Common Dreams" This means girls and guys, that people with the same beliefs post on it. Well doesn't that just make us dandy, only Democrats on the website. There is no bias whatsoever in what you read on that site. And it's .org, my dear lord, thats actually gains just a much respect as a bad .com. Listen Nubli, you say that people out West are so closed-minded, this and that, but you don't even take the time to look at yourself and what your saying. You won't even accept a smidgen of what the opposition to your stories have to say. That's a characteristic of close-mindedness. As for this conspiracy, you can complain about it all you'd like, but I'm telling you right here and now, this is tabloid information, not even worthy of making it to the bigtime news channels, most of which are liberal. You are preaching to a small choir of people on this site, some easily influenced, and others who know better. I am majoring in "Political Science", and I deal with many different viewpoints and personalities everyday. But of all the Liberal Democrats that I argue with, none support this conspiracy theory. You'd have to go beyond liberal...almost quasi-Socialist.
Way to attack the website. That's completely another topic.
Now, back to the theory of closed minded-ness. People in the mid-west ARE close minded, but most, if not all, don't realize it because it's part of their everyday life, it's how they think. Living in a very complex cultural area, people tend to think much differently than in one straight path, and all else is wrong.
Now if you have read the article doesn't it seem pretty strange that all the figures were somehow switched? Explain that.
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I'll explain to you that Exit polls are complete crap. They can be completely misleading, take Exit polls in democratic counties and say that the Party has a good chance of winning the state, skip the Republican counties, and all you see are numbers favoring Kerry. But to depend on those numbers and polls before the actual election can lead to much disappointment. It all comes down to going to the machines and flipping the switches. So when you see these numbers, think again next time.
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