Gay rights

[Zak]

I am against gay marriage. People choose to be gay, i think thats a fact but im not completely sure. Not to get off the subject but God intended for man to be with a women. I think with todays sosciety Gay's are one day going to become a race in it self. Then the human race will die out because gays wont be able to reproduce and then we will all die. lol..... ^^!!

~PeAcE!!!!!1111oneoneoneone

[TroGdoR]

Those values are from a time far removed from the one we now live in. Its safe to say that while yes our founding fathers did a fine job in laying the ground work for our nation its rediculous for us, as a country, to continue to try and up hold the law according to religous standards. Towns are no longer built with a church in the town center. People are no longer hung, burned at the stake or otherwise killed because people think they are witches. Divorce is no longer seen as sinful, heck most churches will even give you an anullment. Now most people who get married are more likely to divorce their spouse and remarry then they are to die still married to their first husband and/or wife.

The bottom line is that was then this is now. In order to move forward as people we need to finally draw a bold line in the sand dividing the church from the state. If we continue to make and pass laws that are wholey(SP?) tainted by some religous virture we are doomed to come full circle to a time akin to that of the puritains.

First of all, the Salem witch trials were few in numbers. So don't use that as an attack against religion. But now on to the real discussion, I'd like to see you create this completely secular nation. A nation where the government runs with no moral standards. You are blind to your own words. What you are preaching is very very dangerous for any nation. I've already mentioned the only secular nations in the past. What makes our Democratic system so great is that some religious values were meshed in with it. Take those out and you have a scientific experiment based on laws and rules without a moral code. Watch how your fellow leaders will then be able to take these standards and use them to eliminate the threats to society. Gosh, would it hurt anyone to read Orwell a little more closely!??!? :p :wacky:

[BlindMansTicket]

I am against gay marriage. People choose to be gay, i think thats a fact but im not completely sure. Not to get off the subject but God intended for man to be with a women. I think with todays sosciety Gay's are one day going to become a race in it self. Then the human race will die out because gays wont be able to reproduce and then we will all die. lol..... ^^!!

~PeAcE!!!!!1111oneoneoneone

First off, people are born that way, they don't choose to be. Secondly, not everyone believes in a god, and therefore, his unproven existence shouldn't be brought into the arguement.

"Then the human race will die out because gays wont be able to reproduce and then we will all die."

Not everyone is gay. And I highly doubt the human race would perish just because 10% of the world population is gay. There is still the 90%. Also, that was the most ignorant thing I have ever read, Ever.

With people like you, it's no wonder we don't bother curing cancer.

[Obfuscate]

First of all, the Salem witch trials were few in numbers. So don't use that as an attack against religion. But now on to the real discussion, I'd like to see you create this completely secular nation. A nation where the government runs with no moral standards. You are blind to your own words. What you are preaching is very very dangerous for any nation. I've already mentioned the only secular nations in the past. What makes our Democratic system so great is that some religious values were meshed in with it. Take those out and you have a scientific experiment based on laws and rules without a moral code. Watch how your fellow leaders will then be able to take these standards and use them to eliminate the threats to society. Gosh, would it hurt anyone to read Orwell a little more closely!??!? :p :wacky:

*sighs*Okay lunch first then you. I never mentioned the Salem witch trials. I noted the Puritan's(SP?) and not any specific time period relating to their history.

What I'm preaching is that the goverment should stop running to the nearest bible when they make a law. I'm getting tired of hearing people preaching against a law because "its not what God wants" or "its not moral". I dont remember reading anywhere in the bible where God said "...and thou shall tax thy people" or "....and thou shall created social security so the old do not have to work". So should we eliminate taxes and social security because God never said we should do that or that it is "moral"? Bah! Running to religon in order to determin what laws should pass and not pass is boulderdash. A persons morals are determined by who and what raised them not by God coming down and choosing which person to bless with which morals. Each individual person has their own set of moral guidelines which they adhere to. Logic and reason should guide what laws are passed not what a bunch of chauvinistict men cooked up a couple of centuries ago.

[PantallicA]

I am against gay marriage. People choose to be gay, i think thats a fact but im not completely sure. Not to get off the subject but God intended for man to be with a women. I think with todays sosciety Gay's are one day going to become a race in it self. Then the human race will die out because gays wont be able to reproduce and then we will all die. lol..... ^^!!

~PeAcE!!!!!1111oneoneoneone

1. Who says God is real?
2. Never heard of a sperm bank, I see.

[TroGdoR]

*sighs*Okay lunch first then you. I never mentioned the Salem witch trials. I noted the Puritan's(SP?) and not any specific time period relating to their history.

What I'm preaching is that the goverment should stop running to the nearest bible when they make a law. I'm getting tired of hearing people preaching against a law because "its not what God wants" or "its not moral". I dont remember reading anywhere in the bible where God said "...and thou shall tax thy people" or "....and thou shall created social security so the old do not have to work". So should we eliminate taxes and social security because God never said we should do that or that it is "moral"? Bah! Running to religon in order to determin what laws should pass and not pass is boulderdash. A persons morals are determined by who and what raised them not by God coming down and choosing which person to bless with which morals. Each individual person has their own set of moral guidelines which they adhere to. Logic and reason should guide what laws are passed not what a bunch of chauvinistict men cooked up a couple of centuries ago.

These seen "chauvinistic" men are the reason you're able to sit your butt at your computer and preach to your choir. They deserve more respect than that brother. They are the reason our country is the way it is. Them, the soldiers who fight to protect it, and those same politicians who followed them. Religion deserves to stay, not for taxes and social security (WHICH IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH) but to protect the lives of our citizens from those looking to purify society. That is bad, tisk tisk SInner!

[Silver Ice]

i think gays should be allowed to marry. i mean gays are people too, i just wouldnt want to see them fornicating in public, which is probly likewise what gays think about straight people. on the other hand. the priests should decide whether or not they want to marry gays or if its against their beliefs or for some other reason.

[Tool]

to protect the lives of our citizens from those looking to purify society.

Are you saying that society is unpure because gays exist?

And B!tch, dun wanna seem like an *** an all, but are you saying you're gay? =o

Don't care about gays hitting on me, flatters me really. l0l A girl I know from school says she knows a gay freshman from some school, says he's an alright guy. Dun care. To hell with the government for being hypocrites.

[Foog]

1. Who says God is real?
2. Never heard of a sperm bank, I see.

OWNED.
and yes, b!tch inferred homosexuality, unless i read that wrong.
and since i'm roman catholic, i'm obliged to stand against gay marriage, as it's not what God intended in the Bible, since he intended for procreation, i.e. man and woman.

[Aemaeth]

Yeah, Im one of the few homosexuals who doesn't want to marry, However, I do want the right of union, I mean, Why cant i look after my partner, why cant i share a home with him? I understand aswell that is it not part of the religion, so i can see why you say no, But, this is Gay rights Which on the whole, has naught to do with christianity. Its about being treated Equaly.

[SpoonMan999]

People are no longer hung, burned at the stake or otherwise killed because people think they are witches.

You did mention it see ^
Also how many laws are actually decided based on religion? How many people have protested wtih the Bible in mind against a law? I believe this is the first time.

and since i'm roman catholic, i'm obliged to stand against gay marriage, as it's not what God intended in the Bible, since he intended for procreation, i.e. man and woman.

All I have to say to this is try thinking for yourself pal.

Are you saying that society is unpure because gays exist?

No he's talking about terrorists and such that would "purify" society by killing us all I believe. Could be wrong though.

[Venom]

government MUST be seprate from religon since it may reach a point were it becomes the government
(again...) they should just have a vote on it and get it done with and if it is banned guess where they all go Canada since its leagal in some area but im not up to date on this problem
still... so what if there gay or strait if god intened it just to be a man and a woman then why isn't it that way the bilble wasn't even writen when jesus was alive much less in the same time frame ,untill it was writen it was twisted from people's tales to the point were the whole bible could be a lie

[El Matt]

Gay marriage is fine. I'm not going to be a bastard, and peer into other people's lives. What other people do is not any of my/the government's concern, and people should stop meddling in other people's affairs.

[[Ghost]]

I'm for gay marriage, why should a straight man or women get more rights. Like xDBD said, at the end of the day were all people.

[TroGdoR]

Are you saying that society is unpure because gays exist?



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What a horrible way to interpret my writing. If you read enough of this entire thread, you'd realize that I have nothing against homosexuals. And I said that the people who look to purify society are the same people who run completely secular nations. These people are Hitler, Stalin, and Kim Jong Il. Those are the three nations off the top of my head who became completely secular.
And for everyone else, marriage is a religious institution, so to start preaching about secularism is complete bologna to begin with.

[Obfuscate]

You did mention it see ^
Also how many laws are actually decided based on religion? How many people have protested wtih the Bible in mind against a law? I believe this is the first time.

Just because I site common methods of execution used in more than JUST the Salem Witch trials in no way shows that I specified that period of time as my example. I mentioned the Puritian...culture as a whole. In no way did I single out the Salem Witch Trials. Everyone can go run around THINKING I did but remember the author knows what the author really meant NOT the reader.

Abortion activists? I know there were some groups who tried to site the bible when the country was trying to decide if blacks should be able to vote and during the black rights movement. I know the same goes for when womans rights were being decided. Religon on a whole was under scrutiny when the debate over whether or not evolution should be taught in public schools or should we teach kids a more religous based theory on how we all came about. Now the faith based iniatives that would allow the goverment to fund non-profit religon based organizations.

[victor]

Personally i am against gay and lesbian marriages, not because of religion or anything. Its just that to me its not marriage unless its between a man and a woman

they can be in a joined union thats fine. I think the reason most gays want the marriage act is because of the tax breaks. i dont care if they get the tax breaks or are joined just dont call it marriage

[BlindMansTicket]

Edit: never mind

[DaCougarMech]

Personally i am against gay and lesbian marriages, not because of religion or anything. Its just that to me its not marriage unless its between a man and a woman

they can be in a joined union thats fine. I think the reason most gays want the marriage act is because of the tax breaks. i dont care if they get the tax breaks or are joined just dont call it marriage

!!!!!!!!!WHAT?!!!!!!!!!
gays want marriage for the tax breaks!!!?!?!?!?!?!?
how can you say something like that?????
buddy, you may be right. you may be wrong. but calling all gays taxevaders is too extreme
in history, marriage itself was often used not as a union of love but as a tool of peace. numerous wars between countries were settled with the marriage of roayalty from each side.
now tell me that marriage used as a way to end a war is sacred

[UberGrossMann]

And for everyone else, marriage is a religious institution

you said it yourself, marriage is a religious institution, why does the government have to say that marriage is legal then. Why? Why? Where's the separation between church and state, huh? Yes you preach that our country was founded on christian "values". "All men are created equal" unless of course you were black, non land owning, female etc...up until the 1950's? My point is that things have changed and just because our country was founded on christian "values" doesn't mean that they shouldn't change.

And i love how marriage is a sacred institution unless of course you don't like the person anymore in which you can get a divorce. The US has a 50 percent divorce rate. That's 1 out 2. Tell me something, what is so sacred about that? I guess marriage is a sacred institution about half the time.