Gay rights

[xDBD]

Definitely a mutual feeling, bro

[Aemaeth]

From a religious standpoint, this just doesnt stand.

And if you are an athiest, look at the standpoint that it is much more disease friendly.

So my vote? No.

......Uhm, You know, that aids wasn't just creasted by Homosexuals, And you do know that more Heterosexual people have sexualy transmitted infections, and sexualy transmitted diseases? No party is at a blame here, Disease affects evryone, But your just pinning it on one group....

[Foog]

......Uhm, You know, that aids wasn't just creasted by Homosexuals, And you do know that more Heterosexual people have sexualy transmitted infections, and sexualy transmitted diseases? No party is at a blame here, Disease affects evryone, But your just pinning it on one group....

Duh, scott. That's the stereotype that EVERYONE holds. Ask anyone (as long as THEY'RE not gay) who started AIDS and they'll say homosexuals. It's what we've been taught in school...at least it was what I was taught in school. It's a shame.. No party is singularly to blame but they blame gays anyways.

[xDBD]

Being from where I was(an almost-100% white school), I was taught that the, and I quote this exactly, "******s" started aids. It's shit like that which seriously makes me hate our society and state of the world.

The stars = extremely vulgar and stereotypical way of classifying our darker, african oriented citizens.

I really do hate society and civilization.

[DaCougarMech]

i really hate society and civilization also
i agree that anarchism is the best way of life there is. but like communism, human nature always inevitably takes advantage. i believe that we are in a constant cycle of anarchism and capitalism. we begin with a perfect society of anarchism. however, after a while, people begin to find that if they took some of their neighbor's wheat, they can eat the same amount without having to work as hard. this flaw is widened and perverted as human history goes on. people begin to worry more about how much money they have in the bank than how much food does their neighbor get. the way capitalism works is that it severs human ties with each other. you cant swindle a man you know like a brother. inevitably, some war will break out with weapons that will destroy a majority of the world's population, leaving some people left. these people can start at any step from anarchism to capitalism but the end will always be capitalism.

it is sad to me that people embrace capitalism so much. irregardless of the starving people out there and the mothers on welfare, we still believe that it is the best system in the world

it is said that communism doesnt work. but does capitalism?

[Aemaeth]

Duh, scott. That's the stereotype that EVERYONE holds. Ask anyone (as long as THEY'RE not gay) who started AIDS and they'll say homosexuals. It's what we've been taught in school...at least it was what I was taught in school. It's a shame.. No party is singularly to blame but they blame gays anyways.

Nah, Not everyone, Our schools dont feed us propaganda.

[[/sarcasm]]

My school doesn't teach propaganda either, but the kids do. The kids themselves are not brainwashed by the school, it does a good job staying out of matters like that, but rather the churches. If you ask a good percentage of people I know why they don't like gays, 90% of them will say 'because it's a sin' or 'God doesn't approve' or other bullshit they spit out because they don't really know.

[benbob]

You people have some messed up teachers. My teaches would get fired for crap like that...but then again at my school white kids are in the minority just barely at like 47% white and 51% black. I hate it when people think gays aren't human beings, like they are different from me or you. It's sad. I'm 16 now, and I'm thinking about finding a way into the political arena. Cooking is my first passion, but I think I could do some good for the United States in congress or as President, something like that. -Ben bob

[benbob]

Just thinking about it, on a technicallity, black people did start AIDS when they ate infected monkeys...but it's not they're fault, they just wanted a steak.

[[/sarcasm]]

Benbob, I would love to see your source for that, because to me, that's just a giant rumor that started as a racist joke.

[pyrocrow]

well i could care less as long as gays dont hit on me or anything or as long as i dont have to watch 2 guys making out at the mall or somthing...:blank: chicks dont bother me but im sure most women are the same way guys dont bother them but chicks make them sick

This is what i have to say about your views.

Defensive at the very least, not sexcist, a little too perverted. :mad:

Trust me, gays dont "check out" heterosexual people. they know the difference and there chances just as we do them. The tables kind of turn tho when you say you like chicks being gay. Because if they are gay, they definitly don't like you. I assume you mean bi-sexual women, but still not men. and yes you are still just as bad.

If a gay person wants to marry someone of the same sex, go for it. I think the problem would be finding a christian church to do it for them, if they were hypothetically christian. Because most christian churches are against gay marriages. If the church won't marry them, they won't get there marriage liscense. They will pay higher taxes for not being married and they will be persecuted by the govt. because the church does not approve of their life choice.

Where can you draw the line between church and state.

I could talk about this for days, but if most are like me and dont enjoy reading, im making it brief. :confused:

[SilentWarrior]

~Wow this thread needs to be closed~!

Most of the time it's off topic and if it's not it's a heated argument wich dosen't need to go on because it's argueing someones life values and basic way of life. Gay's have right!

[pyrocrow]

~Wow this thread needs to be closed~!

Ya, i basically just said it all right there. I'm done now, go ahead and close it. Gays should be able to marry. End of story. plz close it now, people are gonna flame me bad. plz

[xDBD]

Ya, i basically just said it all right there. I'm done now, go ahead and close it. Gays should be able to marry. End of story. plz close it now, people are gonna flame me bad. plz

Your views aren't the only ones that matter. If you dig your grave, be ready to get buried. Let people say what they want on your opinion

[Violence]

I don't really care much since it really doesn't effect me. I suppose they should be granted some sort of license seeing as love is love, right?

[neurotiK]

Speaking of Native Americans, running everywhere and growing their own herbs really worked out well for them. I think if we try and practice anarchy that other countries will take their turns grabbing pieces of America. Look at Africa and South America late 19th early 20th century. They had no central government protecting them, and the whole world tore them apart. It's the imperialist nature, and it would occur again.

Another reasone anarchy won't work is because there will always be people who will want to sieze power while we are divided. It also won't work because we have grown up having a government and it would be way too hard for the majority to change.

It will be impractical to attempt to live on what you grow, and what animals you can raise. If you are as concerned about Mother Nature as you say you are you won't use machines to assist in your farming. There will be those farmers who do. Anything you can't make yourself you will be forced to barter for, but all the farmers that use machines will always be able to outbid you for those precious commodities. You also would have to use a bow and arrow, because making metal for bullets and guns is harmful to the earth, but so is chopping down trees to make arrows and houses and such (you are destroying habitats).

Oh and whoever said nonhomosexual people think AIDS originated with homosexuals is wrong, because I'm not gay and I know that it originated when people in Africa ate uncooked monkey brains. That's how it started.

[xDBD]

Speaking of Native Americans, running everywhere and growing their own herbs really worked out well for them. I think if we try and practice anarchy that other countries will take their turns grabbing pieces of America. Look at Africa and South America late 19th early 20th century. They had no central government protecting them, and the whole world tore them apart. It's the imperialist nature, and it would occur again.

Another reasone anarchy won't work is because there will always be people who will want to sieze power while we are divided. It also won't work because we have grown up having a government and it would be way too hard for the majority to change.

It will be impractical to attempt to live on what you grow, and what animals you can raise. If you are as concerned about Mother Nature as you say you are you won't use machines to assist in your farming. There will be those farmers who do. Anything you can't make yourself you will be forced to barter for, but all the farmers that use machines will always be able to outbid you for those precious commodities. You also would have to use a bow and arrow, because making metal for bullets and guns is harmful to the earth, but so is chopping down trees to make arrows and houses and such (you are destroying habitats).

Oh and whoever said nonhomosexual people think AIDS originated with homosexuals is wrong, because I'm not gay and I know that it originated when people in Africa ate uncooked monkey brains. That's how it started.

Ya know, I almost didn't reply to this but I reasoned against it as I can show more of my side of the story.

First off, when I said I was willing to die for the cause, I meant it. If it comes down to a divided nation in war, I will fight and die for the cause.

As humans, we aren't above the ecosystem, and we aren't below it. We're part of it. I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with the occasional use of Fossil Fuels or machinery. Where I draw the line(where I draw the line, not where all Anarchists and Primitivists draw the line) is where you have people who drive many miles a day out of joy in a huge gas guzzling SUV that puts off more pollution than god could create. In this civilization, you're right, it's nearly impossible to totally isolate yourself and live on the land what what she has to offer. What I am against, as I've already said, is the excessive, unnecessary use of non-renuable resources at a staggering rate. I'm against the putting up of dams that leads to the mass deaths of river fish and other organisms.

What am I for? I am, personally, for a less excessive, less taxing way of life that is both fufilling and beneficial to myself and the enviroment.

You took a low blow in that post. Not only did you show your IGNORANCE to the cause of modern Anarchists and Primitivists by calling our cause impractical, you showed your immaturity by trying to win a few points. Our cause may seem "impractical" to everyone else, but to us, it's the only way worth living. I don't have to depend on a grocery store to get me my headache relief or my night's meal. I don't have to depend on a car to get me where I need to go. I damn sure don't have to depend on a crooked government to meet my needs, and I'll never have to depend on anything but what I am willing to do to protect myself and the land we're blessed with.

[neurotiK]

read The Stand by Stephen King. It will show you what anarchy would really be like.

[DaCougarMech]

If a gay person wants to marry someone of the same sex, go for it. I think the problem would be finding a christian church to do it for them, if they were hypothetically christian. Because most christian churches are against gay marriages. If the church won't marry them, they won't get there marriage liscense. They will pay higher taxes for not being married and they will be persecuted by the govt. because the church does not approve of their life choice.

one correction to your statement. GOVERNMENT gives out marriage licenses. not Churches. you can have the biggest, most lavish, most expensive wedding in the history of weddings, but if you dont get a marriage license from the government it will never be officially recognized.

any couple can go out and get a marriage license then come home and get some KFC and still be legally married. most people just marry at churches because many ministers are also legally licensed to marry two people.

so really, right now i dont see why people are looking to religion so much to defend marriage when legally, marriage and the benefits that come with it only come from the state.

[xDBD]

I haven't had my dinner yet, so I did get a little defensive, but I do take great offense when ignorance is used to address my greatest values.

Back when I was a sophomore in Highschool I was VERY close to a book nerd (I use this term extremely lightly, she was a stunningly beautiful girl and extremely smart, she just read in ALL Her spare time), and even dated her at one time. I actually first started our relationship one day in Biology when I realize she was extremely beautiful, and she was reading a Steven King book.. what a coincidence, eh? So we started talking.. eventually dating, and that very book was one I read while being with her. She DEFINITELY led me to be more open minded, and I love her dearly. Sad, she's one of the few who I really dug on a deep emotional level.. she's in California managing a Gymnastics training center. Much love to ya, Linz..

Anyway, the book depicts what COULD happen in a state of Political Anarchy. Could is used lightly also. The book is a book, a great book, but a book none-the-less. It really just demonstrates one view on a two-way street.

MY personal favorite artist on subjects such as this is Derrick Jensen. He's a very comical writer who keeps you entertaqined from the very beginning, but also gets his point across VERY clearly.

In november of this very year, he's going to put out a book called Endgame I: The Collapse of Civilization and the rebirth of Community I had a friend refer me to a lecture based on the contents of this book, and it was great. I will be sure to post it when I can talk to Wes again.