What hit the Pentagon?

[Metalhead Steve]

I don't care what you guys think, I know what I know and what I have drawn in my conclusions from the evidence I myself have seen. Far be me to change your opinion, I know your just going to keep arguing and I am to so there really is no point. You have your views, I have mine. I think what I think because theres to much circumstantial evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what the government happened is true. Theres no REAL physical evidence on any side besides what the government has done and how secretive they are about things. And thats why I see it this way, they haven't given me any great burden of proof to believe what they are saying happened.

[Tap]

I'm going to do research on something I thought of last night and I will be making a thread about it soon. Something that I believe is very plausible but I may be wrong, if I am there will be no thread, but if my hypothesis is correct I believe it should be known.

oh god, i cant wait but hey seriously while your at it can you go ahead and tell us where jimmy Hoffa is buried?

[Metalhead Steve]

No it wasn't about that, and it is posted man. It was just something I thought about last night and I proved it in the thread. It's plainly stated, read it.

[Z3R0]

I don't care what you guys think, I know what I know and what I have drawn in my conclusions from the evidence I myself have seen. Far be me to change your opinion, I know your just going to keep arguing and I am to so there really is no point. You have your views, I have mine. I think what I think because theres to much circumstantial evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what the government happened is true. Theres no REAL physical evidence on any side besides what the government has done and how secretive they are about things. And thats why I see it this way, they haven't given me any great burden of proof to believe what they are saying happened.

You just appluaded and degraded yourself right there. You say that you don't care because you know what you know (about this you apparently know little), and that you have seen the evidence with your own eyes (i.e. on television or other media which has a tendancy to distort the truth and create fables to keep America on its toes). You then continue to say that there is no real evidence. When the president comes on t.v. and states that a missle hit the pentagon, then I will maybe believe it. And another thing, you may not want to know some of the things that the government keeps under wraps, you keep telling yourself you do but you may not.

[Metalhead Steve]

Ok, well I guess the fact that Marvin Bush was the head of security at the WTC until 9/10/01 when he quit doesn't look the least bit suspicious. Dude shut your ****in mouth you retard.

[A.D.]

Its only a matter of time before someone says it was actually UFO's that crashed into the WTC.

[Metalhead Steve]

It was actually UFOs that crashed into the WTC.

[Venom]

funny thing is there was a old russian comic strip in a donald duck comic depicting 2 towers being destroyed ' ill post a pic of it later when i get home

[A.D.]

funny thing is there was a old russian comic strip in a donald duck comic depicting 2 towers being destroyed ' ill post a pic of it later when i get home

Are you insinuating donald duck brought down the WTC? mabye he was flying the UFO's? And Walt Disney did hate jews, and its a well known fact that Gus Reynolds of Bum**** Kansas said there was nothing but jews in the WTC.

Mabye that will be in 'part 3' of loose change?

[Sarcasam]Well, we all know the truth changes alot so we have to keep making revisions to it.[/Sarcasm]

[Arc]

[sarcasm]its all a conspiracy created by walt disney and the disney corp. before walt died, he was plotting to take over the world[/sarcasm]

[Rampage]

what really happened was a giant meteor fell out of the sky, but it exploded at about 5000 feet and a dinosaur came out...the dinosaur then parachuted down to the ground and started to stomp on the pentagon. but then superman and the toothfairy showed up to kill it and get rid of the body before it could do major damage

LMFAO

is all i got to say to this...

[Venom]

Are you insinuating donald duck brought down the WTC? mabye he was flying the UFO's? And Walt Disney did hate jews, and its a well known fact that Gus Reynolds of Bum**** Kansas said there was nothing but jews in the WTC.

Mabye that will be in 'part 3' of loose change?

[Sarcasam]Well, we all know the truth changes alot so we have to keep making revisions to it.[/Sarcasm]

[Sarcasam]indeed , my good sir... indeed [/Sarcasm]

[Tap]

LMFAO

is all i got to say to this...

some things are better left unsaid

[Mozzy]

howdy all,

just read this post and figured i might as well add a little bit to the bonfire. i don't know anything about the pentagon, but one fact about 9/11 cannot be disputed, and that is the existence of NORAD.

for those of you that don't know, NORAD is (was) a state of the art fortress built to withstand a direct nuclear impact. although it was never fully capable of doing so it can defend itself against a near hit. the entire base is set in a colorado mountain and the entire base rests of a spring loaded chassis. (very huge springs btw, hehe)

the point is, since NORAD isn't such a great defense against nuclear weapons as the govt. hoped it would be, it's main function now is to be a command center that the air force uses to track every, EVERY, single moving object in the US's airspace. it is FULLY capable of doing so and does it every second of every day and has been doing so for decades.

also, since the 80's, when airline hijackings became a sort of popularity for terrorists EVERY SINGLE passenger plane in america (and probalby all 1st world countries) have sensors that emit an emergency signal when or if they vear off course, even a little.

there is know ****ing way in the world that NORAD did not know about the planes leaving their projected course and also predicting their new destinations. flying a jumbo jet isn't like driving a car. you pick a route and stick to it. there are several air force bases around the north eastern area of the US that have f-16s on standy that could've been scrambled in less that 5 min! this is standard procedure, nothing more.

if anyone anywhere can dispute this i would love to hear it.

[A.D.]

On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking ******d for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

GG Mozzy.

Edit : Ok seriously, ???? You cant say n-e-w-b-i-e or o-u-t-w-a-r-d???

[Mozzy]

I don't quite see your point, i can't tell what side of the argument you're on.

whoever maj. such and such is i don't know..

why would boeing design a transponder that can be disabled by whoever the **** feels like it? i'm sure this would take more than a flip of a switch to shutoff, at least from the ****pit and would probably require some level of security clearance and codes.

why wouldn't 4 planes with suddenly "missing" transponder signals be a red flag just as much as the terrorist calling NORAD themselves?

!!!ONLY!!! 14 f-16s??? do you have any idea of the capability of those machines? don't let anyone tell you an f-16 can't get somewhere fast enough. turbine engines have no moving parts in the combustion chamber, more fuel and more air will always push these planes faster. the public may be told that f16s can only go mach2 but this is complete posh. they could go mach 20 if the pilots didn't mind their faces disentegrating. the only reason airplanes are limited in speed is because of the time it takes do deccelerate and turn. it's pointless to accelerate to mach50 because it would take the area of texas to slow down enough to land and by then you would have passed your destination.

NORAD decided not to look for these planes in one of the most heavily populated and richest areas in america, and they also decided that the pentagon wasn't worth looking at? does this make any sense to you? if someone called you at work and said your wife's car has gone missing would you call home first to see if she was there or would you call a few states over and see if maybe she was out makign new friends? that doesn't make any sense at all.

norad wasn't prepared to track them...that's total bunk. norad has nothing better to do but track planes.

anyway, i suppose only a few people will ever know the truth.

[A.D.]

why would boeing design a transponder that can be disabled by whoever the **** feels like it? i'm sure this would take more than a flip of a switch to shutoff, at least from the ****pit and would probably require some level of security clearance and codes.

They probably shut them off all the time when docking, and I also know that not every plane has a transponders, they are used so commercial airlines can track their own jets and not for the government.
I'm sure shutting them up brought up some alarm, but there simply wasn't enough time to react when whe realized what a threat they posed. Read the article again, play close attention to the timeframe we are talking about here. Unless there were F-16's parked on top of the WTC they had no chance.

Please don't just make up things to help validate your points, its evident how little you know about NORAD or F-16's, which only go to mach 2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16
You should also check this one out too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupidity][/url]

[Mozzy]

i see what you're saying, the article you posted is very clear. but that is about 2 paragraphs of explanation for a national emergency. i would ask for a longer explanation for a colon cleansing. as maj. such and such would have it, the US is completely impotent to a multiple terrorist highjacking. that statement puts the 3rd world terrorists in a position of total superiorty against our entire country given enough insane bandits willing to die for a cause, educating them how to fly planes, and having enough money. you could complete that recipe 100,000 times in the mid east alone. this is no exaggeration, iran sent an army of 400,000 UNARMED soldiers straight into an iraqi machine gun front and it worked. the iraqis fired until their barrels melted and got overan. the iranians carried nothing but a koran (or whatever holy book they have, hehe) this is a fact and happened in the iran iraq war. this proves that there's plenty of crazy assholes to complete something like this.

now..if maj such and such is correct in his explanation then the next logical step for the terrorists would be to highjack iraqi/israeli commercial jets and crash them into the US army as it stands in iraq this very day. this is obviously not happening, if the terrorists can't even circumvent the mid east air securtiy then how the **** does maj. such and such have the right to dismiss this national crisis as a technological/logistical problem and have everyone swallow that? now this example might not be perfect, because perhaps the terrorist don't want to crash the planes of their close neighbors and cause a world war instead of just war with america. that makes sense but doesn't close any possibilities of using highjacking against the US army on a large scale.

[The Mob]

have the right to dismiss this national crisis as a technological/logistical problem and have everyone swallow that?

katrina proved just how inadequete the government's logistical and technical problems were. they knew that that hurricane was coming and still could not prepare fast enough. 9/11 happened with little to no warning. of course there were logistical problems and such. in fact, on that day, they were doing a mock drill on a terrorist attack.
oh and here is another link on why the towers collapesed

[Mozzy]

could not...or did not