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I don't find War's opinions as irritating as the way he types.
Vauge metaphors, rambling boring sentances. Questionable use of the english language. He'd probably be worshipped like a god if he posted this cramp on some 10-yearold anime forum, but here people see right through the archaic bullshit he types.
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pyrocrow Wrote:Thanks much.
Also, for those of you idiots who think we invaded Iraq for oil, you should slap yourself for being such a retard. We invaded Iraq to save the citizens from the destructive govt. there. If we went for oil, how come the gas prices here keep rising despite what would be endless shipments of cheap oil (since we would control it) and how come the Middle east is the 4th biggest distibuter to the US in terms of oil? Well, since the oil arguements for you don't look good, let's consider what we really went there for,m to save the citizens from the government. Is the govt. out of power? yes, so we did that and nothing with the oil. Shut up, you're retarded.
That may seem off topic, but when I clicked this thread it took me to a page where people were arguing that, so that's why I said this.
USA did invade Iraq for oil. If the U.S. cared so much about other nations and goverments, why didn't they help out in places, such as Rwanda? The "liberation" of those people was a nice cover-up, however the real reason for the interferance was oil. Why do gas prices keep rising? Because U.S. ****ed up. The risk assessment was shit. My brother worked for Jaguar for his summer job (marketing research), and was of course interacting with such issues. What he told me was that what is going on in Iraq right now, is much, much worse than the worst possible case scenario that the U.S. government has assumed. You don't get endless shipments of oil, you get about 10-20% of what was estimated before the invasion.
I actually believe that the country was better off in Saddam's hands. Yes, what the Americans did was all nice, an excellent idea, but there is no way that you can ever win this war, just like Napoleon could never take Spain. Iraq for you is now the same as Palestine for Israel, a fight that they cannot win. If you guys stay in Iraq, you will keep losing soldiers, as you are at the moment, fighting someone else's war, and are not even getting any profits from it. The problem for you is that you are goot at fighting battles, but not guerillas. As you kill 1, 2 more will join the opposition.
T-PaC32 Wrote:dude u need to stop just thinking watever the news says is true my mom is yugoslavian and trust me they were way better then know people in the former yugoslavia like montenegro, bosnia, serbia ,etc get paid so little but prices are the same as in america and somethings more
So what you are trying to say is that Yugoslavians were much better than all the other slavs in the area? Oh you mean prices nowadays? The only people that I knew from the area were the maids in our school in Switzerland, they all seems to swarm over there.
noob_pwner Wrote:Like i said in an earlier post in a different topic. The U.S. gets 75% of everything, and the rest of the world wants it. Thats why the U.S. is hated
Wtf are you saying?
Kryn Wrote:None of you know me thats ok. I have enlisted to fight for the USA, in the USMC. I have alot of pride, and I am very proud to be an american.
Please Take The Time To Read This, I like this man.
I didn't read it all, because many of the ones that I read are common opinions that are not supported by facts. That, my friend, is a piece of propaganda, and you are a fool if you do not take it as such.
I agree with War. Any moron can take orders, any moron can be manipulated. I do not think that the Americans are protecting your homeland by attacking Iraq, I think that exactly the opposite is being achieved at the moment.
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Quote:Originally Posted by noob_pwner
Like i said in an earlier post in a different topic. The U.S. gets 75% of everything, and the rest of the world wants it. Thats why the U.S. is hated
LOL hahah and frater said WTF R U SAYING lool thats funny
i dont care wut happens to da u.s i love this nation because i CAN talk about conspiracy without being taken to jail, i love this nation because we have rights. i love this nation for football and raiders. i wouldnt live anywhere else. i love the ghettos i love the white ppl and black ppl and chinese ppl (im chinese) we ARE the world. everybodys here. and u guys can all hate america while we stand united. =P
lol frater im just starting to like u alot ^_^ ur always RIGHT
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XKazeCloudX Wrote:LOL hahah and frater said WTF R U SAYING lool thats funny
i dont care wut happens to da u.s i love this nation because i CAN talk about conspiracy without being taken to jail, i love this nation because we have rights. i love this nation for football and raiders. i wouldnt live anywhere else. i love the ghettos i love the white ppl and black ppl and chinese ppl (im chinese) we ARE the world. everybodys here. and u guys can all hate america while we stand united. =P
lol frater im just starting to like u alot ^_^ ur always RIGHT
Thanks man
But I'm sure that the other people will probably disagree, so I'm just waiting for the flame to arrive at the moment, lol.
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Quote:you are teh retard, people who are posting in this forum.. half are retarded, and half don't make the point they want to... reallllll quick : My point is that you shouldn't hate me, and if you do, you shouldn't have an opinion, even though I don't hate you for it you stupid peice of shit. I have pride in my country, I love it, have pride in yours if you want.... but don't hate mine.
yeah i agree half of these guys ARENT retard maybe one.
yeah np frater i dont think u even live in the u.s?
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XKazeCloudX Wrote:yeah i agree half of these guys ARENT retard maybe one.
yeah np frater i dont think u even live in the u.s?
No, I don't live in the U.S. (I believe that it says "Tallinn, Estonia" in my profile, lol), but I have lived abroad during significant parts of my life.
In fact, I am in the U.S. at the moment, in Washington D.C. for 2 weeks, going home this weekend.
edit: anyway, this is going OT now.
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wow nice! do u like it here? do u like our walmarts and stuff =] i feel so home here. how may i ask how you feel in the us? and what you think about our society.
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XKazeCloudX Wrote:wow nice! do u like it here? do u like our walmarts and stuff =] i feel so home here. how may i ask how you feel in the us? and what you think about our society.
I pretty much answered a bit in this thread:
http://www.blizzsector.co/steam-room/287...nts-7.html
I have to rewrite my last response, goddamn IE crashed at this accursed hotel.
It's generally fine, it's just that I find the service much, MUCH better in Europe (discluding Northern Europe), and I hate American food, so I am always eating Sushi or such things.
I mean, for ****'s sake. All we get for breakfast in this hotel is some cereals, which I cannot have, as I am lactose intolerant, apart from that, it's all Pain au chocolats, croissants, waffles, cupcakes, such pastry. Personally, I cannot eat sweet stuff in the morning, so I find this unbearable. They ought to provide at least some choice.
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oh im sorry about that frater. but i assure you there isnt much hotels that provide decent food unless you are in a super 5 star hotel. haha. maybe in europe hotels r of more fancyness heh. i am chinese and my parents do not like eating at a english restaurants so i dont know. XD mm...is there mcdonalds in europe? ahahaha
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XKazeCloudX Wrote:oh im sorry about that frater. but i assure you there isnt much hotels that provide decent food unless you are in a super 5 star hotel. haha. maybe in europe hotels r of more fancyness heh. i am chinese and my parents do not like eating at a english restaurants so i dont know. XD mm...
Yeah, I am staying in a hotel that only offers suites, I pay 160 dollars per night and I get crap service and crap food. In Europe, you get amazing conditions for such money,
XKazeCloudX Wrote:is there mcdonalds in europe? ahahaha
Unfortunately, yes.
Anyway, I am not happy at all with my hotel, but besides that I have been having a really good time, so there's no point in continuing to bicker about that. Generally, the people that I have encountered have been very nice and really have made me feel at home.
I dislike American food, but fortunately it's so multicultural that I don't have to eat it.
The other nuisance is that you have to be 21 to drink, etc. It really feels like crap, because having lived in Europe, you get used to social drinking at a younger age. For example, I like drinking wine with certain meals, but have to stick to water in the U.S. It wouldn't really make a huge difference, but I am attending a short course with loads of other people, and I cannot hang out with them in the evenings that much, because they are all much older than me, and I don't get let into pubs, etc. On this course, I am 18, but all the other people are in 30s or in late 20s.
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oh okay nice knowing about you =]
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Wow u guys like to chat back and forth, just xkaze and frator. Theres alot of off- topic posts in this thread.
noob_pwner Wrote:The U.S. gets like 75% of everything. Just think about that, like if it was christmas and there were 4 kids and 1 kid was taking 75% of all the presents, how long do you think that would last? Not very long Thats what i meant earlier, making myself clear so certain idiots in this thread can understand what i am saying...
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noob_pwner Wrote:Wow u guys like to chat back and forth, just xkaze and frator. Theres alot of off- topic posts in this thread.
Thats what i meant earlier, making myself clear so certain idiots in this thread can understand what i am saying...
I thinnk we all know what you meant, but you gave nothing to back it up and without an example it's just you going off and thinking you're right.
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Nothing I say is meant as a flame to you Frater because you are one of the few I respect in a debate since you can actually make an intelligent argument. Though in this case I thought such a response above you. Where are your facts? You provide an example of a situation from a guy who works in a car dealership...not exactly an expert opinion.
FraterPerdurabo Wrote:USA did invade Iraq for oil. If the U.S. cared so much about other nations and goverments, why didn't they help out in places, such as Rwanda? The "liberation" of those people was a nice cover-up, however the real reason for the interferance was oil. Why do gas prices keep rising? Because U.S. ****ed up. The risk assessment was shit. My brother worked for Jaguar for his summer job (marketing research), and was of course interacting with such issues. What he told me was that what is going on in Iraq right now, is much, much worse than the worst possible case scenario that the U.S. government has assumed. You don't get endless shipments of oil, you get about 10-20% of what was estimated before the invasion.
If we really went there for the oil and we were taking such a hit economically from it then Exxon wouldn't have made a record amount of profit last year and Bush wouldn't have called for an investigation into the oil companies accusing some of them of being war profiteers.
Quote:I actually believe that the country was better off in Saddam's hands. Yes, what the Americans did was all nice, an excellent idea, but there is no way that you can ever win this war, just like Napoleon could never take Spain. Iraq for you is now the same as Palestine for Israel, a fight that they cannot win. If you guys stay in Iraq, you will keep losing soldiers, as you are at the moment, fighting someone else's war, and are not even getting any profits from it. The problem for you is that you are goot at fighting battles, but not guerillas. As you kill 1, 2 more will join the opposition.
As far as the country under Saddam's control you had hundreds being murdered constantly and often by Saddam's own hand. Now they have at least some kind of protection against that and when an attack does occur instead people fleeing only to be shot in the back there are people there to counter that fire. Not to mention the police force is finally getting some training and discipline, though they are still very corrupt.
Quote:I didn't read it all, because many of the ones that I read are common opinions that are not supported by facts. That, my friend, is a piece of propaganda, and you are a fool if you do not take it as such.
You kind of contradicted yourself here, you belittle someone for having no facts yet you provided none yourself. You gave all opinion based on what seems to me a less than informed source.
Quote:I agree with War. Any moron can take orders, any moron can be manipulated. I do not think that the Americans are protecting your homeland by attacking Iraq, I think that exactly the opposite is being achieved at the moment.
Our soldiers are not manipulated. People say they fight now because they're in the military and the military tosses them one sided facts to make them think what they're doing is right. Well, we've been there long enough now to where everyone there has had enough time to no re-up if they wanted out and most people there joined AFTER the war started, not to mention there are plenty of volunteer police officers and fire fighters out there lending a hand. They're fighting for what they believe in...any idiot can follow orders, yes, but any idiot can tell a wrong order from a right one too. And if you think Saddam wasn't a threat to the US you are wrong, he was a threat to any living creature on the planet, especially if he was given a chance to launch the Sarin gas they found.
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no.
but world hate usa bcuz they thing they are the best .
nuff said
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if your country was the most powerful country in the world it would think it was the best too, so you cant really say that, it comes with the power.
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The two towers would have still been standing if they would have taken the facts that where given instead of ignoring them. I dont think we are the best, People that have been here for some time might think it but I don't. There are some issues that need to be fixed and then some that don't.
So therfore the goverment believes what it wants too not in what the people have to say until it happens.
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War Wrote:The two towers would have still been standing if they would have taken the facts that where given instead of ignoring them. I dont think we are the best, People that have been here for some time might think it but I don't. There are some issues that need to be fixed and then some that don't.
So therfore the goverment believes what it wants too not in what the people have to say until it happens.
first of all that's written horribly.
Secondly, you listed one example and claimed we had corrupt government. One thing isn't going to make us the worst government in the world. We have a ton of countries beat, but every government has it's problems. The only perfect government is a true democracy, 100% democracy. But since that can't work our government is one of the best in the world. It beats every government in Africa and almost every in Asia, many of Europes, and all of South americas. That's not to say without flaw or that we're number one, which we aren't, but thats how our government is compared to others. We're better than many and beaten by few, but because somethings not perfect doesn't mean hate it.
The only thing I hate about America is people like War and how they think they're always right with their left-wing thoughts of how corrupt our government is. If you don't like it, the government has told you already that you should, and it is your responsibility to change it.
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07-20-2006, 06:36 AM
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War Wrote:The two towers would have still been standing if they would have taken the facts that where given instead of ignoring them. I dont think we are the best, People that have been here for some time might think it but I don't. There are some issues that need to be fixed and then some that don't.
So therfore the goverment believes what it wants too not in what the people have to say until it happens.
Yeah, because we totaly had received an e-mail letting us know exactly when and where they would hit. It wasn't one out of millions of threats or possible attacks that the FBI has to look into on a daily basis. Not at all. [/sarcasm]
I love how your second statement really has nothing to do with the first yet you somehow think the first explains it... You're posts are extremely vague and inspired by nothing but uninformed opinions and piss poor attempts to seem philosophical and deep. Do me a favor and just give up. Pyro is already doing a fine job of ruining you on his own but apparantly you're not getting the picture. YOU'RE LOSING THIS DEBATE, and quite horribly I might add.
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SpoonMan999 Wrote:YOU'RE LOSING THIS DEBATE, and quite horribly I might add.
what debate? all this is, is a hippy crying and intelligent people telling him how stupid he is
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