One thing about Bush that's true

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Good point... actuallly, if you really think about it, Bush didn't do shit to help 9/11 anyway. He just sat around and made speeches. Give me one incident when he actually helped survivors or families. And now he's butchering Social Security. Three trillion dollars of deficit AND COUNTING! :mad:

Beyond the fact that America has HAD a huge debt, only ever seems to come under scrutiny just before or after an election, scine the civil war and the US goverment absorbed all state debts ya its alot of money. Just keep in mind though that the US goverment also has that much out on loan alone to other countries and they have 20 trillion in assests as backing.

On the issue of butchering social security its not entirely his fault. A plan has already been broached that would not only prviatize(SP?) social security but also greatly increase the returns Gen X and later would see. Its called the Ryan Sununu bill that got shot down by the Congressional Budget Office. No not vetoed or spoken against by Bush but shot down by the CBO. Now the propsed plan is to increase the SS tax immensly and HOPE that works, which it won't. So if the Ryan bill doesnt start gaining steam we better all start saving money now because we're going to plum screwed come 65.

Moving on to your first point, I work backwards sorry, I'd like to see documented proof of all times you went out and helped clear debris, load up bodies, put out fires, vaccum up soot and any other myriad of things. Can you? If not then hush about Bush. Do you really think secret service was going to let him leave a fortified base in the hours, days even weeks following 9/11? No. That would be the most absurd thing ever and I would have scorned the hell out the secrete service if they had even considered it, and should have to if it happened.

Now stop getting your panties all in bunch for no reason and try reading the paper, Forbes, watching the news and generally keeping up with the world around you before you go bellowing crap all over the place like its Gods truth. All of you half informed zealots out there need shit down shut up and twiddle your thumbs cause you've got three more wonderful years of Bushism and unless you can convince a senate jury to impeach him he's not going anywhere no matter how unpopular his war efforts may become or how horribly he may devestate social security. So shut up or move to canada and become a socialist.

BTW did you forget that all goverment personal in the twin towers their families were given full death benifits along with 1-2million, which I believe went untaxed too. Sure its a small price for a human life but the goverment did something did they not?