Halo 3 or Orange Box

[Metalhead Steve]

Although that is pretty funny, I think its funnier that you consider Orange Box a better game. What are they giving you the last 3 games they made and one new one?

I consider it a better game because HL is much deeper technically in single-player and multi-player...

The story far surpasses any shred of story Halo has ever delivered IMO. I mean it's not like space marines are original (see Doom). I guess an interdimensional rift isn't exactly "new" so to say either but beyond that it is better.

The idea in HL2 of a grassroots revolution is far more compelling than that of an "arbiter" send out by this "covenant" to do whatever. I find it hard to keep my attention on the story because I find it dry and without ideas. Actually maybe it's just hard to keep my attention on the same tired gameplay.

To be fair they do both have the "you are the only guy who can save the world" story going on in them. So that is a tossup on that section.

Gameplay wise HL2 beats out any Halo game I have ever played. Physics based gameplay is the core of it, it seems like in Halo jumping is the core of it to me. The physics based puzzles are far more fullfilling than a room full of brutes or whatever would be the "hard" or "fun" parts of Halo single-player to Halo fans. The gravity gun implemented in HL2 was original and contributed greatly to the game.

Graphics are a no-go in this competition. HL2 has Halo beat hands down. If you argue this you are blind.

The entertainment value is extremely greater with HL in my opinion. I will never forget first starting HL2 and getting off the train, and before entering City 17 the overwatch guard makes you pick up the can. I thought it was great and it is still a very memorable moment for me.

With HL2OB you are getting HL2 episodes 1 and 2, Portal, and Team Fortress 2. With Halo 3 you get just that... Halo 3. I know there is a mod community at least within Halo 2 but it is extremely small and limited because of hardware. With Half Life 2 you are not only paying for the original games but for ALL of the mods that are already out and that will come out. There are some great HL mods and it is generally one of the best mod communities IMO. So yes I think Orange Box is a better deal than Halo 3 because you are buying not only the game but you are buying stuff that will entertain you for months beyond just the single-player game. If anyone believes they can argue this feel free. I just see no comparison.

[Blue]

I consider it a better game because HL is much deeper technically in single-player and multi-player...

The story far surpasses any shred of story Halo has ever delivered IMO. I mean it's not like space marines are original (see Doom). I guess an interdimensional rift isn't exactly "new" so to say either but beyond that it is better.

The idea in HL2 of a grassroots revolution is far more compelling than that of an "arbiter" send out by this "covenant" to do whatever. I find it hard to keep my attention on the story because I find it dry and without ideas. Actually maybe it's just hard to keep my attention on the same tired gameplay.

To be fair they do both have the "you are the only guy who can save the world" story going on in them. So that is a tossup on that section.

Gameplay wise HL2 beats out any Halo game I have ever played. Physics based gameplay is the core of it, it seems like in Halo jumping is the core of it to me. The physics based puzzles are far more fullfilling than a room full of brutes or whatever would be the "hard" or "fun" parts of Halo single-player to Halo fans. The gravity gun implemented in HL2 was original and contributed greatly to the game.

Graphics are a no-go in this competition. HL2 has Halo beat hands down. If you argue this you are blind.

The entertainment value is extremely greater with HL in my opinion. I will never forget first starting HL2 and getting off the train, and before entering City 17 the overwatch guard makes you pick up the can. I thought it was great and it is still a very memorable moment for me.

With HL2OB you are getting HL2 episodes 1 and 2, Portal, and Team Fortress 2. With Halo 3 you get just that... Halo 3. I know there is a mod community at least within Halo 2 but it is extremely small and limited because of hardware. With Half Life 2 you are not only paying for the original games but for ALL of the mods that are already out and that will come out. There are some great HL mods and it is generally one of the best mod communities IMO. So yes I think Orange Box is a better deal than Halo 3 because you are buying not only the game but you are buying stuff that will entertain you for months beyond just the single-player game. If anyone believes they can argue this feel free. I just see no comparison.

Thats a first, you actually quoted me before you started the argument. If you think Halo's storyline is dry, then you never paid enough attention to it.

I've never played HL2 so I really can't put up a good argument nor should I try. But what about the possibilities. Considering Halo 3 is a FPS and HL2 is like a mix of that and an RPG (from looks) I'd say Halo 3 has a lot more options. Now thats why I said considering the types. And if I am right on the type of game they are, then theres no reason why you should try comparing the games, then it just goes from what style you like best.

Let me just say this, putting a storyline in a strict FPS is hardwork. And I bet Halo 3 beats HL2 AI any day. Working so long on an AI thats probably going to only last about 5 seconds deserves some props. And they did that for every character.

Then you talk about graphics, of course the graphics are going to be lower considering everything else they have on the screen, just too much action. But if you look at the pictures you can take and the movies, it just blows you away. And the cinematics are just breathtaking.

Then there is the multiplayer experence that no game is ever going to beat. So if you like HL2 multiplayer (if it has one lol) then its plain to see that you like HL2 better period, no matter what Halo 3 had.

Also, I'm sorry if some of my accusations of HL2 is incorrect, but you included me in on this, and I felt I had to fight back.

[Metalhead Steve]

At least you tried. I'll inform you a bit. Half-Life 2 isn't told through cinematics, but by people you talk to along the way. They tell you whats happening with other characters and you see what is going on and thats how you get the story. You don't have to stay and listen to characters talk if you don't want because every decision is your own.

Half-Life is a straight FPS. There aren't any RPG elements within it, it is an action/puzzle game. The physics play a big role in this game. Physics are used when killing enemies and doing puzzles. Alot of the puzzles in HL2 are physics based opening the game up to a massive amount of possibilities.

The graphics engine is from 2004 and it is what games look like now. Next generation hardware has been utilized since the beginning, and games are just catching up to its graphical quality. The idea that everything is interactive only contributes to the graphical factor. I don't know how much is pre-rendered in Halo 3 but in HL2 everything is rendered in real time.

I just thought I would correct you on a few misconceptions. I really reccomend you try it if you like shooters because it will be one of your favorites. Same with Counterstrike.

[fleaflickerx]

I'd say orange box over halo 3, halo 3 gold real old real fast...A much better game is CoD 4 check it out.

[Blue]

I'd say orange box over halo 3, halo 3 gold real old real fast...A much better game is CoD 4 check it out.

Yes it did get gold real fast, Halo 3 is a great game.

It sounds interesting, I'm not too sure about the puzzle part, but I'll look into it. It would be after Christmas or after I get a job when I got money to blow. Otherwise I'm looking at Ninja Gaiden II and/or Guitar Hero III right now. But Ninja might not come out for a year.

[tigeroip]

I don't even see the point of arguing which is better HL2 or Halo. If you played the whole series and many mods starting from HL or at least one of the mods or 1 series, then you can blindly assume that there is no game which beats HL2.

[Blue]

I don't even see the point of arguing which is better HL2 or Halo. If you played the whole series and many mods starting from HL or at least one of the mods or 1 series, then you can blindly assume that there is no game which beats HL2.

And that right there is too one sided with no arguments, meh, I'll just keep playing Halo 3's multiplayer with limitless amounts of fun while you guys do the same stuff over and over again. At least till my friend lets me try out his computers version of HL2, but until then, I'm in no rush.

[Dan]

You both are so incredibly biased its funny to read. I've played HL2 a bit, and its fun, but I never got into it. I've played and beat both Halo and Halo 2, but come on, comparing a PC game to a console game is so hard, computer games have much greater expandability, but console games tend to have better graphics. HL2 has amazing, truly stunning graphics for when it was created, and they are still right up at the top in my book, while Halo 2 was "average" for a console, which is better then the "average" PC game. and blue, the AI in HL2 is better then any AI I have ever seen. With map creators for HL2, and an easy to mod platform (PC's) HL2 offers more expandability, but if we focus on just the game without custom maps or mods, they both have the same re playability. Halo has a very large X-box following on x-box live, while HL2 has a very large online following on the PC. They are two different demographs, sure some play both, but usually tend to stick to the type of FPS they wanna play, PC or console. I prefer console FPS's myself. When Halo came out, the X-box was just coming out, it was the "next gen" console with the best graphics by far at the time it came out, PS2 caught back up with polished programming capabilities (see God of War) but when Halo came out, it was a very sharp looking game, that was incredibly polished. No patches like PC games, and very few bugs, which can be rare on a console game. The story line wasn't Pulitzer prize worthy, but it was very solid for a console FPS. All in all, both games are strong for their intended market, and their intended platform. What one you like better depends on your budget, sure a xbox 360 is $400, but how much do you need to spend on a computer to play HL2 at max settings when it first came out? You had to pay a shit load. Some people prefer console FPS's, like me, and some prefer PC FPS's. There, I'm done.

Maybe not, Metal, if you are going to try and critique something, you need to TRY and explain it. Your post was horrible,

The idea in HL2 of a grassroots revolution is far more compelling than that of an "arbiter" send out by this "covenant" to do whatever. I find it hard to keep my attention on the story because I find it dry and without ideas. Actually maybe it's just hard to keep my attention on the same tired game play.

You are biasing people by not even explaining the Halo story, and just makes it look like you have no idea what it is, so how can you judge something you do not know? It may hurt, but expand your views if you truly want to make a poll.

[Blue]

Meh I agree Dan, but I was explaining it from my point of view.

[Aemaeth]

hl2 hands down, it's just deeper all together.
Mod possibilities are nearly endless, portal and Garrys mod shows this.
Youtube some videos from Garrys mod.
i'm too lazy to link.

[Blue]

hl2 hands down, it's just deeper all together.
Mod possibilities are nearly endless, portal and Garrys mod shows this.
Youtube some videos from Garrys mod.
i'm too lazy to link.

Of course it's going to be deeper, its a computer game. You can do way more stuff with a computer. It's like someone mentioning that map system, you got a lot more controls to work with to make something like that. You have to try and put a whole keyboard into a single controller for system FPS'. It's crazy.

[slashbomb]

Prob Orange Box = 5 games for $50, best deal ever. And the storyline and gameplay is probably more in depth then halo.

of course, halo 3 is probably fit for the online experience and if u dont like it, theres always cod4 :-)

[Metalhead Steve]

Well, I have never found it possible to keep my attention focused on Halo Dan, that was my point. I beat the first one and found the story quite boring. I find the "Flood" a very boring main enemy for the game and most of the "Covenant" are boring to fight as well. The idea that the whole game is just run through with next to no puzzles also makes it boring.

Both games are available on PC and on consoles so yes it is quite possible to compare the two.

[Dan]

PC version of Halo is a port, so you really can't compare it to HL2 on PC. You all seem to forget an issue I mentioned, when HL2 came out, it was a top end game, you needed a very nice computer to run it maxed out. How much would you spend for that? Alot more then you would for the original Xbox when Halo came out, or for the 360 when Halo 3 came out.

I don't even know why I am still posting here, both games are very good, but it depends on your gaming preference, PC or console, and as I said I prefer console FPS. We all like what we want, and it is no ones place to force a change on you, you can list facts and opinions like I have, and Metal has, and Blue has, to make the people more informed, but if you already believe one is better, it is unlikely someone arguing on a forum will change your mind. I like what I like, and you like what you like. Who's right? Who's to say?

[Blue]

Well, I have never found it possible to keep my attention focused on Halo Dan, that was my point. I beat the first one and found the story quite boring. I find the "Flood" a very boring main enemy for the game and most of the "Covenant" are boring to fight as well. The idea that the whole game is just run through with next to no puzzles also makes it boring.

Both games are available on PC and on consoles so yes it is quite possible to compare the two.

Exactly, you played the first game. You know how repetitious that was? If you play the third one you'll get a bigger bang for your buck.

Now, I may not have played HL2, but at least I'm not saying its extremely bad. I'm just saying I'm pretty sure Halo 3 is better.

[Aemaeth]

And we are saying hl2 is better.

[Blue]

And we are saying hl2 is better.

Which is idiotic. Its more believable that Pamela is bigger than you.

[Aemaeth]

Which is idiotic. Its more believable that Pamela is bigger than you.

You are doing exactly the same thing we are doing.
Which is more idiotic?

[Dan]

Which is idiotic. Its more believable that Pamela is bigger than you.

She is in certain areas

[Blue]

She is in certain areas

I was going to find a comeback for Aemaeth saying that I was talking about it being idiotic that HL2 being better in the first place, but I dropped it all when I heard this cause its too funny,
You're right, she has bigger "balls" than him. devilish: