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DaCougarMech Wrote:wait, so you are saying that all muslims are like saddam hussein and his children?
I was saying muslims as in, dont believe in god asshat
Pamela Wrote:Bluebleeder,you as well as anyone else is entitled to your opinion. I think however you miss certain points and I tend to beleive your are not knowledgeable on Gay people,and are simply intollerant thru ignorance.
Many Gay people I have known in my life struggled for years against their own desires.Listening to fools such as yourself condemn them for that which they can not control. Do not EVEN try to drag the Bible or Religion into any response you may have to this post. You will find dear sir I will be able to quote Biblical circles around you! I know my Bible,I know my Faith,I know my God,and I also know my own heart and mind.
Try this one..."Judge NOT,lest ye BE judged"
Now try THAT shoe on and wear it!
It is NOT YOUR place in this life or any
other to tell people how to live.
When you become GOD,and are the judge of MY life...be sure to send me out a memo...in triplicate,notarized and on file in the Library of Heaven.
Until then I strongly suggest you spew your misguided nonsense to someone that actually gives a damn about your opinion. Opinions are like assholes my friend,everyone has one and they all stink.
why is everyone think im condeming them? I just said i strongly appose them. Alrgiht Pam drag a bible verse that says God is happy with gay people. Judge me all you want, you guys are pulling stuff outta yer ass and putting it in my mouth.
mob-you found my verse i'm happy with that. How ever the bible that written long ago was not the new american bible. A place to clense us, if i remember when jesus died he went to hell, but he repented(thought god left him) and he went to heaven. Or something like this. Because he took all our sins and he died with them. That'd be the same, he prayd for them or whatever and they then went to heaven. When they prayed, jesus saved them. The fire you're talking about is the holy spirit. Not purgatory.
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muslims do believe in god. just not yours
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bluebleeder Wrote:mob-you found my verse i'm happy with that. How ever the bible that written long ago was not the new american bible. A place to clense us, if i remember when jesus died he went to hell, but he repented(thought god left him) and he went to heaven. Or something like this. Because he took all our sins and he died with them. That'd be the same, he prayd for them or whatever and they then went to heaven. When they prayed, jesus saved them. The fire you're talking about is the holy spirit. Not purgatory.
uh... I'm pretty sure you're not quite right. "Old" bible, "new-American" bible, its the same thing. They're based on the same events and tellings of the people that wrote the books in the bible, its just that the newer versions just have it phrased differently because its easier to comprehend. Also, if by "old," you mean only the old testament, you aren't really refering to christians because i can't remember but a different religious group only believes in the old testament, just like how jews only believe in the first 3 or 5 books in the old testament.
I would also like to point out that he didn't actually repent... he sorta just rose from hell... and the part about where he took our sins... its more like he died for us and went to hell, so that we wouldn't have to goto hell for our sins.
And another thing, where is this fire in the bible? I don't believe I've read about it or heard about it. Jog my memory anyone?
I would also like to note that muslims and christians are sorta similar. I mean, in my point of view, they both worshipped God, but they just couldn't accept the fact that the other sect believed that their prophet/messiah was the real messiah/prophet. Just something to think about.
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09-04-2006, 03:49 AM
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like i said, when the holy spirit descended on them, it was in the shape of fire. God poses himself manyways as fire in the bible, namely the burning bush.
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bluebleeder Wrote:like i said, when the fire descended on them, it was in the shape of fire. God poses himself manyways as fire in the bible, namely the burning bush.
the amount of ignorance you posess about your "own religion," is quite simply amazing. the amount of prejudice you hold against people who don't believe the same of you is just absurd
but i'm sure in your own little world you'll be in heaven right?
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bluebleeder Wrote:like i said, when the fire descended on them, it was in the shape of fire. God poses himself manyways as fire in the bible, namely the burning bush.
Be more specific. Fire in the bible from where? I know the burning of the bush is from when Moses ran away because he killed an Egyptian in what, Genesis or Exodus, but where is the fire?
Also, God doesn't have to pose as fire. I think fire is just meant to symbolize respect or comfort or something, as he also appears as a bird, although the type of bird elludes me at the moment. (refering to when Jesus got baptized)
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the fire he is talking about is the tongues of fire from the holy spirit when it decended onto the disciples. i think
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it is, i did a spelling error, the holy spirit was the shape of fire. How am i ignorant? Because you were taught some jacked up thing and you cant back it after i took a stab at it. I believe in the one true god. Anyone who goes to a christian church or reads a bible is taught that. Also i say christian as it could be catholic or any other of the specifics.
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This thread is supposed to be about gay marriages...I strongly think religion has little to do with them getting married.And no God does not approve,this is evidenced in the destruction of Sodum and Gahmora.*Hence the modern term
Sodomy.* My whole point if anyone listens,is the fact that it is up to them to choose.
How they believe in God,how they live,what they make of their lives is not up to anyone else but them.I am for the marriage part only because I love people,and these people...let us read this again PEOPLE....deserve respect and the same benefits as anybody else.It is for God to judge them after death....it is my job to love them...this is also a commandment that Jesus left us with.It seems you need to read a bit more of your Bible sir.
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yeah it is up to god to judge them, but im trying to get them to a bit closer to going to heaven in case if they are gay they will not go. Dont tell me that being will hardly change the fact if they are going to heaven. Cause we do no know. How ever if it changes drasticly wether they go to heavan or hell, im trying to tell them to stop being gay.
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09-05-2006, 03:36 AM
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You miss the point so very well. I salute your utter obtuseness.Please sir..never aim yourself at a brick wall...it would be bad. Injury may occure,and we are not certain of your age and insurance benefits.Do you need your parents to sign the form?
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I have no issue with gay people or them getting married. I mean I understand both sides. Gay side, marriage is the union of two people who love each other and wish to spend the rest of their days with each other. And the otherside I understand that they believe that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. It's a subject that will probably never be resolved because it's just an opinionated subject like, which is better, Ford or Chevy. Both sides have pros and cons, but one isns't better than the other.
Now, back on track, I have no real issue with gay people, but the one thing and this is not just the gays but also the straights. We need to limit or lower the amount of PDA (public display of affaction) because, I hate walking to my car, or through the mall or just a walk through the park, and then having the sight of two people (man/woman, man/woman) just having a grope fest. Now, I'm not saying you can't kiss or hug or you know french, but limit how far you two are taking it.
My two cents worth.
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Pamela Wrote:You miss the point so very well. I salute your utter obtuseness.Please sir..never aim yourself at a brick wall...it would be bad. Injury may occure,and we are not certain of your age and insurance benefits.Do you need your parents to sign the form?
can you be anymore immature, it seems today younger people are acting alot more mature. I did not miss any point, Gay mariage is wrong. You know it.
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bluebleeder Wrote:can you be anymore immature, it seems today younger people are acting alot more mature. I did not miss any point, Gay mariage is wrong. You know it.
I concur. It is merely your opinion whether or not gay marriage is wrong. Your opinion won't affect another person's opinion about something unless you're very persuasive and/or a person with force to back up your words.
However, as I stated in my previous statement, my status on gays: no no. I mean, even if there wasn't God, how is it possible that gays are... well, an ok thing? It not only defies moral values from a religious group, but I also think it defied evolutionary values. If gays and lesbians was meant to be, then how come its impossible for males to mate with other males, or females mate with other females? (I mean the baby-making process, not sex)
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love is not always about sex. that's why.
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Red_Brilliance Wrote:Well I feel inclined to go biblical on this: I won't get into specifics but, Jesus said love everybody (including gay people cause like it or not gay people ARE people). But it Also says gay sex is wrong, that may not seem linked but you should be waiting to have sex till AFTER marriage (with the person you're married to I feel inclined to say). So that means they're getting married to do something wrong; Therefore, in closing, I like gay people, but aren't fine with the aspect of gay marriage.
Agreed, except I went undecided. Cause with time all things change otherwise we would still be burning witches at the stake or maybe lynching criminals publically. Time changes everything into more exceptance so it may just be a matter of time.
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bluebleeder Wrote:can you be anymore immature, it seems today younger people are acting alot more mature. I did not miss any point, Gay mariage is wrong. You know it.
Acting being the key phrase here. Try being mature,and then I might give a rats ass about your opinion on this particular subject.
You seem reasonably knowledgable on many things. But here?....you and I have come to an impasse.
You have no hope of changing my opinion.
I respect your opinion,but it is yours and not mine.
So let us just agree to disagree.
I can not change a set mind,and it is not my place to do so.
As for maturity,you can lecture me on it after you have raised 3 kids and worked too many jobs to even count.
I will be waiting until then.
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Pamela Wrote:Acting being the key phrase here. Try being mature,and then I might give a rats ass about your opinion on this particular subject.
You seem reasonably knowledgable on many things. But here?....you and I have come to an impasse.
You have no hope of changing my opinion.
I respect your opinion,but it is yours and not mine.
So let us just agree to disagree.
I can not change a set mind,and it is not my place to do so.
As for maturity,you can lecture me on it after you have raised 3 kids and worked too many jobs to even count.
I will be waiting until then.
Wow after that last post you just completely changed my opinion on you. however as i disagree i still say gay mariage is wrong. And as for upbringing. I have to baby sit a child that is spoiled. Plain selfish. However i do it. And althou i dislike it a couple of times i have to change her sisters diaper. Even at the end of the day i have to deal with my brothers (person who i baby sit for) drunken behavior. Last time i babysitted i came home with a bloody mouth that hurt for days. Also try living in a house that only 1 person is directly related to you, and the only sister you have at the house is a half-sister your dad got at the current mariage. And then having to deal with your step brothers overactiveness(theres a special term, but i cant think of it. Your step sisters laziness which hogs the computer, and your step mothers habbit of treaty you harder cause your not her kid and i am more mature than her kids.
And whats the deal with getting warned for giving advice? However i wanted the warning so i wont go agaisnt, but i still say its bull
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I dont think any religion supports gay marraige come to think of it.
Some of the people that are gay are nice but I just cant handle it. I respect others decisions but when it comes to this matter I will (almost) always respect the straight person more than the gay person. Cougar yes you can love someone without being sexual but thats what differentiates an intimate relationship from a friendship.
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bigdeath Wrote:I dont think any religion supports gay marraige come to think of it.
Some of the people that are gay are nice but I just cant handle it. I respect others decisions but when it comes to this matter I will (almost) always respect the straight person more than the gay person. Cougar yes you can love someone without being sexual but thats what differentiates an intimate relationship from a friendship.
well agreed
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